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Obviously a mistake[]

Obviously, the identification of that ship as the Eclipse is just a mistake. The Databank makes it clear that the ship in which Piett died was the Executor. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:22, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

I already asked for clarification on the Executor's Talk-page. It seems like an error at first but the novelization not just changed the name but the association as well. It now is supposed to be the Emperor's ship instead of Vader's drawing more from the Eclipse's Legends-counterpart. KnightOfRen (talk) 13:40, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
How could Piett have switched ships in the middle of the battle, though? --LelalMekha (talk) 13:49, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
I know it is totally unlikely. Probabbly one of the following sources even refers to the scene and the Executor, creating a real contradiction: Star Wars in 100 Scenes, Ultimate Star Wars, Star Wars: Ships of the Galaxy. I don't have those and based the article just on the given material. KnightOfRen (talk) 14:10, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
I'd say this obviously is a mistake as well. Not only Piett but also Gherant would have then had to suddenly switch ships mid-battle. I'd say that, while that novel establishes the Eclipse's existence to be canon, identifying that as the ship in the aforementioned film scene is a mistake. Legends stuff have similarly made mistaken identifications of characters through the years. Does that book also establish the Eclipse was the ship that rammed the Death Star? If so, it's definitely just a mistake, and contradicts with Piett's new Databank entry which still says he died on the Executor. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:59, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
The scene of the Executor's destruction is completely omitted by the adaptation. During Piett's first appearance in the novel (chapter 37) he is identified to be "commander of the command ship" and can be seen to be serving under Vader. In the only scene the Eclipse is identified by name (chapter 63) we read "The commander of the Eclipse [...]. "We’re in attack position now, sir," he tells Admiral Piett.". This seems to indicate that there is someone else in charge of this vessel, not Piett but the officer who was named Merrejk in Legends, and therefore it might be another ship. If someone could consult one of the canon books containing information on the Executor; it might be the case one of those is depicting the same scene though identifying the ship as Executor. KnightOfRen (talk) 17:45, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
Then perhaps the commander of the Eclipse could have traveled aboard the Executor to deliver a message to Piett? With the use of TIE shuttles that is easily possible, seeing Captain Needa traveling to the Executor from the Avenger to apologize to Vader in ESB. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:57, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
This actually might be a possible interpreatation. Merrejk (though not named in canon yet) is commander of the Eclipse, he is stationed on the Executor during the Battle of Endor and responsible for maneuvering the ship in attack position on the rebel cruisers, especially Ackbar's Home One. It wouldn't make a lot sense though if he would just have travelled from the Eclipse to the Executor as no second Super Star Destroyer is visible anywhere near the one present in the movie. Sending a lone ship would reveal the position of the Eclipse so a holographic transmission would be way more likely. Because of that I would guess the Eclipse is not present at the battle. KnightOfRen (talk) 19:40, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Legends counterpart[]

The legends/canon-tabs have been removed for this article because "The connection between this and the Legends ship with that name seems dubious, and the article has given no indication this is meant to be the canon counterpart." Both are ships with the name Eclipse, both are Super Star Destroyers, both are Emperor Palpatine's personal flagships. I guess the confusion is based on the Executor-problem discussed above under Obviously a mistake. Shouldn't those tabs be reinserted based on these information? KnightOfRen (talk) 13:09, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

There is no SSD Eclipse in new canon, here's the proof.[]

This was discussed with Tom Angleberger himself, and it appears that there was a mistake in print. All instances of "Eclipse" in the novel should be read as "Executor". You can see it here on Twitter. --LelalMekha (talk) 18:51, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

End to the argument (Spoiler Warning)[]

Aftermath: Life Debt includes Palpatine's flagship the Eclipse and describes it as a Super Star Destroyer so this page should not be merged. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:33, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

  • It shouldn't be merged indeed, but the info it contains is still inaccurate. Could you rewrite it? --LelalMekha (talk) 15:00, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
    • Done, but can someone put the link to Twitter in please. Tommy-Macaroni (talk) 18:53, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

Executor-class?[]

Do we know for a fact that the Eclipse belongs to the Executor-class? AFAIK, Aftermath: Life Debt only calls it a "Super Star Destroyer", and we know that even in canon, it's an umbrella term (per Star Wars: Complete Locations). --Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 21:13, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

  • Yeah, well you may remember this. For some reason, the result was that everything called a SSD is now also an Executor-class, despite there being no evidence to support this. Maybe someone should ask Pablo or someone to clear this up once and for all. -Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 18:11, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
    • I imagine we may well get an answer to this in Aftermath: Empire's End so let's wait and see --Lewisr (talk) 18:13, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
    • I do remember that Trash Compactor discussion, but that was before Star Wars: Complete Locations confirmed the ambiguity of the term "Super Star Destroyer". --Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 18:15, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
      • In that case, I have no idea why those ships are still being called Executor-classes. Seems like total speculation to me. -Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 18:21, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
        • In light of Complete Locations, I think it's total speculation to label any SSD an Executor without either visual or direct confirmation. - Pyke syndicate AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:41, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
          • Just to make things perfectly clear for everyone, here's what Complete Locations says: "Both rebels and Imperials refer to these [Executor-class] command ships (as well as other classes of massive capital ships) as Super Star Destroyers." (found on page 171, emphasis is mine) --Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 18:45, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
      • If we are agreed then, I will start to remove this speculation. -Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 18:59, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
  • Asked on twitter a couple of days ago. I asked whether it is an Eclipse-class like in Legends or not and Matt Martin replied by saying that he would assume that it's a standard SSD. Here is the link: http://www.twitter.com/missingwords/status/916060396875845632 - Vitus Infinitus 10/8/17 09:55
    • I should think that's enough proof, assuming he does mean Executor-class when he says standard. - Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 17:20, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
      • Well that's assuming he meant that, we can leave it as it is and just wait for it be maybe be told in a story one day --Lewisr (talk) 17:22, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
        • That's fine, still a bit unclear at the moment. I feel it's something that'll be touched on in the future. - Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 18:01, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
          • I agree, especially if we learn about what happened in the timeline between Empire's End and Phasma --Lewisr (talk) 18:03, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
  • Just asked if by standard he meant Executor-class and his response was pretty interesting. http://www.twitter.com/missingwords/status/917080771571183616 --Vitus Infinitus (talk) 18:10, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
    • Seems like every Executor-class is a bit different then. Also seems to me that the general thought in Lucasfilm is that the Eclipse is an Executor.--66.176.46.227 19:12, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
      • In my opinion, I think that this is enough to say that the Eclipse is an Executor-class. Interesting to see that every SSD is slightly different but they're all Executor's. There's nothing to contradict Eclipse being an Executor-class, so I think that we can update it for now and if a canon story or book comes out and says otherwise, then we change it accordingly.--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 01:00, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

Legends tab[]

Considering that both Eclipses are SSD flagships of Palpatine, wouldn't it be beneficial to link this page to Eclipse (Eclipse-class), at least for reader navigation purposes? - Cwedin(talk) 03:26, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I'm not really sure why that hasn't been done yet, seems perfectly logical. - Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 09:23, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Why is this merged with the Eclipse Class Destroyer from Legends? These are entirely different ships. The Eclipse SSD in canon has nothing to do with the Eclipse Class Destroyer in Legends.Unsigned comment by LordDarovit (talk • contribs).

  • When you say merged, do you mean the legends tab at the top? Yes they are different ships, but because they are both the Eclipse, both Palpatine's ship and both SSDs, we thought that was enough for them to share a tab (this discussion is directly above). The tab doesn't mean they are the same ship, just that there are similarities between canon and legends. - Tommy-Macaroni Imperial Emblem (Talk) 07:01, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Technical specifications section[]

Are the technical specifications listed here accurate to the Eclipse? Since until it is confirmed what class of Super Star Destroyer this vessel is, it's unclear what the specs should be. This seems to reference the Databank entry for SSD as the source which is clearly an entry for the Executor-class and not a general reference to SSDs. Am I mistaken? --98.212.192.57 15:46, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Gallius Rax had control over the Eclipse... Could we list him as a crew member? 216.56.8.90 18:22, October 9, 2018 (UTC)User:ClashGamer15

Commanders[]

Can we put Gallius Rax as a commander of the ship? In Aftermath: Life Debt, didn't he had the ship moved into the Unknown Regions? --Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 17:32, December 9, 2019 (UTC)

  • Not sure that really qualifies as being a commander of the ship, also where is that in Life Debt? I don't recall that being said --Lewisr (talk) 17:45, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • Okay, I was just wondering. I mean, if I'm right, Rax intended to rebuild the Empire by using the Eclipse to do so. --Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 18:20, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • So far we only have intent to do so, like Sloane intended to board the ship, but since we don't know if it actually happened we can't say for sure --Lewisr (talk) 18:23, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
    • Ah. I gotta re-read the Aftermath series, lol. Its been at least a year already. Thanks Lewisr :D --Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 18:28, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
      • Haha fair enough, you should :P No worries :) --Lewisr (talk) 18:30, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
      • Gotta finish reading Rogue Squadron first, lol --Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 18:31, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
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