Talk:Destruction of Alderaan

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Do we need two pictures about the explosion? - TopAce 17:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Small detail in ANH 2 Number of dead 3 Imperial Spin 4 Sort it out 5 Every sentient on Alderaan=Rebels? 6 Imperial Losses 7 Alderaan Cmdr. 8 Mon Cal cruiser? 9 The New Planet 10 Rebel casualties

[edit] Small detail in ANH

I see this page has been expanded to include a battle around Alderaan while the DS main gun charged up. Interestingly enough, there's at least a pretext for both the Rebels having ships nearby as well as the DS having an escort. In ANH, you see the planet from two different sides on Tarkin's viewscreen, one would be from the DS POV, while another would be from the view of an escorting warship. There is also a painting by Ryan Church in his "in-universe photographic tour" from SW:Visionaries, showing a myriad of Rebel warships and transports gathering next to an Alderaanian city. VT-16 22:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The 2 explosion pictures seem useful especially considering how much discussion their is in the community reagrding the power of the Death Stars blast and it's effects (The 1e38 joule calculation for example as well as it being a DET effect) not to mention the shield glow.

• Here's something more for the shield-debate, a series of screencaps I took from my DVD: BOOM

You can make out the glow spreading across a limited part, not most of the atmosphere pointing towards the DS. This is consistent with shield effects seen elsewhere in all six films, where energy from a blast lights up only the nearby area of a shield. Also, if the ray in the first "contact" images had hit the surface of an unsheltered planet, it would already show debris flying out from the hit surface, not a shield-glow effect.. VT-16 19:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of dead

How many died in the blast, is it known? Kuralyov 03:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia says the population of Alderaan was 2 billion beings. Somewhere I saw 8 billion, though, so I'm not sure what to believe. --Gurbiza 10:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't believe to Wikipedia. It's great for learning about the real world: history, literature, arts, and other interesting areas, but somehow I don't trust in it's Star Wars articles. I read many weird things there about Star Wars. - TopAce 19:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Spin

What was the propaganda about Alderaan's getting blasted? Did they try to say it was Rebel terrorism, or did they actually just flat-out tell everyone "We blew it up because they gave us crap, so suck on it" Commander Mike 03:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

• They claimed that the Alderaanians had built a giant underground superweapon that misfired. It was in one of the Galaxywide Newsnets from Star Wars Gamer, I think. Kuralyov 03:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Feel free to add that intriging piece of evidence. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I can't remember the exact excuse, and I don't have the article on me. I'll try to find it, and maybe someone else has access to it? Kuralyov 03:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons alludes to that bit of Imperial spin. They don't use the terms "superweapon" or "misfire," but it mentions "titanic internal detonations". After this was exposed as a lie by pirated holoclips, the Empire pretty much then said "yeah, we did, but to prevent 'Bail Organa's biowar virus.'" Cyril 16:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
    • So it was that "we destroyed it in order to prevent the rebels from deploying bioweapons." I had heard that somewhere, but I wasn't quite sure. Thanks. FVZA_Colonel 12:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sort it out

Just a thought, but wouldn´t it be better if that battle-info tab(the Cmdr./strength/casulties and so on) would be given sepparate section,because in contains non-movie materials. E.g. stuff from EAW becasuse it says the planet was defended, and this contradicts the films:in ANH the Imps just came in and blew the planet up without any resistance. So please give this EU material in articles describing movie events separate section. Hominid 19:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

As this EU-rubbish about a battle of Alderaan is completely non-canon and actually contradicts G-canon it should be removed COMPLETELY! There was no battle whatsoever, not in the movie and not in the novelization so take it out.

if we are going to delte the battle, we might as well fix the box too that says who parpitcated. or should we delete this? or was something missed?

Completely remove it. I cannot believe how EU-infested wookiepedia is. Even strict G-canon is ignored.

Groode hdoge 21:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• The Battle of Alderaan is canon. -- I need a name (Complain here) 21:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah? What kind of canon is that? There WAS no battle in the movie, that is what is of interest here, not some made-up EU-crap. It contradicts G-canon in any way. Who by the way made up this crap?

• Made-up EU crap? So, you saying the movies are based on true events. Your pathetic attempts at making a point are quite laughable and annoying, troll.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 20:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Rebel ships attacking (and the DS being escorted by a fleet, for that matter) is pure gameplay mechanics. It happened to put anothing battle in the game rather than making the attack on Alderaan purely a cutscene. Also, the very idea of a Rebel fleet there is absurd, because Alderaan wasn't in open rebellion. The Rebels wouldn't put planets that only support them covertly at risk by openly deploying fleets to them. Red XIV 07:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they just didn't show it in the movie. After all, the Death Star is huge and the battle could have taken place behind the viewer in the movies. Astroview120mm 03:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• This "Battle of Alderaan" could not possibly be considered canon. If it was, then when Princess Leia objects, saying "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons" wouldn't Tarkin or Motti or Vader have asked her to look out the window at the Rebel fleet attacking them? Next you'll be telling me that the invincibility powerups from Super Return of the Jedi are canon. DeathSquadron 04:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• I also think that it's one of the most ridiculous retcons that's ever been made. Maybe I can buy the claims that Alderaan was not a helpless, unarmed planet. Maybe. But when some author blatantly retcons G-canon, I have to call shenanigans and ask for the entire section to be removed. Or was it just in a computer game? I recognize one of the pictures from Empire at War. That only makes it even worse. Since when have software developers been concerned with canon? Chadling 17:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Just because something didn't appear in the movie doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. The entire point of the EU is not only to expand on periods of time that haven't been written about yet. The EU is also for expanding on events that have already been written about. There may not have been evidence of a battle when ANH first came out, but this is what the EU is for. The battle probably happened either behind the Death Star, or on the other side of Alderaan. Darthfuzzball

[edit] Every sentient on Alderaan=Rebels?

Why do we have them under "Rebellion Losses"? Just because it was the Empire that killed them? They probably weren't all alligned to the Rebellion. Ijtzoi 15:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• I think he has a point. There were probably people who supported the Empire on the planet, though I doubt the Empire would care enough to count them among their casualties.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 18:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Read the 'unexpected battle' part of the article. The Imperials and Rebels fought, and the Rebel fleet was destroyed. Darthfuzzball 21:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Losses

Where do we get the one destroyed Imperial Star Destroyer from? What's the source for it - Empire at War? Skywalka 06:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• Yes.--Herbsewell 15:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alderaan Cmdr.

Why does the article state that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Han Solo commanded the rebels at the battle of Alderaan? They didn't even participate. 69.12.155.64 23:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mon Cal cruiser?

Why are there Mon Cal cruisers present? I thought that the rebels didn't get them until after the battle of Yavin...Unit 8311 19:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• They've been present for several battles prior to Yavin, either they were breakaway groups not directly supported by Mon Calamari or Rebels having bought Mon Cal ships. We know Imperials would buy Mon Calamari ships against Imperial orders, so it's not too farfetched. VT-16 14:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The New Planet

Alderaan is blow apart into many pieces? Wouldn't gravity eventually pull all the clumps back together into a new planet? Double D 17:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, sounds like a very reasonable idea. Darthfuzzball 21:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, it's more than reasonable. We just went over this in my Astronomy class, concerning one of the outer moons which was destroyed then reformed because of the gravitation pull - I thought immediately of Alderaan's predicament (take that as you will ;) ). As for its occurrence IU, it never happens. It's one of those "unanswered questions", like the Endor holocaust - science says it should happen, but it doesn't. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 03:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rebel casualties

0 BBY#Deaths currently has a much longer list of known victims of the planet's destruction. Should that just be to the infobox here? Should it only list as casualties beings who were Rebels, or who were part of the Rebel counterattack? --Andrew Nagy 06:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)