Talk:Force lightning

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Article milestones Date Process Result 26 January 2007 Good article nomination Failed 13 July 2007 Good article Failed
Current status: Failed good article nominee

Contents 1 Palpatine 2 Force Lightning Users 3 GIFs 4 Limbs and Lightning 5 Vader's force Ball Lightning. 6 Pictures for "skeletton effects" 7 Additonal Effects 8 Mara Jade 9 Inherently corrupting 10 POV 11 Lightning variants in Empire's End 12 How May Hands 13 To block without touching 14 Merge of Force Elemental Powers? 15 Darth Maul

[edit] Palpatine

In the Revenge of the Sith Audio Commentry George Lucas says it was the effects of the lightning that caused Palpatine's appearance to be deformed. This likely happened since the lightning completed a full circle; went back in the same person who was throwing it out.

• Lucas never said such a thing in the Commentary. The closest thing to what you claim is John Knoll's comment "after Palpatine's face was deformed by Force lightning.." or something like that, which proves nothing. --Master Starkeiller 00:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I'll look into that.

I think the yellow eyes is a result of a Sith's anger: Look at Anakin after Obi-Wan cuts him down in Revenge of the Sith: Anakin is clearly in a rage and has eyes like the lightning casting Palpatine.

• • The only indisputable G-canonial evidence existing that usage of the Dark Side changes the appearance of the user is Anakin's eyes from Ep. 3. And while lightning being responsible has been fan conjecture for years, there is no proof that lightning is in fact responsible, at least no more than any other usage of the dark side.

[edit] Force Lightning Users

Do we really need that last bullet in the Users section? Most of those listed there are just Darth Travesties anyway. No body really likes Darth Talon, or can even recall who he is off the top of their head. --- 05:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)MaxW

After typing that I looked at Darth Talon's article and found out that he is actually a she. I told you nobody really cared. --- 05:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)MaxW

[edit] GIFs

Why was the GIF removed? The X-wing, A-wing, and all those other articles have GIFs, and no one removes them, so why remove the GIF from force lightning? The one in Force Lightning is far better then those other ones. If you remove the GIF from this article, then you should remove them from 'all' articles, not just one article (that's plain unfair to remove a GIF from one article, and leave them in others) Besides, an Admin (Kuralyov) made a minor edit on this article, and didn't remove the GIF, so he apparently didn't have a problem with it.

• Those are actually supposed to be removed. Thank you for informing me. -- SFH 19:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Limbs and Lightning

Can somebody point out to me a single canonical source that states Force Lightning actually requires fingertips to shoot from. I believe this "fact" is fan conjeture, conjured on the basis that Vader never used the power, which there could be other reasonable explanations for. Other Force powers can be cast without the use of gestures and hand movements, so why not Lightning? And what about species without hands? If an organic limb is required at all to fire Lightning from, then why not the leg or a tail?DarthMRN

• I am 100% sure that "organic limbs required to cast lightning" was stated in reference materials around EP3's release. Most likely EP3 Visul Dict. Darth Kevinmhk 15:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • In fact, Vader's legs and arms were artificial, and he would never be able to summon lightning From Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. Darth Kevinmhk 15:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
    • If I am to take that quote literally, it implies that you actually could use your leg to fire lightning from, lol. Now there's some unexplored FanFilm potential.
      • There was a sentence following, stating Vader's legs could no longer perform graceful Force jump, not implying legs & lightning. Darth Kevinmhk 13:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Maybe not gracefully, but he could still do it right? I mean, he did so in at least two games I have played, and he was able to land safely when Luke pushed him off the carbon-freeze platform in ESB.
          • Yes, he could still Force jump, which is beyond the topic of this page. Darth Kevinmhk 14:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Something just occurred to me. In that game, Jedi Starfighter, it is possible to cast lightning from the ship you are flying. Wheter or not lightning should be usable in space is another discussion, but unless Adi Gallia had an open cockpit out in space to shoot from her hand, that is clearly a case of C-canon lightning being shot from dead matter.DarthMRN
        • rememeber hands signlas were not nesscercery, i mean the gesture of a hand, it just helped the Jedi concentrate, in anycase it is canon for a Jedi in space to use Lightning, Jaina Solo once did i believe or she wanted to?. Jedi Dude 16:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
          • Hands were used to concentrate in telekinetics, but lightning indeed needs a limb to cast/direct/project the bolts, OS Q&A has explained as much. I dont remember Jaina used lightning in space, though. Darth Kevinmhk 03:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
• So, how does that affect continuity then? Until this has been retconned, it violates the fact that you actually need limbs to cast lightning. Shouldn't the article be temporarily altered to reflect this?DarthMRN
• what? no it doesn't, you do actually need limbs thats the point. this discussion is happening with vader to, its mad. you need a organic limbs to use it, likem Lumiya says for the strongest powers. Jains used lightning in dark journey in space i think, i'll look into it. Jedi Dude 09:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
• Why not? We have Jedi Starfighter (C-canon) shooting lightning from the hull of a starship, and then we have that book, The rise of Darth Vader (C-canon) stating Vader could never cast lightning because he had no organic limbs to cast them from, only prostetics. These are clearly contradictory, so how can we just ignore them? We editors of Wookieepedia have no right to make arbitrary desicions on which C-canon material holds precedence over which. So why should this not be edited, at least until LF or whoever gets their finger out and decides to make games S-canon so we can avoid this crap. DarthMRN
  • Ah, but, from what I gather, the Jedi in Jedi Starfighter shooting lightning from the hull of his/her ship DOES have organic limbs. The question it answers is whether lightning can travel from limbs THROUGH non-organic material to hit something else; an entirely different question than whether the lightning can ORIGINATE from non-organic material. -BaronGrackle 10:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Wheter you are correct or not must be up to poeple who have actually played the game to say, for the few screenshots I have tracked down are too unclear to show if the bolts originate from the vessel itself or from within it. Either way, it sounds like something that should be altered or added to the article.DarthMRN
      • i have the game, it comes from the Jedi, Adi Galia not the ship , just like the otherpowers she uses in the game. She has her limbs as im sure you know. Jedi Dude 18:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Of course she is the source, but can you clearly see it shoot from through the hull or does it shoot from the fighter bow with a flash of light or something? She obviously isn't having an open cockpit in space to shoot from. Besides, since the cockpit is located at the rear of the fighter, it should be easy to discern where the lightning originates.DarthMRN
        • Additional reference on the matter, from OS Q&A: Players of Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter will note that Force lightning is an ability available in the game, but that's a game-play convention. While the core story of Jedi Starfighter does fit into overall Star Wars continuity, the actual mechanics take a number of liberties for the sake of making the game more exciting. Darth Kevinmhk 14:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Darth Vader didn't use Force lightining because if he did it would ruin his life support systems, hence that is why he died. Derek Yoda's friend 01:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• A trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32575.html) for the game The Force Unleashed shows us Darth Vader using force lightning in combat. 86.110.172.50 18:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• We should removed remove the vader can't use lightning thing.

[edit] Vader's force Ball Lightning.

I think there should be a section added about Vader's ball lightning in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.{{SUBST:User:Boba Fett:Motorcycle Cop/sig}} 03:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Official Site Q&A section has stated that it is NOT Force lightning. Darth Kevinmhk 04:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • then why can vader use force lightning in game like Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith the video game and Star Wars Galaxies.
    • Those instances are not considered canon.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 02:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Why arent those instances not considered canon? 69.23.65.113 21:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Higher canon says he could not use Force lightning. Games often contradict established canon.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 21:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
          • If that wasnt force lightning in splinter of the minds eye then what was it? Some random force power that vader learned that looks like lighning or was it something else, but what? 69.23.65.113 21:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
            • Force destruction maybe? It's the only Force power that I know that's even close. JoJoTrue 21:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
              • To what its description says maybe, but it doesn't look like force destruction very much, it seems to look more like a bolt of lightning to me. 69.23.65.113 21:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
                • Perhaps he was summoning an extremely small, weak Force Storm (Wormhole), those things look to me like their practically charged with Force Lightning. Darth Vatrir
                  • Now that I think of it, It does seem to slightly look like it.... 69.23.65.113 02:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
                    • Kinetite. Enough said. 128.227.105.242 22:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
                    • Not enough said. The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader explains that the kaiburr crystal amplified Vader's force abilities so that he could use lightning.

[edit] Pictures for "skeletton effects"

Hi everybody, need your help here. I was thinking that a screenshot showing Mace's skeletton would be good to illustrate a very powerfull Force-lightning such as Palpatine's, but I can't make up my mind on which one would be the best. So I took three of the best ones and I submit them to you. Note that the same can be done with Darth Vader in RotJ.

Windu-lightning-effects-1.jpg

Windu-lightning-effects-3.jpg

• If you ask me the first one looks best, It has the best view of the skull. Maybe put it under the Effect of Force lightning section. Darth Xarcon 2:22, 6 August 2006
  • the second one, becasue not only does this show a good view of the skeletton effect, but it shows the actual lightning to. Jedi Dude 19:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
    • i've added the pic, thank you Jedi Dude 19:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Looks good, thanks for putting it in. Darth Xarcon 3:00, 6 August 2006

[edit] Additonal Effects

In The Truce at Bakura, it's revealed that Luke has suffered partial bone calcification from the his exposure, and requires medical attention. Anyone else feel that's worth mentioning in the article? -JC

Yes, it is...very interesting. Thefourdotelipsis 10:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• Hasn't this been brought up before?--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 21:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mara Jade

• When does she use Force lightning? Atarumaster88 ^{(Audience Chamber)} 16:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Possibly Mysteries of the Sith, but then the question is whether she's actually seen using it in a cutscene, or if it's just something that the player has the option of using; in which case you couldn't say that she was *known* to have used it. Also, same question about Kyle Katarn. 68.44.13.236 03:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • The Joiner King, pg. 412. Firebird 09:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inherently corrupting

Force lightning was not strictly available only to those who have fallen to the dark side. Jedi and other light-siders who were strong of will and character could learn this power without falling to the dark side–but its use was always inherently corrupting, and shunned by most Jedi.

Quote from the article. What sort of inherent corruption are we talking about here? And what are the sources? This very article says that there is no clear connection between the physical corruption and lightning, and we know light-siders weren't directly affected by its use, other than perhaps letting its destructive power get to their heads. So what is this corruption all about? DarthMRN 22:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The line about Luke surviving the sith lightning being nothing short of a force mericle, isn't that POV? -Obi-Two-Knobi

I guess.--Windu223 18:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lightning variants in Empire's End

In Empire's End, Palpatine uses two interesting variants of Force lightning. During the final confrontation on Onderon, Palpatine blows a hole in Empatojayos Brand with a single concentrated blast of energy. Palpatine then proceeds to kill Rayf Ysanna instantly by casting several linear, thin beams of lightning at him that seem to tear straight through the boy's body. --Exor 01:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How May Hands

Do to this page having a "source needed" link after it mentions that lighitng can be done out of 1 or both hand, i'll provide a source. A cut scene in KOTOR2 had Nihilus attacking Sion with force lighitng comeing out of just one hand, granted, sicne this is cut content it's non-canon, here's the link to the scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IobIhctxRXg Destroyer Droid 17:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Not only is that scene non-canon, it's fanon. It was a video created by a fan and the he didn't know what effects to use so he used a jumbled up assortment of them. Not a suitable source. And besides, KOTOR itself is a source since all lightning used by the player comes out of one hand. --Redemption^Talk 17:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Er... I didn't know the scene was fanon, sorry. Destroyer Droid 17:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the fact most video games have the lightning come out of one hand is because the player's character is holding a weapon with the other. I can give a concrete source though, in Episode II Dooku/Tyranus attacks Anakin with lightning comeing out of just 1 hand. Destroyer Droid 19:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To block without touching

Is it possible that someone like vader who can't block force lighning could create a barrier tin front of him that absorbs force lighning? or, couldn't that 'wormhole' power be used to suck the bolts away?--216.210.97.64 06:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of Force Elemental Powers?

After we merge Force Storm here as per consensus (Forum:CT Archive/Merge Force Power variants?), will we merge the other elemental powers? Such as Electric Judgment or Force Destruction? They have to be related. Is there an in-universe name that encompasses every elemental attack a Jedi/Sith would use, something less exclusive than "lightning"? -BaronGrackle 01:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• Electric Judgment, maybe - Destruction, no. They're more than different enough to justify their own articles, and there's really nothing linking them together in the first place. Besides, if we were going to go as far as Directly Lethal Dark Side Powers we might as well merge everything into Dark Side of the Force and call it a day. I don't think anybody would want that. Din's Fire 997 06:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm the one who merged Shock, Storm, and Chain lighting here (becuase they are all lightning variants). I didn't merge Electric Judgement here with the other lightning variants becuase I wasn't sure if it was strictly a variant of the traditional "Sith" lightning, since it was created as a light side ability by a Jedi master. So I just left it out. 96.233.191.151 14:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Darth Maul

I can'r remember which Star Wars Insider said it, but the particular issue in question said that Maul could use Force lightning. Also, Gentle Giant has released a statue of Maul with forks of lightning coming out of his right hand, and with his saberfstaff in his left.--Jedi Kasra 23:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)