Talk:Darth Vader's armor

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Article milestones Date Process Result 29 October 2006 Good article nomination Success 2 February 2007 Good article 28 December 2007 Featured article candidate Failure 14 February 2008 Failed featured article candidate
Current status: Failed featured article candidate

Contents 1 First article 2 Spoiler Tag 3 Main Picture? 4 Rename/redirect 5 I fixed a minor typo 6 Armor pictures? 7 Function 8 Armour Functions 9 Cade and Vader's trousers 10 Hebrew writing on the chestplate 11 "Vader's Discomfort" 12 Main picture 13 Could he run in that thing? 14 Enhanced Vision? 15 Why armor? 16 Chestbox styles 17 Vader vs. Grievous 18 Sith war droid basis? 19 Hungy? 20 Vader's armor as fashion statement? 21 Where did the suit come from? 22 Couldn't Build a New Suit

[edit] First article

• Sorry if this was sloppy, its my first article and I can not claim to be an expert on the subject. Geekmasterflash 23:55, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • No problem. Thanks for taking initiative and starting this up after I requested the article. I will agree, it is a bit sloppy, but as you've already noticed, I put it up on the Improvement Drive page, and now it looks like TiePilot is going to fix it up a bit as well.--Knightfall 23:59, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• • Well, I've added some info and altered the page a bit. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time right now to do what I plan, so I'm gonna leave it the way it is. Later on tonight, I'll work on it some more.TIEPilot051999 00:22, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Tag

"After his fateful battle with Obi Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, Anakin Skywalker was taken to the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center, where a team of 2-1B, FX-6 and Model DD-13 "Galactic Chopper" droids rebuilt his body and fashioned the armor for him to wear, as his injuries had required him to be placed on constant life support."

That looks like an Epsiode 3 spoiler to me. Geekmasterflash 00:30, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• That's true, but considering the Episode 3 spoilers are being removed on December 1st, two days from now, I figured it really doesn't matter if we have it up there.--Knightfall 00:45, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • It's the principal of the matter, I still know people who haven't seen it. Geekmasterflash 00:49, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• Suit yourself ;). Nevertheless, the spoiler warnings for Episode III are still being removed in a few days. See Talk:Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor, where I posed the same question, if you want proof.--Knightfall 01:20, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Main Picture?

• It's a good main picture, TiePilot, but I think we should use something different than the main pic they have over at the Vader page. ;-)--Knightfall 01:20, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, I only used that one because it was the best one I could find on this Wiki. If you (or anyone else) can find a better one, I'm all for it.TIEPilot051999 02:44, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rename/redirect

Darth Vader's armor now being the title of the article instead of Darth Vader's Armor I would like to point out basic english, namely that all words in a title are capitialized except for wordss such as the, of, etc.

I am just wondering if their was a reason for the rename? Geekmasterflash 12:53, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• It's a general practice of the wiki that article names appear as they would in a sentence, rather than as in a title. So, only proper nouns are capitalised. --Fade 13:09, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Cool, good to know. Geekmasterflash 21:03, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I fixed a minor typo

Nust "and" spelled as "amd" at some point. nothing big. Don't even know why I had to mention it. Anyway, I just discovered the Star Wars wiki today. Its awesome. Cool. Bye. -Nick Warren

[edit] Armor pictures?

Could somebody please find good pictures of the sections of Darth Vader's helmet to put in here? And I don't mean to be picky but preferably a different picture than the one on the Star Wars.com databank. Oh, and on that note, could somebody also get a *full* picture of Vader's chestplate instead of the cut off one from the Databank that we have in here? Feel free to upload any other pictures of the armor that you may feel are relevant.--Knightfall 23:49, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• I know this is an old comment but I feel the need to respond. These types of request are by and large the work of lazy people. Everyone has access to Google image as well as vast array of star wars sites on the internet. If you think a change is needed or a pictures should be added please try and find it yourself. If you do and can't find anything requests like this are a bit more understandable.--DannyBoy7783 01:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Function

There's something I've been wondering. How does the suit assist Vader's lungs? Does it do the actual gas exchange for him? Does it super-oxygenate the air so his damaged lungs can use it? Does it pump air in and out of his lungs for him?

My theory is the first one. I think the interior of his lungs were damaged by the fire, and could not let oxygen in and carbon dioxide out. Therefore the suit acts like a lung, taking air in through the mask, then his blood runs to a machine where it gets oxygen from the air. Anybody else have an idea? /Commander Mike 03:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• I was under the impression it was the last two rather than the first, this because he was supposedly able to take the mask all the way off in his specially-built meditation chamber, where the atmosphere was superoxygenated and pressurized. Teris Shae 05:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armour Functions

I have been wondering (and most of us probably have been wondering) how does Vader go to the bathroom? does he have a built-in toilet? dont even know i asked this... - STARWARS Freak

• If you watched Ep III you'd see that i got burnt off in the final duel lol. Jasca Ducato 20:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• The book Dark Lord explains this, and I'm pretty sure there's some kind of mechanical arrangement. (Man...why is it the first thing people think of--and this includes in real life with astronaut suits--is the bathroom???) Teris Shae 05:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• Just like to put this out there and this is my first time putting something in a discussion so forgive me if i do it wrong ! :) But I think we need to have an article telling of some advantages Vader had with the suit, like increased strength etc... I know there are various points in this article that tell so, but i think we need a direct paragraph or whatever telling so. Revans Posse 20:54, 17 April 2008 Central Time.

[edit] Cade and Vader's trousers

Before anyone reverts it. I removed the sentence because Vader's armor, being metal wouldn't have burnt away in the fire, so it is possible for Cade to have them. Jasca Ducato 20:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• What's up with this? Ton's of characters have similar pants, Luke, Nihilus, Cade, etc...--Sauron18 17:55 23 June 2006 (CDT)

They weren't completely metal.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 02:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Well, if the armor was metal, the trousers weren't, and the trousers are what Cade 'appears' to be wearing. More than likely, he's wearing knock-offs of the Imperial Knight uniform.Tocneppil 23:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew writing on the chestplate

I remembered reading this page on the Technical Commentaries where different posts brought different opinions on what was written on Vader's chestplate in ESB and ROTJ. If the most coherent version is correct (the one at the bottom), then it might be an interesting detail, if added consciously by the film crew.

"His deeds will not be forgiven until he merits" does have a nice ring to it. 8) VT-16 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Vader's Discomfort"

I made some changes to the section on Vader's discomfort- though obviously drawing from Dark Lord, it gives the false impression that Vader's armor's flaws were permanent, whereas we know from the novel that he made numerous adjustments and improvements to the armor to rectify its flaws (Palpatine talks to him while he's doing so at one point). After all, by the end of the novel, he has no problem fighting in his armor whatsoever- a far cry from his initial performance earlier in the novel. Vymer 10:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a totally different discution that I'm starting, it just happens to be about the same paragraph. Could someone possibly come up with a better name for the paragraph. I know I made it (and thusly named it), but could someone come up with a better name than Vader's Discomfort. Maybe something like Vader's Inhibitions. user:Darth Vatrir

Different discussion on the section now (aptly) named "Vader's Torment." I don't know if there are any Wookieepedians out there who use the real thing, but the description of the implants that restored Vader's hearing sound a LOT like 20th/21st-century cochlear implants. I do not use a CI myself, but have spoken with people who do, and based on their descriptions, it sounds as though the technology Palpatine used is on almost the same level as what is being used in modern-day, and maybe not even quite that good. I have GOT to think far superior technology was available at that time. Just look at what we see of the artificial limb given to Luke--that's an INCREDIBLY sophisticated piece of hardware, and you'd think cochlear implants would've been improved to that same level of near realism. While I am not sure Mr. Lucerno was aware of this when he wrote Dark Lord, could this serve as evidence that Palpatine intentionally screwed Vader over? Teris Shae 05:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main picture

• Jasca, the main pic doesn't change the page that much, and a overall pic is needed. What gives? Cutch 21:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could he run in that thing?

Does Vader ever run in any EU source? He can't run in Battlefront II, that's for sure. .... 09:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• With a breathing regulator providing a set rate of air at regular intervals it'd be pretty hard.Tocneppil 22:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • He runs in Dark Lord, as far as I can remember. He starts jogging and then breaks out into a run after Roan on Alderaan, then finally - when he realises he can't catch up - he throws his saber. (128.243.220.42 21:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC))
  • I'm pretty sure the respirator adjusts for the demands of his heart--in fact, in Dark Lord, he has a full-blown panic attack and the respirator does speed up despite the fact that it could put his health at risk. (Given his physical frailty underneath the armor, you can probably imagine what would happen if he hyperventilated!) In real life, a panic attack does make both the heart and lungs speed way up, which makes the attack feed itself, and the respirator responded to that. Teris Shae 05:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enhanced Vision?

The Discomfort part of the article mentions an enchanced vision mode, but nowhere else in the article is this mentioned. Whats up?DarthMRN 15:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why armor?

In the novel darksaber, bevel lemisk (sorry if i missspeled anything) was killed manny times by palpatine, only to be resurected as a clone with his memories and consusness. So why coudent palpatine clone him,or find a force sensitive host (a.k.a. captured Jedi) and put his soul in there?

George Lucas has stated that Anakin is twice was powerful as Palpatine before he was crippled in his fight with Obi-Wan. But with the suit he is roughly 80% of Palpatine's power, I'd imagine this was a big incentive for Palpatine to put Vader in armor. Also he may not have had the amulet to do that yet at that point. Dargos 05:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool, and thanks for clearing that up. (5:06 4/12/07)

• And, of course, Vader's spiffy black outfit doubled as an iron-lung of sorts. One cannot crush Jedi necks when not breathing after all. Krhlv

WAIT!!!! If anikin was twice as powerfull as palpatine, and obi-wan was stronger than anikin, why the heck didn't yoda win against the emporor, or beter yet he could have sent obi-wan to do it and he would have won, also why did yoda say obi-wan was not powerfull enough.

• I'm not sure Obi-Wan's victory was an issue of power so much as it was one of character and patience. Anakin was undoubtedly the stronger one, but Obi-Wan toyed with him for a long time, tried his patience to the limit, and waited until Anakin made a rash move and then seized the moment to take him out. As for Yoda, I don't think it was ever established what his relative power was to Palpatine. As for why Obi-Wan might not have been able to beat Palpatine--this is just personal theory, but Palpy's anger is harder to exploit. He, unlike Anakin, is much more comfortable with biding his time...odds are he could beat Obi-Wan at his own game. Teris Shae 23:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I think Obi was fighing for his lif on mustafr, he was just skilled enough to last untll anakin lost contol. I anakin had controlled hisanger, and not become overtaken by it, he would have easily beat Obi-wan.--216.210.97.64 06:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chestbox styles

Just a minor note about the chestboxes. You have it that the boxes for Episodes 5 and 6 are the same. They are not. There are minor differences. In ESB there is a silver switch the top above the upper panel light, but in RotJ that switch is missing. Also, the middle silver switch of the three between the rocker switches is missing in RotJ. Otherwise, they are the same. Also, there is some debate about what the writing says on the boxes... if it says anything at all.

[edit] Vader vs. Grievous

Has any official statement been made regarding why Vader's prosthetics were so much less agile and dextrous than Grievous'? I know speculation goes that Palp had it done as punishment, but that seems strange. Vader is a grown man, and very rich and powerful, after all, and according to the article, he had time to improve upon the armour over the course of his life. If the tech existed, why would he not simply have the faulty parts replaced and regain his old speed? DarthMRN 09:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a gues, but grivios was all prosthetics, he had only organs, no legs arms or chest , so unless vader wanted to become a organ sack, he wouldent do that, also grevios didn't need the heavy and intensive life suport that vader did.

• Unlikely, considering one of the Grievous article pics showing him having a good deal of his torso intact before being cyborgized. DarthMRN 02:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, Grievous is defintitely more a machine than Vader. Unlike Vader, Grievous couldn't sleep or eat, that's quite a hint already. So I agree to this statement ^^: " unless vader wanted to become a organ sack, he wouldent do that"

[edit] Sith war droid basis?

Am I just making this up, or wasn't this armor supposed to be based on Krath droids or something like that? Kuralyov 05:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungy?

How would he eat? And if he needed to throw up, how would he do that either? Because i think that when he took off his mask in ROTJ, it sped up his death. So the longer it's gone, the less he has to live. Would he just use like, IV stuff or whatever? Chiaman2800 04:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Vader can take his mask off in his meditation chamber, as seen in ESB. -- I need a name (Complain here) 15:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vader's armor as fashion statement?

There was a mention of the look (in silohuette at least) being a fashionable style around the time of Mara's marriage to Luke in Union. I remember Leia making a crack to the designer along the lines of the bride not wanting to look like the groom's father.Tocneppil 01:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where did the suit come from?

Where exactly did Vader's suit originate? I mean, given the level of customization and specialization that went into the design, Palpatine couldn't have just come up with it on the spot. Keep in mind that Palpatine couldn't have commisioned the suit in advance given the fact that he was surprised that Anakin was defeated on Mustafar. Flag-Waving American Patriot 01:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

i don't want to wear this amor in reality

[edit] Couldn't Build a New Suit

It says somewhere that Vader COULD (around 0BBY) have built a new suit of armor which would be of far better quality than his current one - but that it would include having to remove his current armour, a process which could be fatal. But another place in the article, it says that he had Meditation Rooms where he could exist for a while without his armor on... So why not just build a new suit of armor, then take of your old one inside a meditation room, and afterwards put on the new one, all the while without leaving the room. If the new suit of armor is already ready (and it would be redundant otherwise), it would be just as fast as putting on the old one - I mean putting on a new shirt isn't slower than putting on the one you've just taken off, right... so if you just made sure the armor worked BEFORE you took the old one off, what's the catch? I mean, I'm curious, may just be an insignificant plothole, but... well,yeah ... curious :) —Unsigned comment by 62.107.24.213 (talk • contribs).