Some edits:

• "Bastion" is a codename that moves as the capital shifts. This needed made clear at the top.
• Is "Sartinaynian" canon for the planet's original name?
• Since the capital of Braxant sector only acqures the name "Bastion" some time between 7 ABY and 19 ABY, I doubt that KotOR-era Bastion environmental armor can have anything to do with this planet.

Any thoughts --McEwok 01:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• I'm positive "Sartinaynian" is canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 16:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

• "I'm positive" is not canon proof. Quite possibly proof does exist, but you have to provide it.
• Also, I'm not convinced by the seperation into two articles: most of the info under Bastion (code name) still has to be reduplicated, and I'd strongly advocate a merge: I think it's much clearer if we deal with the early Bastions first, then the one in Braxant Sector. --McEwok 01:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

when was bastion mentoined in kotor 1?72.230.40.84 01:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• I think that's a reference to Bastion environmental armor, which I doubt has anything to do with the planet, since the name originates thousands of years later. The reference should have been tidied up after my earlier edit—thanks for clearing that up! --McEwok 01:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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      • McEwok, this article is NOT about the planets code-named Bastion. This is above the planet that became officially known as Bastion. I'm reverting your edits. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Plus, you said it yourself, McEwok, in your edits: "[This Bastion] is this planet which is the subject of this entry". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the proof about the name, Razzy1319. However, Nebulax, you seem to have misunderstood the reasons for my edit. The article as I edited it is still entirely about to Bastion/Sartinaynian. I added information relating to exactly what denotes Bastion as the Imperial capital because it's relevant to this planet, especially because the article goes on to mention the archives and their role in the plot of the Hand of Thrawn duology. Yes, that leads to a duplication of information between the two articles, and that in turn is a large part of the reason why I believe the two articles would be best served by a merge, but that's a seperate, secondary issue. I'm reverting back, and editing to incorporate the info on the planet's original name.

• Is there anywhere we can discuss/vote on the issue of whether to merge or not? Thanks! --McEwok 12:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• McEwok, there wasn't a need for all that information on the code-named Bastions now that we have a separate article (that is linked in this article, might I add) on the planets code-named Bastion. I don't think that either of us want to start an edit war. Let's discuss here, not on the article itself. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Reverting again. The substantial differences are: a clearer statement of the timeframe in which Bastion served as capital, and a statement of what's based on Bastion due to its status as capital (Moff Council, archives, civil and military administration). Both of these should be included in this article, whether or not it's merged with Bastion (code name). I also reorganized the text to place at reference to the planet's role as Braxant Sector capital at the top, and move the HoT plot role down, and added some minor factual tweaks on the relationship with Muunilinst. Someone else also removed the superfulous KotOR reference.
• You have not provided any opinion or argument to support your edit and subsequent reverts to it: you simply removed information when you created Bastion (code name). If other people think that that seperate page is needed, I'll go along with the majority decision, but the information you removed also belongs, emphatically, in this page. That's why I put it in --McEwok 11:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• No, it does not. Why? Because this is about the planet that became officially known as Bastion, not all the other Bastions! This is my opinion. McEwok, this is the place to discuss it, not the article. And if you revert it again, I will inform the administrators. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Jack, we can repeat information between articles. A short discussion of the history of the code name would be useful, with a link to the other article. Additionally, unless Sartinaynian is actually mentioned in KOTOR, that should be removed from the appearances section. It's almost certainly just a reference to an unrelated type of body armour, as McEwok says. —Silly Dan _(talk) 20:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I know we can repeat information, but that doesn't mean we have the whole article on the Bastion code name in here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Fair enough, but if he wants to put some of his original wording and explanations back, I'm not going to consider him to be in the wrong. —Silly Dan _(talk) 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
        • It depends on what he wants to put back in. McEwok, please post what you want to change here first. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Okay. What I want to post is what Nebulax just reverted from: this. I already outlined the differences between this and Nebulax's version in my previous comments just up the page. But if he wants me to repeat myself:

1.) The only absolute factual additions are the statement that the code-name Bastion originated "after the loss of Coruscant to the New Republic", and the expansion of the phrase "administrative headquarters" to "the state archives, the civil administration, and Bastion Military Control". The first of these seems like a useful clarification for less well-informed readers, the second is relevant inasmuch as these facilities come to be based permanently on Sartinaynian—something I reworded my last edit to make clearer—and the state archives feature as a plot-point in HoT2. I also revised the phrasing of the section on the relationship with Muunilinst, correcting it against the canon source, namely G&tOR.

2.) Most of the rest of the difference is rearrangement for clarity. Most obviously, I moved the basic information to the first paragraph - Sartinaynian as capital of the Braxant Sector, Bastion as capital of Imperial space between the end of the GCW and the Sith-Imperial War. I also thrust the HoT2 plot information down the page. I think this makes better sense as a structure for the presentation of the information.

• I'll note that Nebulax's latest edits have actually made his version of the page somewhat more like mine, dropping a reference to Braxant in the first paragraph and bringing up further details on the sector to the second paragraph. I don't know if this means he has actually read my earlier outline of the difference between our pages ("I also reorganized the text to place at reference to the planet's role as Braxant Sector capital at the top") or if he's not actually paying attention to what he's reverting, and making independent modifications to his text that happen to parallel mine. Either way, his version is IMHO clumsier—he basically repeats himself between the first two paragraphs. And in other sections, he clearly isn't paying close attention to the versions he's reverting from, or to the discussion on the talk page: he removed the corrected info on the relationship with the Muuns, and rescinded the deletion of the KotOR reference.
• All in all, I see no reason for Nebulax's reversions from my latest edit. Looking at the page now, I might make one edit inspired by something in Nebulax's version, namely place something on the secrecy of the capital's location higher in the article, probably in the second paragraph: but I'd dissociate this from the direct mention of the HoT plot detail, which doesn't actually make Bastion's location that widely known outside core characters and high-level New Republic personnel. --McEwok 12:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Makes sense to me. Go for it. —Silly Dan _(talk) 13:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• You sure? Okay... taking that as admin authority, I've reverted and edited here. --McEwok 17:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• And now, I'm going to combine both versions. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

PopulationEdit

How can 94% human and 1% other species add up to 100% of a planets inhabitants? ~ Awar 15:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC)