"Ferroconcrete"? Edit

Where is it ever called that? I've read most of the sources here, and every one has called it just ferrocrete. Kuralyov 06:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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  • I know this isn't going to be very helpful, but I'm pretty sure I came across Ferroconcrete in an NJO book, and I remember thinking "isn't it supposed to be ferrocrete?" I have a feeling it was a Luceno book. --Azizlight 08:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Please site a source for this article. It is hard to believe the concrete is 'molecularly bonded' to iron. Real-life reinforced concrete is interlaced simply with low grade steel. I would conjecture that ferrocrete is simply the GFFA equivalent of reinforced concrete with different (potentially superior) aggregate and cement mixtures reinforced with durasteel. Rather Dashing 17:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Episode I Adventures 1: Search for the Lost Jedi -- "The inner silo appeared to be lined with thick layer of ferrocrete, a mixture of concrete and steel-like materials bonded at the molecular level." Also, answering the earlier comments a little late, it was called ferroconcrete in Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon, which I think is its first appearance. -- Darth Culator ^{(Talk)(Kills)} 18:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The question is, whether the ferrocrete and ferroconcrete are really the same thing. Do we have a source stating either that ferroconcrete is bonded on molecular level, or that these two are the same? If not, it implies there are two different substances: ferrocrete (low-level-bonded) and ferroconcrete (same as in real world, concrete with metal bars in it). NLoriel 06:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

fericrete -> ferrocrete -> feroconcrete Edit

I've been researching ferrocrete to do some at home, and I think that the etymology is thus;

1. fericrete (wikipedia it) is - as the name implies - a conglomorate cemented together by ferrous compounds. e.g. something like sandstone or mudstone, with iron oxides holding the sand/mud particles together.

2. english-speaking engineers borrow 'fericrete' and anglicise to 'ferrocrete', by which they mean concrete ('-crete') with more iron/steel ('ferro') reinforcing strips/rods/netting than typical steel-reinforced concrete. The latter usually has 1 or 2 cm reinforcing rods per 5 or 10cm width, while ferrocrete has a lot more but finer steel units. e.g. 1 layer of fine chicken wire or other welded steel mesh per 3 to 5mm of concrete depth, and the concrete has no large aggregate - just sand. The mesh provides strength under tension and dispersal of forces; the concrete provides strength under compression.

3. Lucas lucasizes 'ferrocrete' to 'feroconcrete' to make it easier to understand by the masses, and lucasizes the technology/science from embedding the mesh/rods (which relies on gross adhesion and friction) to 'molecular bonding' which sounds fancier and higher-strength.

fericrete -> ferrocrete -> feroconcrete Edit

I've been researching ferrocrete to do some at home, and I think that the etymology is thus;

1. fericrete (wikipedia it) is - as the name implies - a conglomorate cemented together by ferrous compounds. e.g. something like sandstone or mudstone, with iron oxides holding the sand/mud particles together.

2. english-speaking engineers borrow 'fericrete' and anglicise to 'ferrocrete', by which they mean concrete ('-crete') with more iron/steel ('ferro') reinforcing strips/rods/netting than typical steel-reinforced concrete. The latter usually has 1 or 2 cm reinforcing rods on 10cm spacing, while ferrocrete has a lot more but finer steel units. e.g. 1 layer of fine chicken wire or other welded steel mesh per 3 to 5 mm of concrete, and the concrete has no large aggregate - just sand. The mesh provides strength under tension and dispersal of forces; the concrete provides strength under compression.

3. Lucas lucasizes 'ferrocrete' to 'feroconcrete' to make it easier to understand by the masses, and lucasizes the technology/science from embedding the mesh/rods (which relies on gross adhesion and friction) to 'molecular bonding' which sounds fancier and higher-strength.

The article body - " Ferroconcrete, or ferrocrete, was a composite building material made from the combination of concrete and iron that was molecularly bonded to produce a substance with exceptional resistance to wear and tear. " looks like a quote from ht tp : //wresc . org/wsferro . htm

But there isn't molecular bonding as such in ferocrete; it's more properly a combination of adhesion, friction, and obstruction between the mesh and the concrete; - the mesh adheres to the concrete somewhat, so there is some bonding, but because the concrete and mesh are gross structures it's normally called adhesion - the shape of the mesh wires causes friction as it is pulled through the concrete - if the structure is failing under tension - which gives it a large work of fracture. Same principle as fibreglass. - the spaces in the mesh contain 'pillars' of concrete continuous with the rest of the concrete, so the mesh can't be pulled out without breaking the wires of the mesh, or the welding and/or ties joining the wires, or fracturing the concrete