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Pub sumsEdit

Pub sum for Dark Empire II (for the other articles): "The Empire in retreat, Luke Skywalker is on a quest to rebuild the Jedi. But before he can revive that elite corps of protectors, he must first rebuild himself! He has spent time as the Emperor's thrall, and the taint of the dark side still tugs at his subconscious. Can he pull together the Jedi, can he pull himself together, before the New Republic loses the upper hand, or will the Empire take root once more?" --SparqMan 18:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Pub sum for Empire's End (for the other articles): "Emperor Palpatine has a new weapon -- one that can annihilate a planet. But he's not targeting a planet -- he's targeting the future of the Jedi, Leia's children. It looks like a hopeless situation for Luke Skywalker, who has the critical task of protecting the children. But it's not the first time Luke has found hope where none existed." --SparqMan 18:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Is Dark Empire really one of the EU pieces that Lucas likes? -- SFH 22:28, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • He has praised it as being the closest to his idea of a sequel trilogy, IIRC. Demented Smiloid 22:33, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Good, good. Now my brother will have no choice but to accept it as canon. -- SFH 01:43, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • I suppose, in the same way he'll have to accept Greedo shoots first as canon. --Duckflesh 16:50, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)



The following is profane and may contain spoilers, please read at your own risk.

  • Stating your opinion is one matter. Stating your opinion with profanity is simply childish and immature. It is quite embarassing and it doesn't belong here. I suggest you exercise some self-restraint and edit your post. People are more likely to listen to your arguments if they are well-crafted instead of built upon emotional diatribes. --Myk Bidlor 06:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

IMO, everything except the first paragraph of the article is very badly written. "Coreward-sucking trend"? Gah!!!~


I hate “Dark Empire”. I don't even like to consider it canon. When people mention things like Eclipse-Class Star Destroyers, I mention things like them shutting the fuck up.

Hmm, you want to know why?

Ok, to start, I am an avid reader of Star Wars novels. I read basically everything published between The Thrawn Trilogy and The Unifying Force, which is an assload of books.

Exception: The "Tales" books, just never got around to it and wasn't too interested Exception: Children of the Jedi was so bad I couldn’t finish it. For that reason, I didn't read Planet of Twilight. I also didn't read Crystal Star, fearing another woman author. However, note that the Han Solo Trilogy books, possibly the best of all SW novels, were written by a woman, so... eh.

Anyway!

I'm big on this stuff, ok? And books usually have to follow a pattern. A particular author can't get too caught up in himself. For the most parts, there would be an incident and it would be dealt with. Darksaber, Daala, the Yevetha thing, Thrawn, all were just big problems that the New Republic had to deal with.

A writer would have to have a lot of guts to have Coruscant fall out of Republic hands. It happened in NJO, but that was part of a huge series. Imagine if the events of NJO had all happened in a single trilogy or something, wouldn't that have been ridiculous?

So, isn't it ridiculous for an author (and I use the term loosely when referring to Tom Veitch, writer of “Dark Empire”) to claim that Coruscant has fallen from Republic Hands in his PROLOUGE? No, I'm not talking about this guy writing all of “Dark Empire” around Coruscant falling. Coruscant falling was simply included in his one page, 500 word prologue. The writer's retarded story required Coruscant to be Imperial, so he went ahead and decided that instead of actually doing anything to give his comics any merit, he'd just cover the huge military campaign in a few sentences.

Ok, so this guy's a huge asshole with no respect for Star Wars and a pretty big sense of himself. But fine. Corsucant fell. At least he probably won't do anything else crazy.

Oh, except have the Emperor be cloned. And have Luke Skywalker turn to the Dark Side. And have numerous unprecedented large ships be built in little time out of nothing, because goddammit, Executer-class ships just weren't good enough. Oh, and also the World Devastators. And since one super weapon isn't enough (well, it was for “A New Hope”, but sure as fuck not for this guy), also the Galaxy Gun. And did I mention those droids powered off of human brains or whatever the fuck?

My point is, for any ONE of the above things to have happened in a Star Wars book would have been pretty monumental, and this asshole did all of it in, I shit you not, 14 comic books. So why did he have to keep coming up with new ridiculously tremendous plot elements to keep his FOURTEEN COMICS alive? Clearly, he's not much of a writer. Someone with any talent could have written that entire series about the World Devastators or whatever. This guy is one of those people who doesn’t know what foreplay is. I feel really bad for his wife. Though, actually, I guess not even nerdy girls would want him anyway, after writing such a pile of shit.

Frankly, I'd like to think NO author with any respect for anything would have Luke turn to the Dark side. Oh, sure, the original Emperor and Luke's very father couldn't get him to turn when he was a weak learner, but now that he's a Jedi Master, I'm sure a clone of the Emperor could turn him in... hmm, how many comics did it take? Two, maybe, maximum.

“Dark Empire” makes me sick. It's about as canon to me as Splinter of a Mind's Eye, the book that takes place after Episode IV where Darth Vader dies and Luke and Leia fall in passionate love.

--Duckflesh 16:50, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • "...fearing another woman author." Wow, have some issues? Anyways, I don't see why you posted this here. This is an encyclopedia, not TFN. Kuralyov 17:27, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Also, it doesn't matter. LucasFilm has stated that you cannot pick and chose on matters of canon (something Curtis Saxton doesn't seem to grasp...). You would also have to throw out everything that happened because of it. -- SFH 17:41, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • No issues, friend, I'm was merely noting that the first female authored book I read in a primarily male authored series was really abhorent, so I feared the next one. You'll also note that I stated how I was proven wrong, and that the Han Solo Trilogy is most excellent. As for posting this here? It's a discussion page. It's opinion, that's why it's here, and not on the main article page. THAT would be inappropriate. Additionally, I'm not saying Dark Empie should be disregarded as canon, because you're right in saying that that wouldn't work. I'm just saying that I wish the whole thing had never happened and that I personally would prefer not to think about it at all.--Duckflesh 03:04, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • I think it would be better to post opinions concerning the story elsewhere - there are plenty of Star Wars forums online. If your opinions concerned the article, then that would be appropriate here. Hollis 03:44, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Hmm... yes, you're completely correct. I apologize for the confusion. The other posts here don't relate to the article, so... at least I'm not the first.--Duckflesh 01:32, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)

you people bother me you take one look at something and say i hate it because luke is evil. jerks if you never wathced the original trilogy you would never know anakin was goign to be evil you hate this comic book for the same reasons we all love the star wars universe i find you people disgusting. i am a huge fan of the dark empire seires because it shows the galaxy did not go right into control of the new republic over night llike most people think it shows that there was still plenty of work to be done in the galaxy

  • Please, personal opinions are not meant for talk pages. I'm sure there's a forum somewhere that you can all discuss this. But this is not that place. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 18:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

ContinuityEdit

Does anyone know if Dark Empire was actually supposed to work with the rest of the after-Endor continuity, or just intended as a one-shot, final sequel? It interacts rather poorly with the rest of that material, especially the Thrawn Trilogy. Custodes 12:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  • It was supposed to be in-continuity. -LtNOWIS 13:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
  • And keep in mind that the Dark Empire story was originally written prior to Tim Zahn being given the task of writing the Thrawn trilogy. However, by the time Veitch became aware of Zahn's story, it was too late to make major modifications to both art and storyline. The most he could really do is mention Thrawn in the "crawl." --Myk Bidlor 18:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • That explains it, then. But could they not have, say, changed the timeline to put it before Thrawn or something like that? Then a lot of the continuity problems would have gone away. (I'm not saying it should be moved now) Custodes 08:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
If you arbitrarily placed DE just after ROTJ, you would have created more continuity problems. How would you explain the decrease in Luke's force powers, his apparent amnesia regarding his immersion into the dark side, the fact that everyone forgot about the existence of Spaarti cylinders, etc. You just need to chalk up the continuity problems to LucasFilm's lack of foresight. I don't think even Lucas figured that Star Wars would reach new levels of interest with Veitch's and Zahn's work. --Myk Bidlor 23:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • What sort of continuity problems, anyway? At least in relation to Zahn's work - I know the overall continuity issues, such as Palpatine not being a Sith, Anakin's prophecy and sacrifice being thrown out the door, and that good stuff. But I didn't see much that actually contradicted the Thrawn trilogy. --Danik Kreldin 14:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, that there is never any reference to the "New Republic" in the comic, for example, but merely "the Alliance", a Rebellion run from the fleet. Far from the trilogy's galactic government. Or that this Alliance is still a military dictatorship without Senate, Borsk Fey'lya et cetera. Or that Leia is one of the front line fighter "grunts" rather than a diplomat. Not to mention the fact that a rabble of disunited Warlords could take Coruscant, while even Thrawn was never once a serious threat to the New Republic (he was just starting to become one when he died in The Last Command). Or... there are a number of things. Sure, some can be explained away, but altogether it's quite a lot. Commander Daal Imperial Emblem 11:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
    • You might add or ask where is Mara Jade or Talon Karrde in Dark Empire? Why did not Palpatine call his "hand" back to him? Why was not Mara seduced by the Emperor as well? Why was Mara not helping Luke when She said she would come with him at the end of The Last Command? Clearly there was a catastrophic breakdown of communications. Dark Empire should have been overhauled and retooled to work better with the Thrawn Trilogy but I suspect money was the problem and Dark Horse Comics was not willing to start over. -- Frank V Bonura - The Bane of Revisionism 04:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
      • Mara was otherwise occupied, being tutored by and rescuing Kyle Katarn from the dark side, as depicted in Mysteries of the Sith. Hardly a catastrophe. OOU, Zahn was asked to inject references to DE into his novels at some late date, but he refused (I wonder if he might have been a little irked that he was forbidden from "resurrecting" Obi-Wan, but Veitch was allowed to bring back the Emperor). He even went so far as to have Mara state in Hand of Thrawn that she doubted it was the real Emperor that appeared. It seems less a lack or communication but a desire for creative independence that causes most of these continuity rifts, but as I mentioned with MotS, there's no canon error that can't be overcome by a little creativity. Dangerdan97 23:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
      • According to the Dark Forces Saga, the resurrected Palpatine attempted to call Mara back to the Empire but she refused, having broken the Emperor's influence over her in TLC. She helped with the evacuation of Coruscant when the Empire took it back, and then Palpatine sent some people after her. She was eventually captured by Cronal for the duration of Dark Empire until Kyle Katarn and others from the New Republic rescued her. Xicer9Atgar(Combadge) 00:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

ColorsEdit

what is wrong with the colors!? is there a new edition with better colors i don't know about?

  • There isn't one, at least not that I know of. The colors were most likely done like that to give the comic a dramatic and maybe even dark appearance. And by the way, people, that does include lightsaber colors, Luke's eye color, and so on. We don't really know that they're actually that color. Just wanted to point that out in hopes that someone can rectify it for this article and all articles that are related.--Darth Nezumi 15:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


T2Q is inferiorEdit

I'd like to include the following two articles as references for the BTS section (specifically the "George said no to that", "under George's direction", "told us we could bring back the Emperor" and Vader impostor parts; as well as the "Lucas praised it" comment in the controversies section), but I have no idea how to code a ref list:

http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2007.asp?intID=432

http://www.ugo.com/channels/comics/features/starwars/

Vader's Armor Edit

The picture on the page with Skywalker and the World Devastators says that Luke is wearing his father's armor. But the page http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vader%27s_armor it states:

After Anakin's death and the subsequent destruction of the second Death Star, the suit was ceremonially burned on a pyre on Endor by Luke.[5] Seven years later, the young Kyp Durron, an apprentice of the New Jedi Order, uncovered the remains of Vader's armor during his struggle with the spirit of Exar Kun, a long-deceased Dark Lord of the Sith. The bonfire had completely incinerated Vader's uniform, leaving only a jumble of heat-warped bits of plasteel, wires and tatters of the armorweave cloak.[38]

So is this canon, a plothole, is there a retcon ? Thanks --190.118.115.6 21:11, October 23, 2012 (UTC)