Talk:Huttese
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How are we sure that Greedo was speaking Huttese. Rodians speak Rodese don't they? -- Riffsyphon1024 01:19, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- I think that his lines were later ported ~in EU sources dubbed as Huttese, so that leaves the Rodese question out. MoffRebus 00:58, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Organization
I broke the large "Common Words & Phrases" section into several smaller sections for greater usability. Devaros 18:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Vocabulary
Is it possible or legal to paste in this article all the known vocabulary? If yes, I can make an attempt personally MoffRebus 00:58, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
[edit] EP VI
- The Huttese language was introduced in Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. In the 1997 release of Episode IV, it was adapted for the newly recorded dialogue of Jabba the Hutt.
I think that Jabba's dialogue in VI is in the same language as Greedo's in IV (at least sounds like so), and except that, it was not newly recorded for the 1997 re-release. MoffRebus 12:46, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Phrase
Not sure if what I just added is right. The phrase goes Sie batha ne beechee ta Jemba? 'Are you talking about me, the Great Jemba?' Would just the part Sie batha ne beechee? translate to 'Are you talking about me?' --Xwing328 00:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Humans
Isn't Huttese supposed to be very difficult for humans to speak properly? Red XIV 11:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Not that I'm aware of - Anakin Skywalker had no problem with it talking to Sebulba in Episode I. jSarek 11:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ithorian and Shyriiwook are both difficult for humans. Cutch 18:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- In The Hutt Gambit, Han tells Jiliac that he can understand Huttese with no problem, but would mangle it if he tried to speak it. Red XIV 14:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I know lots of folks who understand other languages but would mess them up if they tried to speak them... but there are other people who can speak them just fine. Cutch 17:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Audio?
Since Huttese is the most common alien language in the films, maybe someone can add an audio file of it for this artical. Dylax 20:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think the article Jabba has a sample. And it's written 'article' :) MoffRebus 23:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- *smacks hand on forehead* cant believe I spelled that wrong. Well if no one minds I'll add the Jabba sample. Dylax 00:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rodians
"Huttese was so influential that it also became the language of the Rodian race, rendering the Old Rodese obsolete." Truth? I know that Greedo spoke Huttese to Han in Mos Eisley (and, if we extend the implication to Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina, then he and his family spoke to each other in Huttese even before fleeing to a Hutt world), but did Rodians generally speak Huttese even on Rodia? -BaronGrackle 17:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- That's pretty close to what the Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide says. Cutch 20:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- However, Star Wars Roleplaying Game and its different supplements, including among others Ultimate Alien Anthology, talk about Rodese as a living language: "Rodians speak Rodese and Basic, and many learn to speak Huttese as well" (pg 129, Ultimate Alien Anthology). Different Rodians appear as speakers of both Rodese and Huttes, including Clezo, Avaro Sookcool (both Rebellion Era Sourcebook), Velsey (Star Wars Gamer 8), Drooto Sploonore (Star Wars Gamer 6), Beekly Grimlok (Coruscant and the Core Worlds) and the Bomu Clan pilots (Tempest Feud). Non-rodians fluent in both Rodese and Huttese include more than a few (Darth Sidious, Jodo Kast, Xizor, Talon Karrde, Booster Terrik, Mika the Hutt...). My list covers 59 entries of non-Rodians fluent in Rodese (thou some of them refer to the same character). Upon the Wizards RPG, there are a great amount of people strangely interested in learning a dead language without any prestige at all. - Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC);
- My understanding is that Huttese is just a common lingua franca on the multiethnic planet. Going from "Greedo speaks it to Han" (rather than speaking at him in Rodese, which Han almost certainly would not understand) to "All Rodians speak Huttese", is quite the stretch. You know, I'm starting to wonder if this place shouldn't adopt the Memory Alpha approach, and use inline paranthetical citations to indicat source. For now, I'm changing the article to a more modest claim. --GenkiNeko 19:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Although I of course agree with GenkiNeko's approach to the subject, I personally think that the article should include a reference to "many [Rodians] learn to speak Huttese as well [as their native Rodese]". Maybe we could include something like that? And by the way, the RPG specifies that Nimbanels are also fluent in both their native language and Huttese.
- I said it once, I'll say it again: consult the Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide. Cutch 22:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, Cutch, the Guide specifically says that Huttese replaced Rodese as the language of the Rodians. However, Ultimate Alien Anthology, another canonical source, specifically contradicts that by saying that Rodians speak Rodese, some also learn Basic and some learn Huttese as well - thus, upon the Anthology, Rodese has not been replaced by Huttese, and the RPG specifies Rodese as one of the most spoken languages in the galaxy during all the eras. We are facing a dilemma here. I suggest to talk about it as long as needed trying to find an agreement we all can accept. Personally, I will not be pleased until we can find a way to specify the information of both sources without any contradiction. I know the Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide specifies one thing; there must be a way to make it work with the Ultimate Alien Anthology statement, something like Curtis Saxton's works. -- Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- We can cling to the fact that the Guide is in-universe and "written" by Ebenn Q3 Baobab. People get information wrong in books all the time, and it looks like this may be the case with Mr. Baobab. However, that's not our only contradiction:
- Yes, Cutch, the Guide specifically says that Huttese replaced Rodese as the language of the Rodians. However, Ultimate Alien Anthology, another canonical source, specifically contradicts that by saying that Rodians speak Rodese, some also learn Basic and some learn Huttese as well - thus, upon the Anthology, Rodese has not been replaced by Huttese, and the RPG specifies Rodese as one of the most spoken languages in the galaxy during all the eras. We are facing a dilemma here. I suggest to talk about it as long as needed trying to find an agreement we all can accept. Personally, I will not be pleased until we can find a way to specify the information of both sources without any contradiction. I know the Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide specifies one thing; there must be a way to make it work with the Ultimate Alien Anthology statement, something like Curtis Saxton's works. -- Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I said it once, I'll say it again: consult the Galactic Phrase Book and Travel Guide. Cutch 22:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Although I of course agree with GenkiNeko's approach to the subject, I personally think that the article should include a reference to "many [Rodians] learn to speak Huttese as well [as their native Rodese]". Maybe we could include something like that? And by the way, the RPG specifies that Nimbanels are also fluent in both their native language and Huttese.
- "Going from 'Greedo speaks it to Han' (rather than speaking at him in Rodese, which Han almost certainly would not understand)" Funny you mention that. In Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina: A Hunter's Fate: Greedo's Tale, the source where we obtain almost all of our canonical information on Greedo, he speaks Rodese. And, apparently, so can Han:
- "By the way, I understand Rodian, so you can turn off the squawk box."
- ―Han Solo to Greedo, referring to an electronic translator
Not a typo. According to the story, Greedo speaks this language from his childhood on some jungle planet separate from Hutt influence, and when he finally does meet Jabba, he cannot understand what the Hutt says without a translation. Now the question I have is this: Skippy Farlstendoiro gave us a list of non-native speakers of Rodese, the "dead" language. Can we place Han Solo on this list? Considering the only source we have, while a valid source, has been nullified on the situational instance that would have had Han declaring such a language proficiency? -BaronGrackle 14:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- The role-playing game (Wizards) only specifies three languages for Han Solo: Basic, Huttese and Shyriiwook (and by the way, he can only speak Shyriiwook, not read or write it). My experience shows that this information, although canonical, is not exhaustive. For instance, Zsinj is listed as fluent only in Basic, Huttese and Calamarian (Rebellion Era Sourcebook), while the novels say that he knows dozens of languages - this means that Zsinj speaks Calamarian and Huttese, besides of the languages he might have spoken in the novels. Worse: C-3PO only knows Basic and Binary (Revised Core Rulebook), while other canon sources specify that he is fluent in Bocce, Ewokese and other languages. Similarly, the RPG does not specify Han as Rodese-fluent, but he can still be if other sources say so - at least, this is my point of view. - Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Then I propose we use one of the ideas mentioned at Forum: Canon Contredictions. Cutch 16:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- The role-playing game (Wizards) only specifies three languages for Han Solo: Basic, Huttese and Shyriiwook (and by the way, he can only speak Shyriiwook, not read or write it). My experience shows that this information, although canonical, is not exhaustive. For instance, Zsinj is listed as fluent only in Basic, Huttese and Calamarian (Rebellion Era Sourcebook), while the novels say that he knows dozens of languages - this means that Zsinj speaks Calamarian and Huttese, besides of the languages he might have spoken in the novels. Worse: C-3PO only knows Basic and Binary (Revised Core Rulebook), while other canon sources specify that he is fluent in Bocce, Ewokese and other languages. Similarly, the RPG does not specify Han as Rodese-fluent, but he can still be if other sources say so - at least, this is my point of view. - Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
