Talk:Breha Organa
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[edit] Queen?
I've been think about this, and are we sure that Breha was Queen of Alderaan at the time? Bail said he had to inform the Queen on the Tantive IV. Could he have meant the Queen of Naboo? They were on Naboo, delivering Amidala's body for burial. And since House Organa was the ruling family, it's confusing that the consort of the Royal Heir was one rank up above the Heir Apparent. -- SFH 22:39, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Hello out there. Can I get an answer? Anyone? -- SFH 00:24, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- We know Breha was queen because that's what she was actually in the ROTS script -"Breha" is her EU name. QuentinGeorge 00:05, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- But in regards to that scene, I think they are referring to Apailana. QuentinGeorge 00:07, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- The ROTS novelization heavily suggests that Bail in fact meant Breha when he talked about the queen. After all, he had just discussed Leia's adoption with Yoda & Obi-Wan and propably wanted to tell his wife asap. But I guess it isn't impossible that in the movie he was referring to Apailana instead. --Tinwe 14:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
- Not that I'm trying to beat a dead horse here or anything, I just thought I'd point out to anyone who might be interested that the ROTS novel not only "heavily suggests" that the Queen in question is Breha, but explicitly states that it is her. Just something I noticed when I was re-reading it a while ago. --Tinwe 15:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Death?
OK, this has to be a FAQ somewhere. Did Queen Breha die when Leia was very young or not? She certainly isn't mentioned in any EU sources I can think of, but I can't recall her death being explicitly mentioned either. It's got to be in the NEC or a Leland Chee post on the official site or something. — Silly Dan 23:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- VIP blog posts agree that Leia is referring to Padme in ROTJ, because of the simple reason that Luke emphasises "real mother", and Leia knows who he means. (ie, Leia didn't believe Breha was her birth mother). QuentinGeorge 06:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
In Marvel 53, Leia is thinking about what Bail was doing when the Death Star arrived: "It was night in our palace--were you awake or asleep, with mother..or alone?" So she was most likely still alive in 0 BBY. Nesis Vod 03:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Right. Sorry for the reverts. QuentinGeorge 10:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Leia was referring to the mother she thought was her 'real mother', she was raised by another motherly figure after Breha's death, which by the way, is alluded to in news concerning the upcoming live-action TV series. Gethralkin 12:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fanon
When will the fanon elements from this entry be removed? It has never been officially published that Breha is the sister of Raymus Antilles and certainly not that she is the daughter of Bail Antilles. If nobody changes this, then I will soon. --Sompeetalay 08:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed them, but in future, you know there's nothing stopping you doing it. QuentinGeorge 03:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know but I prefer just to le you guys concur --Sompeetalay 16:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Something that's bothering me....
In Return of the Jedi, Leia says that she has only a few blurry memories of her mother. There's no way she could have meant Padme, so she must have meant Breha. Why doesn't the article note this? -- Lordofmonsterisland "Roar to me" 19:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sigh...this has been discussed ad nauseum. Use your imagination, bro. Is it so outrageous to consider that perhaps she was able to recall memories of her original mother due to her natural inclination to the Force, even as a newborn? I don't think so. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- According to StarWars.com's Q&A section: "The reference is indeed to Padmé, Leia's biological mother. That Leia was adopted was presumably public knowledge in the Star Wars galaxy -- or at least not a secret. Luke knew about it enough to qualify his question with the word "real."" -- Ozzel 00:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to that source? Gethralkin 13:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- It happens all the time that a surrogate or adoptive mother dies and the father remarries without ever telling the child of their previous adoption. Breha is in the hole that Lucas has not yet filled with the live-action series, and there are already indications that she died while Leia "was still very young". Occam's razor: Leia thinks she remembers Breha as her real mother, and Luke specifies 'real' to differentiate from a subsequent wife of Bail. This is speculation, of course, but so is trying to fixate on Leia remembering Padme, which is far more complicated to explain. Add this to the fact that the Breha page alludes to Leia remembering Breha as her 'mother'. Gethralkin 13:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- StarWars.com did a huge revamp a few months ago, and a lot of the content that used to be available there has vanished as a result. However, I do remember the feature in question, and the answer above sounds about right. jSarek 13:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- After scouring the StarWars.com site, all I have found is speculation, and no official word from George Lucas. The closest I could find to the 'she remembered Padme' reasoning being almost official was posted by an employee of Lucasfilm, but even he stated that it had not been approved by Lucas, that there may be another explanation. With how hushed Lucas is about the time period between Episode III and Episode IV, it isn't surprising that George hasn't given legitimacy to the remembering theories either way. Gethralkin 21:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Lucas himseld has said (reportedly, I haven't seen the source myself) in Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays that he wanted one of the Skywalker twins to remember their mother, so I would say that's a pretty strong argument in Padmé's favor. Btw, the exact same answer to the "was Leia remembering Padmé or someone else" question was also given in some number of Star Wars Insider—unfortunately I can't say which one, since I don't have mine at hand right now. --Tinwe 16:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Again, need the source. Gethralkin 04:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- The one I had posted previously was, like I said, from Q&A feature that was on StarWars.com at the time but has since been removed. It was most likely written by Pablo Hidalgo. -- Ozzel 04:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Removed says a lot. Could have changed. Lucas changed a lot of information with the prequels that caused quite a bit to be tossed out. Could be the same going on with the live action show. That's why we need a valid source. Gethralkin 05:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- It was removed because the whole site was gutted, and only select pieces have since been restored. It's poor website management, nothing more. George Lucas has nothing to do with this. Besides, this was post-ROTS. If you're saying something has changed, then the burden of proof lies on you. -- Ozzel 02:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- The explanation that Leia was not likely remembering her biological mother was put forward by The Art of Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by Marc Cotta Vaz (valid source). It explains how Leia replies that her memories are only vague and that her mother died when she was very young. It is possible that Leia was not referring to her birth mother, Padmé Amidala, but to Queen Organa herself, as Padmé died in childbirth, as seen in Revenge of the Sith. Since Luke stressed in Return of the Jedi that he was asking about Leia's real mother, it would mean either that Leia's early remembrances were of Queen Organa and that the Queen died long before the destruction of Alderaan, or that the memory is simply false (I personally do not believe that the memory was false...just of Breha instead of Padmé). Gethralkin 04:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- It was removed because the whole site was gutted, and only select pieces have since been restored. It's poor website management, nothing more. George Lucas has nothing to do with this. Besides, this was post-ROTS. If you're saying something has changed, then the burden of proof lies on you. -- Ozzel 02:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Removed says a lot. Could have changed. Lucas changed a lot of information with the prequels that caused quite a bit to be tossed out. Could be the same going on with the live action show. That's why we need a valid source. Gethralkin 05:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- The one I had posted previously was, like I said, from Q&A feature that was on StarWars.com at the time but has since been removed. It was most likely written by Pablo Hidalgo. -- Ozzel 04:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Again, need the source. Gethralkin 04:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Lucas himseld has said (reportedly, I haven't seen the source myself) in Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays that he wanted one of the Skywalker twins to remember their mother, so I would say that's a pretty strong argument in Padmé's favor. Btw, the exact same answer to the "was Leia remembering Padmé or someone else" question was also given in some number of Star Wars Insider—unfortunately I can't say which one, since I don't have mine at hand right now. --Tinwe 16:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- After scouring the StarWars.com site, all I have found is speculation, and no official word from George Lucas. The closest I could find to the 'she remembered Padme' reasoning being almost official was posted by an employee of Lucasfilm, but even he stated that it had not been approved by Lucas, that there may be another explanation. With how hushed Lucas is about the time period between Episode III and Episode IV, it isn't surprising that George hasn't given legitimacy to the remembering theories either way. Gethralkin 21:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- StarWars.com did a huge revamp a few months ago, and a lot of the content that used to be available there has vanished as a result. However, I do remember the feature in question, and the answer above sounds about right. jSarek 13:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- It happens all the time that a surrogate or adoptive mother dies and the father remarries without ever telling the child of their previous adoption. Breha is in the hole that Lucas has not yet filled with the live-action series, and there are already indications that she died while Leia "was still very young". Occam's razor: Leia thinks she remembers Breha as her real mother, and Luke specifies 'real' to differentiate from a subsequent wife of Bail. This is speculation, of course, but so is trying to fixate on Leia remembering Padme, which is far more complicated to explain. Add this to the fact that the Breha page alludes to Leia remembering Breha as her 'mother'. Gethralkin 13:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to that source? Gethralkin 13:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- According to StarWars.com's Q&A section: "The reference is indeed to Padmé, Leia's biological mother. That Leia was adopted was presumably public knowledge in the Star Wars galaxy -- or at least not a secret. Luke knew about it enough to qualify his question with the word "real."" -- Ozzel 00:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
