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ConfusionEdit
I would just like to point out that there is a slight contradiction within this page. As I am an avid Star Wars fan, I would like to know the canon of certain events and subjects, however, I have noticed that the term "deleted scenes" are found in the G-Canon and N/Non-Canon sections, which is rather confusing. If a kind soul could straighten this out, I would greatly appreciate it as I doubt I am qualified to edit such an unstable and hotly debated page. —Unsigned comment by 218.186.13.250 (talk • contribs).
Move the Infinities Logo? Edit
I find it slightly confusing to have the Infinties logo on the top of a page about canon. Maybe we should move it. 69.88.211.46 15:14, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
Who fogged up the window? Edit
This article contains a quote from Chris Cerasi using the analogy of a "foggy window" into the Star Wars universe. A couple paragraphs later, the article text contains the phrase "Sansweet's 'foggy window'". Sansweet's name is mentioned nowhere else in the article (in fact, his first name is never mentioned) so it is unclear (dare I say "foggy"?) what his connection is to the "foggy window" analogy. Did he in fact invent it, and Cerasi was just referring to Sansweet's concept in his quote? Or is this an attribution error, in one case or the other? (Interestingly, a source is given for almost every quote in this article except the Cerasi one -- which is the longest quote in this article.) Asithol 10:24, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Absent any clarification, I've tagged the Cerasi quote as unsourced and removed Sansweet's name. Asithol 00:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
George Lucas Edit
George Lucas said the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married so should we deem the Emperor's clone and Mara Jade as Non-Canon?KitFisto19BBY 21:19, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
- George Lucas has said a lot of things, and not always the same things. I think Leland Chee says it best: "The only relevant official continuities are the current versions of the films alone, and the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron. You're never going to know what George's view of the universe beyond the films at any given time because it is constantly evolving." Wookieepedia adheres to the inclusive continuity indicated in the second view, where the clone of the Emperor and Mara Jade Skywalker are both quite canon. jSarek 20:55, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
- So Darth Maul surviving is non-canon?;)KitFisto19BBY 21:00, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Did it happen in "the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron"? Since the Clone Wars cartoon is in the Holocron, then yes, it's canon. jSarek 08:51, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Darth Maul's survival is canon as introduced by Dark Horse comics. George Lucas has chosen to acknowledge that insertion of EU lore into his own TCW continuity. This is much the same as when he accepted into film canon the name of the Galactic Republic capital planet as Coruscant, a name invented by Timothy Zahn for the EU Thrawn trilogy. GethralkinHyperwave 05:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
- The only Dark Horse comic in which the original Darth Maul (not the clone/doppelganger/whatever of "Resurrection") appeared was Star Wars: Visionaries, in a story acknowledged as non-canon by Lucasfilm. It wasn't until the Savage Opress storyline that we were given any hint that Maul was indeed alive, and there is no evidence Lucas based that decision on the non-canon Visonaries story. (There is also no evidence that the Visonairies story is now canon; Maul's final fate may yet be met in the TV series.) jSarek 06:45, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, I forgot that Resurrection was Infinities, I guess because the return of Maul has been promoted so much for TCW. Thanks for the clarification, JSarek. In any case, Kit, the answer to your question is that there are degrees of canonicity, and that is what the Canon article discusses if you will but read it carefully. The films are G-canon. The cloned Emperor and Mara Jade story arcs are C-canon, and Darth Maul surviving is T-canon now that it is presented in TCW—although, as JSsarek so kindly pointed out, the details may not be the same and the post-EI comics about Maul will likely continue to be N-canon. You can be a film purist if you like, but trying to mold this wiki to that philosophy by changing articles and arguing over canonicity will only get you banned. GethralkinHyperwave 15:21, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if he says a lot of things the point still stands that his statements are still considered canon and he does have the final say. You have to look at what his most recent decisions is because as we all know he changes his mind alot. I mean just look at all the special editions. Leeland Chee explained this on the old Starwars.com forums.DarthJon
- Ah, I forgot that Resurrection was Infinities, I guess because the return of Maul has been promoted so much for TCW. Thanks for the clarification, JSarek. In any case, Kit, the answer to your question is that there are degrees of canonicity, and that is what the Canon article discusses if you will but read it carefully. The films are G-canon. The cloned Emperor and Mara Jade story arcs are C-canon, and Darth Maul surviving is T-canon now that it is presented in TCW—although, as JSsarek so kindly pointed out, the details may not be the same and the post-EI comics about Maul will likely continue to be N-canon. You can be a film purist if you like, but trying to mold this wiki to that philosophy by changing articles and arguing over canonicity will only get you banned. GethralkinHyperwave 15:21, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- The only Dark Horse comic in which the original Darth Maul (not the clone/doppelganger/whatever of "Resurrection") appeared was Star Wars: Visionaries, in a story acknowledged as non-canon by Lucasfilm. It wasn't until the Savage Opress storyline that we were given any hint that Maul was indeed alive, and there is no evidence Lucas based that decision on the non-canon Visonaries story. (There is also no evidence that the Visonairies story is now canon; Maul's final fate may yet be met in the TV series.) jSarek 06:45, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Darth Maul's survival is canon as introduced by Dark Horse comics. George Lucas has chosen to acknowledge that insertion of EU lore into his own TCW continuity. This is much the same as when he accepted into film canon the name of the Galactic Republic capital planet as Coruscant, a name invented by Timothy Zahn for the EU Thrawn trilogy. GethralkinHyperwave 05:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Did it happen in "the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron"? Since the Clone Wars cartoon is in the Holocron, then yes, it's canon. jSarek 08:51, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
- So Darth Maul surviving is non-canon?;)KitFisto19BBY 21:00, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
S-Level Canon Edit
About how old does something need to be to be considered S-Level Canon? --Mgrozo 22:01, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
I think those released before the Prequel Trilogy. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 22:58, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
Two questions Edit
"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon"
Reference Books & other sources... Which ones & where can I find those, please? And also, are the deleted scenes of Episodes IV-VI G-Canon? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 22:57, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, for example, Rothana was included in Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross-Sections after Lucas mentioned it to one of the creators. Keep in mind we're discussing elements here, not entire works; so while Rothana (and anything else from Lucas) would be G-canon, the rest of the book wouldn't be. As for the deleted scenes, when asked "Are deleted scenes considered G-level," Leland Chee answered "Yes, unless they conflict with something else seen in the films or if the reasoning behind deleting the scene keeps it from being continuity." In 2011, he changed his tune a bit, saying that "Potentially yes, but not always, unless its specifically reinserted into the film like Jabba in ANH and the extended Podracer scenes in the TPM DVD." jSarek (talk) 07:01, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
Star Wars: Clone Wars Edit
In the article "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" is mentioned being one of the only two television show to be included in T-canon, but what about "Star Wars: Clone Wars"?
--85.24.183.8 01:56, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Alexander
- From what I can tell, the original Clone Wars TV series is C-canon. 98.209.237.240 20:02, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the Sequel Trilogy Edit
How do we define G-canon after the Disney sale? Since Lucas is no loner the head of the company, do we still accept his final say on the matter? For example, would we accept any more "Stewjon's" or "Conan Motti's," as being canon? Doctor Kermit(Complain.) 04:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
- It's hard to tell. On the one hand we have the G-canon Empire Strikes Back, which Lucas wrote the story and payed for, but otherwise had the least amount of involvement in amongst the films. But on the other hand we have the C-canon Caravan of Courage, for which Lucas also wrote the story and payed for, but also personally took part in directing scenes and was on set for much of the time. Adamwankenobi (talk) 15:28, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
What seems likely given recent comments about VII, VIII, IX completely disregarding the EU is that almost all of C level canon is about to get demoted to S level. This happened to Star Trek in the late 1980s. 71.57.88.173 03:56, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
