Species[]
Way back before the novel was originally to be released (in 2007) GL said that Plagueis was a Muun. Does that still apply? I ask considering Stewjon is the canon homeworld for Obi-Wan Kenobi. Have a dark side filled day! --You may call me Mr. Darth (talk) 13:05, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Muun as Lucas' idea: still canon?[]
Does Chee's and Hidalgo's Q&A at Celebration IV qualify as a valid source to determine Plagueis' species as a Muun? They did say that Plagueis being a Muun was Lucas' idea. On the other hand, the first names of Motti don't seem to have been kept... But Stewjon was. --Lelal Mekha (Audience Room) 20:49, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Stewjon was kept because it was in the Encyclopedia (and now the new Databank). I'd leave Muun off of the canon Plagueis page until such time as it appears in the new Databank or in a canon story. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:51, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
Master of Sidious?[]
Has it been confirmed anywhere in the new canon that Plagueis is indeed Sidious' master? Any sort of documentary or something on RotS that confirms it? If there is none, should it be removed? Cevan (talk) 23:30, July 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Reference number two, which you can find in the body of the article next to the information in question, confirms that Plagueis is still Sidious's master. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 00:13, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Hego Damask II[]
Why was this page moved to Hego Damask II/Canon? Cevan (talk) 02:36, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
Ultimate[]
In Ultimate Star Wars, in the locations section, in a quote, Plagueis is identified as Hego Damask. However, it's a quote from the novel Darth Plagueis. Strange, but probably enough to add his birth name? Nivlacanator(talk) 20:39, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
- So... this is going to be one of those annoying word parsing things. However, I don't think he's ever outright identified as Hego Damask. The only reference to Hego Damask that I know of is the quote on the Naboo page. Is there ever anywhere in the book where it's specifically stated that Darth Plagueis is Hego Damask? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:40, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah... And no, not that I have seen. Nivlacanator(talk) 20:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? in that short storie that was added in the phantom menace book, when Maul attack on naboo he keep hearing about demask and realize maybe his master may also have a master. hell i heard other character refer to him as palpatine. i guess that while Hego demask may not be his name it is his alias to the public at large. (Ghidorafour (talk) 01:04, June 1, 2015 (UTC))
- That's a Legends story. This is the Canon page. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:09, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? in that short storie that was added in the phantom menace book, when Maul attack on naboo he keep hearing about demask and realize maybe his master may also have a master. hell i heard other character refer to him as palpatine. i guess that while Hego demask may not be his name it is his alias to the public at large. (Ghidorafour (talk) 01:04, June 1, 2015 (UTC))
- Yeah... And no, not that I have seen. Nivlacanator(talk) 20:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
"Darth Plagueis" Novel ?[]
Do you think one day "Darth Plagueis" will return canon ? It's a excellent book which deserve to be canon. (talk) 02:36, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
- Doubtful, since it was written as a Legends novel. Information from it could become re-canonized, though. Until then, what we have on this page is all we know for sure about the character in canon. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:34, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
- I really think that the novel's main problem that conflicts the new continuity is Maul's parentage. Luceno originally wrote that Maul's mother was a human named Kycina yet George Lucas and Dave Filoni planned and then revealed Maul's mom to be Talzin. Unless Luceno is hired to rewrite some parts of the book, or even add an explanation on why Veruna reigned more than four years, I think that the novel could be placed back on the canon continuity.----X9 The Android (talk) 01:02, April 22, 2019 (UTC)
- You do realize that there were other books about Maul, and his parentage is rarely the same in any of them? Relying on the novel, Darth Plagueis, as the definitive source of Maul's history is not recommended. Red Heathen (talk) 22:11, September 25, 2020 (UTC)
- I really think that the novel's main problem that conflicts the new continuity is Maul's parentage. Luceno originally wrote that Maul's mother was a human named Kycina yet George Lucas and Dave Filoni planned and then revealed Maul's mom to be Talzin. Unless Luceno is hired to rewrite some parts of the book, or even add an explanation on why Veruna reigned more than four years, I think that the novel could be placed back on the canon continuity.----X9 The Android (talk) 01:02, April 22, 2019 (UTC)
Continuity[]
This website is a joke. I spend most of my time pulling out OFFICIAL Star Wars annuals to keep the info up to date, only to be told information in official annuals isn't important unless it has the "Canon" header and am sternly told to only add information from that continuity next time. Then I actually find one with the correct canon header only to be told I shouldn't have and the information in those books is unverified? What does every edit need to come with a signed letter of acknowledgement from J. J. Abrams now?
You tell me that Lucasfilm says otherwise but since when? I've looked and all I can find is apparent confirmation that he is not Snoke and he died during episode one (which even that is dubious in of itself) and I've never, ever some across them so much as hint at Plagueis' backstory - in fact if anything they've been actively trying to avoid it. So where's this source you have where they decide to go out of their way to decanonise this random book? --Dakirel (talk) 21:41, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- That is a serious question by the way! --Dakirel (talk) 21:45, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- The book is canon. The reference to Hego Damask was a mistake in that book, per Lucasfilm Story Group executive Pablo Hidalgo: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/678278140599271424 - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:51, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- So Twitter is canon? Because how I see it is a tweet from someone in the business is not the same as a official product released under the Star Wars licence. --Dakirel (talk) 22:05, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Pablo Hidalgo is a creative executive on the Story Group, which means he's one of the people directly in charge of developing and managing the story of Star Wars. If he says a book made a mistake, it means a book made a mistake. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Quotes on Twitter are officially not official as stated by Lucas Chee and Matt Martin, both members of the Story Group. I would not rely on any statement made on social media instead of being officially published. One reason not to rely on such is the fact that these statements can easily be redacted, which is the case in this specific instance because Hildago shut down his public Twitter feed. All you get now when you click on the link provided is "This Tweet is unavailable." His feed in no longer available to the public. In effect, this tweet never existed unless you find it in an internet archive, which doesn't have much of an "official" feel to me as a source. Most legit publishers have some type of errata they make public after an incorrect statement is published. SW did no such thing in this case. I don't think that means what Hidalgo said is untrue, but it doesn't mean it is true, either. Red Heathen (talk) 22:11, September 25, 2020 (UTC)
- Pablo Hidalgo is a creative executive on the Story Group, which means he's one of the people directly in charge of developing and managing the story of Star Wars. If he says a book made a mistake, it means a book made a mistake. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- So Twitter is canon? Because how I see it is a tweet from someone in the business is not the same as a official product released under the Star Wars licence. --Dakirel (talk) 22:05, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
- The book is canon. The reference to Hego Damask was a mistake in that book, per Lucasfilm Story Group executive Pablo Hidalgo: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/678278140599271424 - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:51, October 6, 2016 (UTC)
Time of death?[]
Is this Pablo tweet: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/824504678046052352 enough to change the time of death from Prior to the Battle of Kashyyyk to Prior to the Blockade of Naboo?--ZapikCZ (talk) 19:34, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- He says "I'd say" so probably not. There isn't much harm in keeping it as Prior to the Battle of Kashyyyk until we get more details from a canon story --Lewisr (talk) 19:43, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- Matt also didn´t say he was certain for the tweet we use to date The Voice of the Empire.--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:04, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- In the absence of any other edivdence, I'd say citing him with a pre-TPM death is fine. - AV-6R7Crew Pit
- Quotes on Twitter are officially not official as stated by Lucas Chee and Matt Martin, both members of the Story Group. I would not rely on any statement made on social media instead of being officially published. One reason not to rely on such is the fact that these statements can easily be redacted, which is the case in this specific instance because Hildago shut down his public Twitter feed. All you get now when you click on the link provided is "This Tweet is unavailable." His feed in no longer available to the public. In effect, this tweet never existed unless you find it in an internet archive, which doesn't have much of an "official" feel to me as a source. Most legit publishers have some type of errata they make public after an incorrect statement is published. SW did no such thing in this case. I don't think that means what Hidalgo said is untrue, but it doesn't mean it is true, either. Red Heathen (talk) 22:11, September 25, 2020 (UTC)
- In the absence of any other edivdence, I'd say citing him with a pre-TPM death is fine. - AV-6R7Crew Pit
- Matt also didn´t say he was certain for the tweet we use to date The Voice of the Empire.--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:04, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Train Palpatine[]
After he met Sheev Palpatine, do you think he will train him to become a Sith Lord as his apprentice? And do you think Plagueis and Sidious are for another Marvel Comics in canon?--172.116.175.170 16:53, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
no such thing as use or have or not, no kill etc own x etc no matter what
TROS[]
In what way was Plagueis indirectly mentioned in The Rise of Skywalker? --Lewisr (talk) 00:23, December 26, 2019 (UTC)
- "Dark side is the pathway to many abilities..." by Sidious --Goodmind (talk) 00:27, December 26, 2019 (UTC)
Rule of Two[]
I'm not 100% sure it's responsible to specifically cite the mere existence of the Rule of Two as proof that Plagueis was dead by 32 BBY. I know it's not in current continuity, but the Plagueis novel had all three alive and Darths simultaneously, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. I especially don't think it's responsible to link Palpatine's discovery of Maul to his decision to kill his master: "As the Rule of Two mandated that only two Sith—a master and an apprentice—could exist at any given time, one of them had to die."
I'll admit that in the latter case, I may be reading too much into that sentence, but that's what it implies to me. --The Crimson Eagle (talk) 17:26, May 1, 2020 (UTC)
Rule of Two: Differing Opinion[]
I came to this talk page for the same topic, but my reasoning is different. The above reasoning is based on Legends material, which should not be used to determine Canon. However, I think it is wrong to make any assumption and state it as fact. There is zero to prove when Plagueis died.
As to the ROT, how do we know if Darth Sidious complied with the rule? He could have broken it. He may not have. Either way, we do not know.
Let's say Sidoius did stick with the ROT. How do we know that Maul didn't become Sidious' apprentice right before the events of the movie? How do we know if Plagueis died in 50 BBY or even in 32 BBY itself? He could have died on our equivalent of January first of 32 BBY. He could have died the morning of the Naboo blockade in 32 BBY. I strongly suggest some edit. If one is not made, then I might make one myself. Red Heathen (talk) 22:11, September 25, 2020 (UTC)
- Ultimate Star Wars, New Edition places the death of Plagueis before Sidious even finds Maul. We also know from Darth Maul (2017) 1 that Maul trained for years under Sidious --Lewisr (talk) 00:36, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- You saw this yourself? Please forgive me for asking, but I've had a few people today alone make up sources because they didn't know the real original source. Red Heathen (talk) 01:32, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
EDIT: Would you please post the quote here so I can read it pretty, pretty please? I would honestly love to see it. And then would you update Plagueis' article? This is a far better source than making inferences from a couple different sources as is done now via Notes and references number 1. Red Heathen (talk) 01:41, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes its right here in this image! Sadly there is no date so we're still gonna have to write out some kind of note, I'll get to it at some point --Lewisr (talk) 01:48, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- OMG...Wow! Just...I am floored. I know canon overrides Legends, but man, having the novel, Darth Plagueis, rendered wholly irrelevant is...I'm not sure how I feel at the moment. LOL I might go curl up in the corner and cry for a few days. Seriously, though, thank you so much for putting in the effort to enlighten me. Red Heathen (talk) 02:42, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't mean the whole book is rendered irrelevant, but the book isn't part of the canon timeline anyway so :P And after all this is just a reference book, so if a story wants to take it in another direction that will happen, so we can only wait and see what happens! Haha no worries its no trouble, I'm just glad to help! --Lewisr (talk) 02:51, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- IDK! For half the book, or for the last twenty years in the book, Plagueis is alive. Twenty years is a lot! However, he was in hiding and Sidious became more powerful without Plagueis around, so now that you've said this, I guess not as much changes as I first thought. Again, you have arrived to save yet another day. I can now come out from the corner. I won't post anymore on the topic, take up anymore room. Ta Red Heathen (talk) 03:23, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't mean the whole book is rendered irrelevant, but the book isn't part of the canon timeline anyway so :P And after all this is just a reference book, so if a story wants to take it in another direction that will happen, so we can only wait and see what happens! Haha no worries its no trouble, I'm just glad to help! --Lewisr (talk) 02:51, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
- OMG...Wow! Just...I am floored. I know canon overrides Legends, but man, having the novel, Darth Plagueis, rendered wholly irrelevant is...I'm not sure how I feel at the moment. LOL I might go curl up in the corner and cry for a few days. Seriously, though, thank you so much for putting in the effort to enlighten me. Red Heathen (talk) 02:42, September 26, 2020 (UTC)
Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker not mentioned[]
When i looked at the Appearances section, it did not mention the Movie Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker. However, it did mention audiobooks and Novels of The Rise of Skywalker, it just did not mention the Movie.
And you may think, How is this movie related to Darth Plagueis? Easy awnser, somewhere near the end of the movie, Darth Sidious (Palpatine) mentions Darth Plagueis in the following quote: "With your anger, you will take my life, and you will ascend. As I did, when I killed my master, Darth Plagueis."
However, Darth Plagueis does not appear in the Movie, but he is mentioned in the quote above.
That's it. —Unsigned comment by GalacticGovernor (talk • contribs).
- This is not the quote from the movie. In the movie itself, Sidious cuts off when he mentions his master. Rey responds to him after he says that she will ascend. Reddyredcp (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)