I request that this article be moved to Battle of Mon Calamari (Galactic Civil War) to fit in with everything else, and to keep this in-universe. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:58, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• Well I'll move it but the article still needs attention to rid it of oou. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:00, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Sources, please 2 Ackbar 3 This needs to be deleted... 4 Title

Sources, please Edit

I'm starting to get tired of battle-entries where contributors simply name-drop every single Imperial vehicle they can find. I mean, "Venator-class destroyers"? Where did they appear in the battle?! Please provide sources for unknown entries or else they'll be cut from the article. VT-16 16:12, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• I'm starting to pull out vehicles that are not shown in the comic pages. --SparqMan 21:17, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Leave them in. This was considered the "bigest battle the Alliance fought" but I don't think Palpatin ewould send Venerators to attack such a heavily-defended world. -SWF

AckbarEdit

Was Admiral Ackbar actually at the Battle? I don't recall actually seeing him in any of the pages actually at Mon Calamari. Of course, it did always strike me as odd that I didn't see him, as this was his home planet. -- SFH 02:42, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

This needs to be deleted... Edit

Um, many of the battles in the Empire at War are strictly designed for game play, not to be actual canon events. Having a fleet battle at Mon Calamari right before the Battle of Yavin contradicts multiple older sources, including the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook. The Calamarians overthrew their Imperial opressors a few years before Yavin, but there was no massive battle between Alliance warhsips and Imperial ones. AdmiralNick22 20:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• We don't have to delete this. We just have to go to the history section and change it back to an earlier version. But we should probably get some more consensus before we go ahead and do that. -- SFH 22:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The whole thing is screwed up. First Battle of Dac used to refer to the battle fought during the Reborn Emperor's campaign. To make things right, we need to revert this to that battle. Furthermore, all the Battle of Dac's are off by one now. This is a mess... AdmiralNick22 23:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. This is a mess. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 23:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Admiral Nebulax, would you assit me in fixing this? Here is the problem laid out: First off, there technically is a Battle of Dac that occured a few years prior to the Battle of Yavin, but there are no major details on it. In fact, the only details on it are found in Genosis and the Outer Rim. Empire at War decided to include this battle in the wrong time frame and with totally inaccurate facts, like large fleets, Ackbar, etc. After this the next battle that Dac experiences in the one during the campaign of the Reborn Emperor. After that comes the battle against Daala, where she destroys a few cities. In all, there are three Battles of Dac for the GCW. We need to set this right. AdmiralNick22 23:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
        • I'll see what I can do. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 23:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Wait, wouldn't the very first GCW Battle of Dac/Mon Calamari be the conquest of Dac, when a Quarren sabotaged the planetary shields allowing the Imperials to move in? —Silly Dan _(talk) 23:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That is the problem with this whole situation: there are numerous battles that were fought on Dac. You have two battles on Dac during the Clone Wars- one when the Dark Reaper attacked and the second when the Kit Fisto led Republic troops to aid the Mon Cals against the Seppie backed Quarren. Then, in the rise of the Empire era, you have the conquest of Dac by Imperial forces. After that, a few years before Yavin, the Mon Cals and Quarren overthrow their opressors, eventually joining the Alliance. Then, after Endor, you have the battle fought against the World Devastators, followed a year later by Daala's attack. Lastly, you have the Yuuzhan Vong attack on Dac. In all, you technically have seven damed battles. We NEED to set this straight. It may take creating a few new entries and shuffling the rest, but it needs to be done. AdmiralNick22 23:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
    • So, this battle would be the Third Battle of Dac (Galactic Civil War). Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 23:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
      • No, it would be the second. The first battle of Dac would be when the Empire conquered the world. The second battle of Dac would be when the Mon Calamari and Quarren overthrew their oppressors. The battle from Empire at War is not supported by previous canon, because several point out that Dac was never attacked after it threw out the Empire until the return of the Emperor and his World Devastators.

This is how I would break this down:

Clone Wars

• First Battle of Dac: When the Dark Reaper attacked
• Second Battle of Dac: Battle from Clone Wars cartoon

Galactic Civil War

• First Battle of Dac: When the Empire conquers the world and enslaves its people.
• Second Battle of Dac: When the Mon Cals and Quarren throw out the Empire.
• Third Battle of Dac: Attack by Reborn Palpy's World Devastators.
• Fourth Battle of Dac: When Daala attacks and is replused by Ackbar.

Yuuzhan Vong Invasion

• Battle of Dac: Right before wars end, Alliance victory.

In all there are these seven battles, with the one in Empire at War being totally non-factual. I would toss it out altogether, especially given how it has so many inaccurate factors like large fleet battles and the like. AdmiralNick22 00:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Oops, I meant to say second. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 00:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • So, I am willing to edit these, but I will need help. If someone could put the battles under eahc proper heading, I can fill in all the historical info and the like. AdmiralNick22 19:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Couldn't the First and Second Battles of Dac be considered part of the Imperial era instead of the Galactic Civil War? -- SFH 19:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes! Here is the best case scenario:

Clone Wars

• First Battle of Dac- Dark Reaper attacks
• Second Battle of Dac- Clone War cartoon

Imperial Era

• First Battle of Dac- Empire conquers and enslaves world
• Second Battle of Dac- Free from Empire. This one would be in place of that horrible Empire at War level.

Galactic Civil War

• First Battle of Dac- World Devastator attacks
• Second Battle of Dac- Daala's attacks

Yuuzhan Vong Invasion

• First Battle of Dac

If you guys can help me set up these articles and name them properly, I can totally go to work filling in all the info. AdmiralNick22 22:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Okay, here are what the articles could be titled:

Clone Wars

• First Battle of Dac (Clone Wars)
• Second Battle of Dac (Clone Wars)

Imperial Era

• First Battle of Dac (Imperial Era)
• Second Battle of Dac (Imperial Era)

Galactic Civil War

• First Battle of Dac (Galactic Civil War)
• Second Battle of Dac (Galactic Civil War)

Yuuzhan Vong War

• Battle of Dac (Yuuzhan Vong invasion)

There you go. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 22:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. Now, how do I combine the old Battle of Dac (Clone Wars) with this new one? Furthermore, we now need to put Third Battle of Dac (GCW) into the Second Battle of Dac (GCW). Then we need to put Second Battle of Dac (GCW) into the First Battle of Dac (GCW). Then we need to delete Third Battle of Dac altogether. GAH! What a load of work. I pray to God there are no more battles of Dac. :-) AdmiralNick22 00:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • You never know what the Legacy Era might throw at you... Perhaps there will be a Battle of Dac (Legacy Era)... ;) Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• The first and second battles during the Galactic Civil War have been reverted, and the third is already up for deletion. -- SFH 21:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank you very much. I will now get to working on the new entires for the various battles over Dac. AdmiralNick22 22:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Hope no one minds the addition of youmay templates to the two GCW battles which point to the early Imperial era battles, which some people might think of as part of the GCW. —Silly Dan _(talk) 23:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
        • No, that was a good idea to include. :-) AdmiralNick22 00:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

TitleEdit

I realize this is the twenty-seventh time a title change has been discussed for this article, but even though there's more than one battle here, I wonder if this should be called simply "Battle of Mon Calamari (Galactic Civil War)", and still the second battle be called "Second Battle...". I thought that the Battle of Mon Calamari title has been used in official sources, with no "First". Similar to the way that the film battles are still called "Battle of Yavin" or "Battle of Hoth" on the Wookieepedia, even if there are other battles happening there. Most of these battle titles are created by us here, but I think this one has an official LFL title that should be used. --JMM 15:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)