The Darth Maul article, as well as the Form VII article both say that Maul used a variant of Form VII. He didn't use some unique/special form (which is what this article seems to be describing), he just used a variant of Juyo. 141.154.159.11 00:33, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- How does this sound? Darth Maul merged typical double-bladed lightsaber combat with his mastery of Juyo, Form VII? Thanos6 00:36, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds fine. The purpose was not to describe any unique/specific form, but rather a general type of lightsaber combat (I've deleted the one use of 'form' in the article). So, you could in theory use any standard form with a double-bladed saber (in practice probably not, since the shape of the double-bladed lightsaber calls for movements etc. that are very different from what you can do with an ordinary lightsaber). Anyway, it was just to get the article started, so feel free to make any edits that might improve it. KEJ 00:59, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe... But I just remembered something: Jedi Master Zez-Kai Ell used a double-bladed lightsaber, but I think he used one of the standard forms (I don't remember which, maybe Ataru), and the Jedi Exile can learn that form (even with a single bladed lightsaber) from Zez-Kai Ell. I always assumed that there were single-bladed, and double-bladed variants of the standard forms. Maybe I'm wrong.141.154.159.11 00:44, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- No you're probably not wrong. You can double check with KOTORII if you want and add the info here. As I said, it's likely that there are variants of the standard forms for double-bladed lightsabers (in reality the variats would be very different though due to the shape of the double-bladed lightsaber). This was not meant to be a unique form but rather a general type of lightsaber combat. KEJ 00:59, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- At first I thought it was a little wierd to have an article about double bladed lightsaber combat since Maul and Zez-Kai Ell used variants of the standard forms, but I see what you mean about it being an article about a general type of lightsaber combat. 141.154.159.11 01:14, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Zez-Kai Ell uses Shien. Atarumaster88 19:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, Zez-Kai Ell uses Ataru. Check out [1] for more on the topic.--Master Dakari 14:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- Zez-Kai Ell uses Shien. Atarumaster88 19:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- At first I thought it was a little wierd to have an article about double bladed lightsaber combat since Maul and Zez-Kai Ell used variants of the standard forms, but I see what you mean about it being an article about a general type of lightsaber combat. 141.154.159.11 01:14, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- No you're probably not wrong. You can double check with KOTORII if you want and add the info here. As I said, it's likely that there are variants of the standard forms for double-bladed lightsabers (in reality the variats would be very different though due to the shape of the double-bladed lightsaber). This was not meant to be a unique form but rather a general type of lightsaber combat. KEJ 00:59, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Merge?
This article says pretty much the same as the double-bladed lightsaber article. I think we should either rewrite it to be more about the combat itself, or merge it with the said article. - Sikon [Talk] 18:19, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I'd say this article should be about the combat and the other should be about the double-bladed lightsaber itself KEJ 19:43, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Added more to the Double Bladed Lightsaber combat itself, and to Darth Maul's entry explanation
I thought it was necessary to point out some of the double-bladed lightsaber combat deficiancies against a normal lightsaber, due to this being the combat article.
And the reason why I editted the Maul's use of the DBL was because I was trying to get the myth erased on Maul's combat prowess. Many times during his duel with Obi-wan and Qui-Gon, he did grab the blade of his lightsaber itself.
- Err, no. 1) You can't even be asked to check your sources. I've been watching your other edits in the Mandalorian Wars sections and reverted them. And 2) That last paragraph you just wrote is complete crap. If Maul had grabed the blades themselves he would have been cut to shreads, literally. Thus, no Darth Vader, no Galactic Empire, eventual end of the Sith! CHECK YOUR SOURCES AND WATCH THE BLOODY MOVIES PROPERLY! Jasca Ducato 19:55, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Sources were checked: if it wasn't for the fact that Ray Park was holding a fake lightsaber, his hands would be cut off. It was both Ray Park's *and* Darth Maul's error. He really wasn't that good of a swordsman if that happened.
- IF that actually occurs on-screen, it can be chalked up to simply a film error, much like how the FX on Obi Wan's lightsaber in ANH breifly dissapeared until the DVD editions. Either that, or Maul wears special saber-proof Sith gloves.
- Sources were checked: if it wasn't for the fact that Ray Park was holding a fake lightsaber, his hands would be cut off. It was both Ray Park's *and* Darth Maul's error. He really wasn't that good of a swordsman if that happened.
- This is an In-Universe encyclopedia so i dont give two... about Ray Parks, only Maul. Jasca Ducato 08:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think Anakin wouldn't have fallen if Qui-Gon was alive? - Sikon [Talk] 09:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Who are you asking, if you're asking me then 1) what has this got to do with the duel inquestion? And 2) Anakin would have fallen regardless of who his master was, it was all because of Palpatine remember. Jasca Ducato 19:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think Anakin wouldn't have fallen if Qui-Gon was alive? - Sikon [Talk] 09:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is an In-Universe encyclopedia so i dont give two... about Ray Parks, only Maul. Jasca Ducato 08:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
IG-100 MagnaGuards
When I made the gallery of practitioners of this form and added General Qymaen jai Sheelals IG-100 MagnaGuards to the list, they were rudely removed. My reason for requesting their inclusion is this, because of the nature of their weapons and how well they use them, for that kind of bladework (I use the term loosely), at least a working knowledge of this form is required. Darth Vatrir
- But even if defense or offense against lightsabers is included in their combat form, their combat form is essentially not double-bladed lightsaber combat, but rather electrostaff combat. Also the physical appearance of electrostaffs and double-bladed lightsabers are very different (the blades on the latter are much longer than the blades of the former, and the cutting power if probably very different too), so in that perspective double-bladed lightsaber combat and electrostaff combat are bound to be quite different forms of melee combat. As the the rudeness of the removal, I don't think it was that rude. At least, the one who removed it provided a valis reason in the edit summary. KEJ 12:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, but they were trained by Qymaen jai Sheelal, and since he trained them in all the forms he knew, it only makes sense that he would at least give them a crash course in saberstaff combat. Darth Vatrir
- Since when has Grievous used a double-bladed lightsaber? The fact remains that the MagnaGuards used double-bladed lightsabers; there is no canon evidence to support this - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 21:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- There is no proof at all that double-bladed lightsaber combat was used with respect to Magnaguards. Besides that, it makes sense for them to be completely different, due to the different "blade" lengths and different weights- lightsaber blades being practically massless. And Grievous never used a double-bladed saber. Atarumaster88
(Audience Chamber) 21:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- But he had one, that sort of makes him a practitioner by virtue of inclusion, what sort of psycho lightsaber-wielding jedi-killing maniac would have a saberstaff and not know how to use it. And he gave his guards a crash course in all the forms he knew, so he would obviously give them a crash course in this one. Darth Vatrir
- Regardless, Grievous hasn't been shown to actually fight with a dual-bladed lightsaber in canon (to my knowledge anyway). The other characters in the "possible" section are listed as "possible" because they are all video game characters (KOTOR, its sequel, and Jedi Academy respectively), in which the player can choose to build/use a single-blade, dual-blade, or two lightsabers in Jar'Kai. There is no canon as to what kind of blade each of the characters built (Only the backstory, force alignment, and gender are set in canon for each one), so they are listed as "possible" unless a future canon source says otherwise.Toad of Steel 04:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- But he had one, that sort of makes him a practitioner by virtue of inclusion, what sort of psycho lightsaber-wielding jedi-killing maniac would have a saberstaff and not know how to use it. And he gave his guards a crash course in all the forms he knew, so he would obviously give them a crash course in this one. Darth Vatrir
- There is no proof at all that double-bladed lightsaber combat was used with respect to Magnaguards. Besides that, it makes sense for them to be completely different, due to the different "blade" lengths and different weights- lightsaber blades being practically massless. And Grievous never used a double-bladed saber. Atarumaster88
- Since when has Grievous used a double-bladed lightsaber? The fact remains that the MagnaGuards used double-bladed lightsabers; there is no canon evidence to support this - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 21:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, but they were trained by Qymaen jai Sheelal, and since he trained them in all the forms he knew, it only makes sense that he would at least give them a crash course in saberstaff combat. Darth Vatrir
Rumored/Possible
I Changed the head "rumored" to "possible" and added a picture of the exile, however, the picture doesn't show her using a Double-Bladed saber. Does anyone have a picture of her using one? Jedi master Rimsek 01:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Doubtful, seeing as the current picture was only arrived at after considerable discussion and photoshopping. I don't think anyone is going to go through that again for the sake of a non-canon, possible appearance. DarthMRN 15:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Ventress
Shouldn't Asajj Ventress be added to the list of possible Double-bladed lightsaber combat users? - Awar 17:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
- Indeed she should. But Im no good with pictures, so someone else has to handle that. DarthMRN 00:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure she fits in there since she does use it canonically. The Exile and Jaden are there because we don't really know if they did.--Lord OblivionSith holocron
00:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, how about the Notable Users section then? Way to be nitpicky. DarthMRN 10:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure she fits in there since she does use it canonically. The Exile and Jaden are there because we don't really know if they did.--Lord OblivionSith holocron
Bastila
What ever happened to the image of Bastila that has her yellow double-bladed lightsaber ignited? That would be good to add to the article--Jedi Kasra 02:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Something
Bastila on some game art wielding Green-colored Double-bladed lightsaber . But in game she appears with standart yellow lightsaber at first cinematic movie, so she is used "standart lightsaber combat" not "Double-bladed", dont know why artists depicted with her with "staff" .
Darth Maul used a variant of Form VII that is 100% true .
Alek-revanchist 03:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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+there is no possibility Revan used staff
Alek-revanchist 03:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- So i never kicked the snot out of malak with a double sided lightsaber? IT WAS ALL JUST A LIE D: --Dixieboy 10:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)