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How could the First Corellian Crisis cause a schism between the New Jedi Order and the other Corellian Jedi? Were there any Corellian Jedi other than Corran Horn at the time? -- SFH 23:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
OR Marriage with Corellian Jedi
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- I've removed this because, regardless of what I, Jedi claims, there's no indication that Corellian Jedi are under any governing regime than the main Jedi Council. Since Nejaa's marriage was a secret, like Skywalker's, there's no indication that Corellian Jedi were treated any differently from other human Jedi. Consider I, Jedi to have been overwritten with later information. QuentinGeorge 00:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any reason to remove that information just because Nejaa's marriage was in secret. There are other ways to interpret it that don't throw out one or the other: Corellian Jedi once were more liberal with the marriage law and it gradually fell out; Corellian Jedi were less likely to get expelled for having a relationship; it was an open secret (just as Anakin's was) within the Order; etc. Kuralyov 00:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- My main beef is that there was any difference between Corellians and run-of-the-mill Jedi here. We have no example of a Jedi being expelled for being married/or a father of a child. Look at Ranik Solusar - he had a kid, the Council knew, Ranik was reprimanded and that was that. Looks like Corellians weren't treated any differently in that matter. QuentinGeorge 00:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any reason to remove that information just because Nejaa's marriage was in secret. There are other ways to interpret it that don't throw out one or the other: Corellian Jedi once were more liberal with the marriage law and it gradually fell out; Corellian Jedi were less likely to get expelled for having a relationship; it was an open secret (just as Anakin's was) within the Order; etc. Kuralyov 00:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- And the Corellians were very centered in family. And as current events prove, Corellians tend to get a little testy when some tells them what to do. Also, Keiran Halcyon was the great-great-grandfather of Corran Horn and the grandfather of Nejaa Halcyon. Are you saying that they come from a long line of illegitimates? -- SFH 00:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Plo Koon came from a jedi family too. Are you implying to Kel Dors were given exemption? What about Adi Gallia's family? Ranik Solusar was married, and reprimanded for doing so. I imagine a similar thing happened to Keiran. Furthermore, I don't really think Anakin was likely to be expelled for being so - going by the Solusar example, he likely would have been issued a formal reprimand, and that would be that. Anakin was just paranoid. QuentinGeorge 00:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- "All Jedi hailing from the Corellian Sector earned a reputation for intransigence, and maintaining their own local traditions and often defying the Jedi Council's edict that discouraged marriage and familial bonds."
- ―Corran Horn's entry in The New Essential Guide to Characters
- I'd say that that definitely means the mention of their family habits should be put back in. Kuralyov 00:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not debating that the Corellian Jedi liked being married. I'm debating whether or not they were granted exemptions differently to other Jedi. There's no evidence they were. QuentinGeorge 00:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say that that definitely means the mention of their family habits should be put back in. Kuralyov 00:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Just in case it's gone lost in the ensuing discussion, my point was this: There's no indication that Corellian Jedi are under any governing regime other than the main Jedi Council. QuentinGeorge 00:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- The NEGTC quote states that they maintained their traditions despite opposition to the Council; I think that's pretty clear. And NEGTC came after TPM, so it's not like it was unaware of the new prequel Jedi traditions when it wrote that. And just because the Corellian Jedi did it doesn't mean they needed their own council to tell them they could; it could just as easily have been a group consensus or some other informal thing. Kuralyov 01:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, but that sentence is far too vague to support your contention there. If anything, the fact that they had a reputation for intransigence supports my point, that the Council ultimately had authority. I'm not debating that they "maintained traditions" in defiance of the Council. I'm arguing against the idea that they were granted any special dispensation. The fact that their traditions are said to be in "defiance" of the Council, clearly indicates they weren't. QuentinGeorge 01:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless, if everyone's happy with what's there now, it suits me fine. QuentinGeorge 01:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that the council allowed them to raise families, I'm saying that they did it anyways. Kuralyov 01:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that was my whole argument. I guess we agree then. The first phrasing of that sentence was problematic to me, since it implied they weren't under the control of the Council. QuentinGeorge 01:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that the council allowed them to raise families, I'm saying that they did it anyways. Kuralyov 01:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- The NEGTC quote states that they maintained their traditions despite opposition to the Council; I think that's pretty clear. And NEGTC came after TPM, so it's not like it was unaware of the new prequel Jedi traditions when it wrote that. And just because the Corellian Jedi did it doesn't mean they needed their own council to tell them they could; it could just as easily have been a group consensus or some other informal thing. Kuralyov 01:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Corellia only or Sector-wide?
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Is there any evidence that the traditions of the Corellian Jedi encompassed Jedi from all over the sector, or just from the Corellian homeworld and several Corellian-esque locations in-system, like possibly the Double Worlds? The Corellian Sector did encompass many cultures and a few species, after all, and we can't really be sure whether other cultures inside the sector who produced Jedi followed the same Jedi traditions as, say, the Halcyons. I think it's safer for the objectivity of the article to reduce it to Corellia only until contrary proof is ganered. Thoughts? Randy Starkiller 01:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I, Jedi says Corellian system (which is often used interchangeably with Corellian Sector) and NEGTC/HNN says Corellian Sector. Kuralyov 01:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- All right. Hadn't checked I, Jedi in a little while (it being still packed away from a recent move in my book box) and I lack NEGTC. Thanks for the info. Randy Starkiller 02:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Solo Kids
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wouldnt Jaina, Jacen, and Anakin be considered Corellian jedi, since they have Corellian heritage
i mean in Legacy, Corellians were calling Jacen a traitor
- Personally I would say, no, being that the Corellian Jedi are more of a cultural classification of Old Republic Jedi, and that tradition died with after the Purge, with teh exception of Corran Horn whom brought the tradition back to life
So point in case they would have to be full Corellian or naturalized, and willing assume the traditions like Corran did, to get away with it. LokiHavok 05:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, it's not like Han Solo was a Jedi to pass on Corellian traditions. The Solo kids grew up more as Coruscanti than Corellian. Astro Droid 04:34, September 24, 2009 (UTC)