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"First Galactic Empire" vs "Galactic Empire" Edit

I do realize that the name "Galactic Empire" is very solidly established OOU, but I wonder if the more official name of that regime (from an IU perspective) shouldn't be "First Galactic Empire" instead. The encyclopedia does use it a few times (three times actually) and, more importantly, that's how Palpatine called his own regime during the declaration of a New Order. Should we move the page? --Lelal Mekha Old Republic military symbol (Audience Room) 02:05, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Reorganized into the First Order? Edit

I see them as separate entities, not as the Empire reorganized. The First Order may be made up of former Imperial officers, and they may be inspired by it in many ways, even using a similar style, but I don't think that means the Empire became the FO. It's still very unclear. Reddyredcp (talk) 05:06, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

    • The First Order was formed from remnants of the Empire, but not completely reorganized. I am sure, and I get the sense, that the Empire and various other remnant states exist. The First Order is merely one of several, albeit the most dangerous. Darth Ravigious (talk) 20:15, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

More Imperial Factions by the Force Awakens Edit

Just wanted to state that Pablo Hidalgo answered a question on twitter asking if the Imperial government was still around by the time of The Force Awakens. He said that the Empire was split into various remnant factions and factions inspired by the Empire besides the First Order by the time of Episode VII. This should be stated in the article, in my own opinion. Darth Ravigious (talk)

  • I think we should wait an in-universe material about the matter. All will become much clear, possibly in Aftermath: Empire's End. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:14, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Before we go into detail, I agree, but here's something we could say at the very end. "Although the Empire had collapsed in the years following the Battle of Jakku, small independent remnant factions remained after the Empire's fragmentation, although they were of little threat to the much more widespread New Republic." Darth Ravigious (talk)
      • I think there's a bit too much extrapolation in that version (specifically the "of little threat" part). I'd say something like "After the collapse of the centralized Galactic Empire, small Imperial remnants still remained active in the galaxy, some of which were compromised of sectors looking for independence." Then the article could follow that up with information about the First Order. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:26, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
        • I like that better. And it could bridge to the First Order by starting the next paragraph by saying something like "Perhaps the most organized of these splinter factions was the First Order, a military junta established by former Imperial leaders who fled into the Unknown Regions following the conclusion of the Galactic Civil War." Or, possibly, some information from Bloodline could be incorporated, talking about how many of the centrists wished for the Republic to join forces with former Imperial leaders and adopt their ideological stances in terms of how they relate to the centralization of power and military might. The Centrists were essentially neocons. Darth Ravigious (talk) 17:31, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Grand Moff Randd - Self Appointed? Edit

In the article, it says "Self-appointed Grand Moffs such as Valco Pandion, Randd and other military leaders began to jockey for power". I think I have read through all of the canon material involving Randd, the Grand Moff of the Exterior, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned that he was self-appointed, unlike Pandion. Was it said in Lost Stars? I don't quite remember what was said of him in that novel. MmmmNapalm (talk) 19:13, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

  • I think you're right. In Aftermath: Life Debt, it sounded like he had been serving in the position for a while. I would change it, so that it's just Pandion who was self appointed, as Randd was part of the Shadow Council, and not really in a position to seek power, with Rae Sloane and Gallius Rax looking over him. --Tommy-Macaroni (talk) 19:21, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

Political nature of the EmpireEdit

This is a bit of a nitpick, but calling the Empire a fascist dictatorship seems to me to be inaccurate, regardless of how an in-universe sculptor might describe a propaganda piece. It seems to be more accurate to call the Empire an autocracy, because all of the power in the Empire was concentrated in Palpatine himself, who was acknowledged by his government and his subjects as a monarch/emperor. Additionally, in Tarkin, an autocracy was how Tarkin described what Dooku was attempting to transform the Republic into. Dooku then obliquely confirmed that he was attempting to do just that, only with Palpatine at the helm and not himself (obliquely to the Tarkin anyway, as the reader would of course know exactly what he was talking about). As such, I'm going to alter the bit in the description box that calls the Empire a fascist dictatorship and replace it with autocracy, because that's just better way of describing the government of the Empire. --Alucard10001 (talk) 18:43, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

Well, on the topic of what to refer to the Imperial government as in the infobox, I also don't see why stratocracy should be kept as a separate label. Seems like unnecessary clogging to me. I think "Stratocratic autocracy" would work fine, even if it was a stratocracy "in its later years." Reddyredcp (talk) 02:30, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

  • You may be right with regard to the infobox being cluttered, but a stratocracy is actually a reasonably accurate way to describe the Empire after Palpatine died, as it was essentially governed by the remaining Imperial military officials with at least a fair amount of legitimacy granted by existing Imperial law. A case could probably be made for the Empire devolving into, I dunno, a military junta or something but I don't know off the top of my head what the difference technically is. Also, not important at all, but a "stratocratic autocracy" can't really exist. An autocracy must by definition concentrate all political power into one individual, who is himself above the law, whereas a stratocracy is government by numerous military officials. I certainly wouldn't mind someone looking into the matter more closely for the sake of concision or accuracy however. -- Alucard10001 (talk) 17:18, October 10, 2017 (UTC)
    • While the Empire was certainly autocratic and stratocratic, it was also fascist. In addition to Janyor of Bith stating that one of the Empire's propaganda pieces had an "unflinching fascist image," in Star Wars: Commander, Liana Kor, a rebel agent, specifically calls an Imperial operative a "fascist." To me, this is more than enough to definitively say that the Empire was fascist. Fascism in itself is even described as "militant authoritarianism," so also stating that it was autocratic would be repetitive. Icon Faction ImperialCommander Boots 05:09, November 4, 2017 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry but a verified rebel propagandist (Janyor) and another rebel agent calling a government that they don't like fascistic is not proof of anything. Also, defining fascism as "militant authoritarianism" is simplistic to the point of being useless. There have been hundreds of militantly authoritarian systems of government running all the way back to ancient times (most of them probably fit under this category), and the ideology of fascism was not invented until the early 20th century. Though there is much overlap between autocratic systems of government and fascistic ones, fascism is a word that is used to describe a very specific set of political and economic structures, and the Empire simply does not meet the necessary criteria to be accurately termed fascistic. Palpatine was the sole arbiter of political power as an affirmed Emperor ruling over a legal system that he alone was completely above. As such, and in accordance with pretty much every other empire that has ever existed, it is much more accurate to define the Galactic Empire as an autocracy. -- Alucard10001 (talk) 15:42, November 9, 2017 (UTC)

Imperial Remnant?Edit

The Republic did allow the Empire to continue to exist but also ordered what was left of the Imperial government to disband but did the Empire transform into Imperial Remnant? In Bloodline it is somewhat hinted as it stated there is an Imperial power in remote sectors in the Outer Rim. In Legends, the Imperial Remnant was based out their including it capital Bastion, which is technically now Canon. -- Tokra (talk) 14:05, December 27, 2017 (UTC)