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Info[]

New Databank info: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderthire/?id=eu

Move?[]

Move to Clone shock trooper? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:14, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

ROTJ appearance?[]

In the SE of ROTJ, there's several stormtroopers being attacked on Coruscant (one being "bodysurfed", and several others in the same crowd being beaten by an angry crowd). They seemed to wear the standard b&w armor, instead of the partially crimson shock trooper armor or the fully red armor of the Coruscant Guard. What military unit did they belong to? VT-16 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Images.[]

Paleontologist.piczo, please don't upload duplicate images and then replace them in articles. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Images redux[]

The image here attributed to Cmdr. Thire shows him in armor similar to the regular troops -shouldn't it be replaced with an image of him in his kama and pauldron?Tocneppil 20:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

True Clones[]

It is stated that these clones were born and raised on Coruscant, how is that possible? The Republic did not use Spaarti Cylinders, and yet these clones were produced in under 2 years?? Ciphe 01:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Link to Commander Fox's Coruscant Guard?[]

Is there any connection between Commander Fox's Coruscant Guard and Commander Thire's shocktoopers?--Shadowxander 09:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Based on Thire's rank of lieutenant in Ambush and the markings on him and his two troopers, it looks like the shock troopers are the troops of the Coruscant Guard. My guess is that Fox gets killed later on and Thire is promoted to take his place. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 15:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  • The shock troops appear to be both enforcers and personal troops to Palpatine. They even wear different color insignias. There's also the bit about the shock troops evolving into the Coruscant Guard, yet the Guard is established early in the war and the shock troops are shown at the end. I guess one unit evolved from the other, while both worked simultanously and the Guard got new armor in the Empire. VT-16 15:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    • But in Ambush, Lt. Thire and his two troops bear the symbol of the Coruscant Guard. I suppose the shock troops could be formed later on in the war, and Thire is transfered, but it makes more sense if the shock troops and Coruscant Guard were the same. Both units have the same duty, to defend Coruscant and the senators (and important Jedi, apparently). Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 15:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Actually, isn't the shock troops meant to be Palpatine's private army, like the 501st is with Anakin/Vader? VT-16 18:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
        • I don't think so. The shock troops/Coruscant Guard is more like Coruscant's private army. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 18:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
          • If the old info is still valid, and the Coruscant Guard are formed from the shock troops, then they're a subsection of them. Also, the profile says this "One of the most elite rankings of the clone troopers developed for the Clone Wars, the shock troopers served as Palpatine's personal guards on Coruscant and during off-world trips." So some shock troops become the police force Coruscant Guard, while some get the red armor and become Palpatine's personal guard army, as seen in ROTS. VT-16 18:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
            • I could argue that the quote you provided was simply based off the info shown in ROTS, and restate that Thire wears the armor of a Coruscant Guard trooper, but seeing as I'm meeting a lot more opposition that I thought I would, I'll just concede. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 18:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
              • My only contention is that there's a difference between the shock troopers and the Guard, as stated in the shock trooper profile. One came from the other, and the first served as Palpatine's private guard force. VT-16 21:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
              • photo bucket dot com )/albums/a242/CptK/shocktrooperevolution.jpg A chronological proposal. VT-16 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
                • Sorry, but I'm still finding this a bit confusing. It looks like to me that the Coruscant Guard and the Shock Troopers were present in 22BBY (by comparing the different armor between Rys and the image of the Coruscant Guard clone trooper in the article), then the two divisions were for some reason merged into shock troopers only, then became the Imperial Coruscant Guard. Of course this is only speculation, but the Databank says on Thire's page that "The shock troopers eventually became the basis of the Coruscant Guard, elite stormtroopers tasked with providing security on the Imperial capital", and the shock troopers were in Episode III, so that's the only thing that makes sense to me :S. Grand Moff Tranner, I can see what you mean about it being possible that Thire was part of the Coruscant Guard, and the Databank entry for Thire in his Clone Wars section never calls him a shock trooper, as well as the introduction only referring to his division as "red-marked soldiers", but I just find it strange that the naming goes: Coruscant Guard --> Shock Troopers --> Coruscant Guard (although I guess that there are shadowtroopers, shadow troopers and shadow stormtroopers, so this could be more than possible). Hopefully something in the near future will clear this up :) NighthawkLeader 06:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
                  • How can Clone shock troopers with Phase II armour be the predecessors of Coruscant Guard troopers with Phase I armour. Assuming that they can't travel through time. PaleoJazzDo Clones Dream of Electric Mynocks? 10:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
                  • I agree with Nighthawk there are many "Shadow Troopers" so the possibility of the Coruscant Guard and the Shock Troopers exist together isn't remote.--Te Shukalaryc Mand'alorJaingHead 23:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

article merging[]

i'm still a newbie at using and editing wiki articles, but i really think that the "Clone shock trooper" and the "Coruscant Guard" articles should be merged together into one single article.

after reading countless sources, i can deduce with certainty that the [canon] is that the "Clone shock-trooper(s)" (the proper name for them) were the predecessors of the "New Order/Empire"-era "Coruscant Guards". HOWEVER, keep in mind that at the beginning of the Clone Wars (ie. the [First] Battle of Geonosis), ALL the clone-troopers wore the 'standard-issue' white armor, and the colors denoted rank (since there was really no need, at that moment, for "specialized training in countless things". You need ground troops, and you need pilots. Period. After the war kept going on and on and more and more battle arenas and situations kept arising, the Republic realized they needed specialized troops that could handle various of the varied terrains and environments, so they started training troops in underwater combat (ie. the Clone SCUBA-troopers. which personally?, i think are better than the Empire's sea-troopers. AND they have better equipment and armor. a modified blaster-speargun hybrid, when the Republic already figured out how to make a blaster-rifle that can fire blaster-bolts underwater? COME ON!!!)

such is the case with the "Clone shock-troopers". They were a unit of clone-troopers, trained in (and because of this, specialized in) acting as "policemen" on Coruscant (or at the very least, what would be, in OUR real-life, policemen). The Clone-Wars "3D animation (i don't know what else to call it)"-TV-series is showing you the "Phase 1"-armor of these guys, and then later Episode 3 shows you the "Phase 2"-armor of these guys. Understand now?

  • I've been working on the Coruscant Security Force article and in the process did research on the shock troopers as well. Here is what I've concluded and I think it makes the best sense: shock trooper is to clone trooper as GAR is to Coruscant Guard. In other words, the shock troopers were specialized soldiers whose purpose was to provide a military and security presence on Coruscant. However the the organization or division/unit they were assigned to was the Coruscant Guard. The Grand Army of the Republic and the clone trooper articles are two different articles because one is about the troopers themselves, the other is the organization they worked under. Same thing here. And Coruscant Guard is a canon established name for the organization at the beginning of the Clone Wars. Here is the link for that. Hopefully that clears this issue up for you. Coruscantfan 19:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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