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Moving of starfighters

Does anyone know how the starfighters in Hangar 7 were moved to the south slope for evacuation? It is clear that Luke is only about to get in his ship for the first time when he reaches the south slope in the movie... did the hangar crew fly the fighters to the evacuation zone after they had been prepared? There seems to be no access between Hangar 7 and the transport hangar, so flying them over the top of the mountain appears to be the only option. --Skarloey 17:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

  • The R2 units? lalala_la
    • That makes sense to me. I don't see how else they would have done it. Any ground personnel would either be evacuating or fighting.--Thorvindr 16:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

all snowspeeders?

In ESB wasn't there a few landed speeders that didn't get killed? In the scene when the transports took off.

Probably. Only 12 were lost. --Bjmp11 20:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit History

This is the edit history for the content on this article before it was manually moved back to Battle of Hoth.

  1. (cur) (last) 11:46, 19 Aug 2005 Sikon (#redirect Battle of Hoth)
  2. (cur) (last) 01:07, 11 Aug 2005 KFan II
  3. (cur) (last) 01:06, 11 Aug 2005 KFan II
  4. (cur) (last) 01:06, 11 Aug 2005 KFan II
  5. (cur) (last) 21:12, 10 Aug 2005 Davin Rayce (added info box fix link)
  6. (cur) (last) 01:57, 8 Aug 2005 KFan II
  7. (cur) (last) 19:30, 22 Jun 2005 Riffsyphon1024 (Hoth 2)
  8. (cur) (last) 15:12, 18 Jun 2005 SOCL
  9. (cur) (last) 15:10, 18 Jun 2005 SOCL
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This is the edit history for the content on this article before it was moved from Battle of Hoth to Battle of Hoth (Galactic Civil War).

  1. cur) (last) 07:15, 17 Jun 2005 Fade m
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  3. (cur) (last) 17:29, 11 Jun 2005 Silly Dan m (datelink)
  4. (cur) (last) 09:11, 9 Jun 2005 Vostok (→Rogue Squadron - Added Dak and put Janson in correct assignment)
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  7. (cur) (last) 19:43, 5 Jun 2005 Riffsyphon1024 (→Behind the Scenes - Battlefront)
  8. (cur) (last) 16:43, 5 Jun 2005 SparqMan m (minor fixes)
  9. (cur) (last) 14:35, 5 Jun 2005 SparqMan (Added some details, DeOOU, chrono, 2 images)
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  11. (cur) (last) 10:33, 4 Jun 2005 VT-16 (Added the Victory-class destroyer and additional probe droids (info from a WEG factbook, I think))
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  13. (cur) (last) 20:20, 2 Jun 2005 Riffsyphon1024 (added image)
  14. (cur) (last) 07:50, 13 May 2005 SparqMan (added "Battle of Hoth" extlink)
  15. (cur) (last) 21:13, 6 May 2005 Riffsyphon1024 (separating links to Super Star Destroyer and Executor)
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  19. (cur) (last) 09:04, 16 Mar 2005 Cbarbry (copied from Wikipedia; needs some editing)


Some comments on the Rogues listed:

  1. Some of this is not written "in universe", as it mentions the "Inside the Worlds of..." book
  2. Jaras Starfire is from fan fiction. His inclusion in an earlier version of my Rogue roster from the SWFA has caused him to show up here on occasion. My roster has since been corrected. I've removed him from this page.
  3. While it's possible that Tarn Mison was in a speeder, I wouldn't say it's "probable". There's no real indication he is, since many non-Rogues flew escort fighters.
  4. Kasan Moor leaving the squadron and working for Alliance Command is actually from the blog of one of the RS game's designers, Ryan Kaufman. But these were his thoughts on what happened. There's no canonical fiction source for this.

I went on a bit there, but I follow the Rogues pretty closely! :) --JMM 18:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Lego Star Wars

Are we to take this as canon?

In it we have Han and the Falcon leading attack runs on 4 Star Destroyers that had surrounded 2 Nebulon-B Frigates and half-a-dozen Transports, with fighters in tow.

Just a note, and there's nothing particularly anti-canon there.


    • Hi depends on the game, in this case no because we saw the falcons immediate escape in ESB Jedi Dude 15:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd have to say LEGO Star Wars is a non-canon video game. In it, Luke and Leia battle an AT-AT on Endor, JarJar does something meaningful, and Obi-Wan Kenobi is made of LEGOs. I think most other video games can be considered canon, as they hardly ever conflict with other canonical data sources.--Thorvindr 16:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to say lego star wars isn't canon theres to man things completly difrent

  • Well, LEGO Star Wars is generally non-canon, but I don't think everything is non-canon. 17:10, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

A-wings & B-wings

What is the source for there being A-wings and B-wings at the battle? Just curious. I know of X-wings and Y-wings as escorts, but never heard of A's and B's. --JMM 18:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah, and what's with the LAAT's? - lalala_la
    • It's possible that A-wings were there chronologicially speaking, but I've never seen a source for it in any of the games, movies, or books I've read. The likelihood of B-wings being there is even less. LAATs would only have appeared in Battlefront or Battlefront II, I think. Anyway, I'll place a "disputed" tag on the page, as I am curious too. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Audience Chamber) 06:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Apparently there was an LAAT at the Battle of Endor - lalala_la
      • Battlefront is notorious for going against canon for sake of gameplay... I think a more reliable video game source, at least for this battle, is the Rogue Squadron series. And, if I remember right, they only have X-Wings as escorts. Y-wings were probably too, as they are so durable. As and Bs don't make any sense, though. I guess we should just get rid of it. Totema 05:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Maybe the A-wings were R-22 Spearheads. Adamwankenobi 05:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
          • The problem is, there's no source for even regular A-wings, or at least no source given here. --JMM 17:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • So let's delete it then. I can't think of any reason why there would be A-wings or B-wings at the Battle of Hoth. (Sirius Shadowflame 23:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC))

MTV-7s and CAP-2s

I know these are some Kenner mini-rig toys. Is there any source for them being present besides the toy packages? --JMM 18:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Isn't one an alternate name for the laser cannon or the E-Web? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

McQuarrie's image

While it's very good, it portrays a non-canon scenario. I think it should be gone. Before I get rid of it, what do you think? Totema 04:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I sorta agree. The shape of the snowspeeders is different thus making it noncanon as concept. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
    • That, and the snowtroopers' armor. Totema 04:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, it's been published, so it's canon. Whether or not the differences are merely artistic license or actual variants on what we see in the film hasn't been determined. jSarek 05:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
        • That doesn't change the fact that it's concept art. It would be more suitable under the Behind the Scenes section, at least. Totema 03:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Concept art, on more than one occasion, has become "real" when used in in-universe sources such as The Illustrated Star Wars Universe, which is where this picture is from; compare habitation sphere, Victory I-class Star Destroyer, or Quockran. jSarek 04:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Okay, I just looked through the ISWU and didn't find this image, so it's apparently mislabeled. Since it's NOT in that book, unless it's in some *other* in-universe source, disregard what I've said. jSarek 04:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
              • It's not in ISWU, but it's in BTM. That means it's been published, and thus it's canonical. --Bender235 13:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Maybe so, but for now there is no true source saying that those airspeeder prototypes (or whatever you would call them) were present in the Battle of Hoth, or that snowtroopers wore that form of armor. It would still be more suitable in the Behind the Scenes section, as I previously stated. Totema JaingHead Comlink Frequency 00:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
              • I agree it should be taken off there. It's not a terrible loss if its missing and it's not text we're talking about. It's a nice picture, but it's too different from the film. It's not a vital part of this article and can easily be replaced by more accurate artwork. --JMM 19:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Rebel Soldiers

I read somewhere (perhaps in behind the magic) that the actors posing as rebel soldiers during the battle of hoth where in reality canadian soldiers. if somebody could confrim this with a source where it was from, i guess it would be a nice point for the behind the scences part...

nope, red cross skiers from norway.

  • I love your signatures. Also, there were actors mixed in with the Norwegians (assuming that's really what they were). Included among them were John Ratzenberg (Cliff Claven, Cheers) and Treat Williams (Dr. Andy Brown, Everwood).--Thorvindr 16:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

In behind the magic, it says this along with the fact it was shot in norway. In fact, for it, Lucas made a donation to the red cross.ruusan 04:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Mentioned only?

Should the Appearances include places where the battle was "mentioned only"? The battle is mentioned in many, many places in all media. It seems like that list could get much too long. If those mentions are to be included, then the list should be much longer.--JMM 18:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

New Rebel Base

Where did they go? The Aftermath section should mention where the Rebel transports went after the battle. I personally have no idea, and would like to. I imagine they would have scattered initially, but what was the next primary Alliance base?--Thorvindr 16:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

  • If I remember correctly, there was no primary Alliance base. The rebels were scattered around the galaxy until they reunited at Sullust to attack Endor, unless my memory serves me badly. Unit 8311 08:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Immediately after the battle, most of the fleet stayed mobile. The bases we saw after that were in the Marvel series. First, there was a very brief appearance of a base on Golrath, which they quickly abandoned. The next major base was on Arbra. The 'pedia has a great article about the planet, and then one about the actual base: Haven Base. They were there for a good chunk of the post-TESB Marvel stories. --JMM 12:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Bear in mind that the Marvel is sometimes a bit contradictory to Shadows of the Empire. Unit 8311 16:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Not as much as some people think. There's plenty of room for most of those Marvel issues AND Shadows between the two films. And Arbra has been referenced in many other recent EU sources, so it's definitely canon. --JMM 16:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think they had a base where the leader ship stayed at and resistance hide outs on most planets they probably met at so empty space spot

Galaxies appearance

Earlier this year, it was revealed that the Battle of Hoth was going to make an appearance in Star Wars Galaxies at some point during 2008. This deserves a mention here. -- 15:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Dificult to see, always in motion is the future. When it does happen, if it does, then it will be added into apperances. - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 15:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • It is mentioned here on the official Galaxies site, and concept art for it is also shown. As this is an official site, I think this makes it deserve inclusion in the article -- 15:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

All Humans?

The Rebel Alliance was composed of many races, so what's a canonical explanation for why in the only Rebel soldiers, technicians, strategists, etc shown in the film before the battle in the base and during the battle are Humans?

-Alkaig ok why is because humans are more trusted and there fore have more rights then aliens

There is K-3PO, a robot as a strategist, and there might have been a sullistan in there. I guess they just weren't that many non-humans around. Plus, it'd be awkward to make so many alien costumes when there wasn't that much need to. And, it's harder to empathize with aliens, at least, not rubber mask ones (Not so good with CGI back then). The Bothans, Sullistans, Mon Calimari etc, were probably somewhere closer to home. -JimmytheJ 21:20, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

the empires strategy

I don't see why the empires didn't send like 5 tie bombers to take out the powers plants that would have been so much quicker - unknown user.

Well, they couldn't because of the deflector shield, it was too powerful and could only be destroyed by AT-AT since they 'walked' in to penetrate it, also the angle of the shield caused a problem for any bombardments. However I would like to know how powerful the shied would have been if the 2nd Death Star was already semi-built, and if its super laser could blow off the energy shield. What I also found interesting is why Lord Vader didn't order a legion of Ties to wait in the atmosphere, so that any rebels flying out would be bombarded or shot down in the stratosphere. The ion cannons couldn't possibly recharge so quickly to aim at 'tiny' legions of Ties.

Too many tactical flaws in this one, one could also argue why the Alliance didn't improve on the adjustment rotation of the ion-cannons to aim at the squadron of AT-ATs. - Jack.

not to mention the question of why they didn't bring along any Interdictors; yeah, they were pretty rare before Hoth but if anyone could grab one, it would be Darth Vader.

Dewback Troopers

Do these really have to be included in the participants? The only source is Galactic Battlegrounds, which does not take into account the terrain and climate, both of which are incompatible for dewbacks.

Leave them, GB is cannon, think of them wearing jackets...Nolanstar (talk)nolanstar

Main image

Where is it? Xd 18:59, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Hoth (0 BBY)

Apparently, there was a Rebel base on Hoth in 0 BBY which only appeared in an old computer game. I'll mark the Battle of Hoth (0 BBY) as non-canon.--Darth Dumbo 21:27, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • Fortunately, you're not the one who decides what is and isn't canon. Your edit to the other Battle of Hoth article has been reverted, since there is nothing to suggest the subject's content isn't canon, despite the obvious contradictions. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rogue Squadron roster?

I know long ago there was a roster of Rogue Squadron pilots/gunners, and it was removed. The Battle of Yavin article includes a pilot list, and now thanks to The Essential Guide to Warfare, we have a full roster of pilots and gunners. Is there a reason to NOT include it? --JMM 14:48, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

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