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Are the links to classes very useful? What more would an article for "Class X hyperdrive" say than "This hyperdrive class travels at 1/Xth the speed of a Class 1 hyperdrive"? JSarek 05:47, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

  • You're right, they aren't useful at all. JimRaynor55 05:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Oops. I guess you're right. I'll delink them. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • It might be useful if it were used in conjunction with the ship articles, allowing us to create a speed comparison chart.--Eion 06:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Sparq

Did you write this all yourself? I hope you're up to creating articles for all that technology. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:43, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I wrote it all by my bigboy self. --SparqMan 16:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Looks nice. I guess we'll have articles for each class of hyperdrive then. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:53, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rakata

Please give a source on the Rakata as the source for delivering hyperdrive technology to the Corellians. I've never seen that explicitly listed. --SparqMan 16:53, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • I think it was pulled out of his ass. Everything I've read says that the species was unknown and from the Unknown Regions.--Spanky The Dolphin 10:46, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

What sources qualify for listing in the Appearances section of this article? Hyperdrives appear in almost every Star Wars story. --SparqMan 01:58, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I agree hyperdrive's are far too common to be listed in appearances. --Dumac 05:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timothy Zahn trilogy

If I recall correctly, when Zahn is apparently labeling the hyperdrives incorrectly, he doesn't say "Class" as is indicated in the article but says "point x past lightspeed" (as Han says in the movies "she'll make point five past lightspeed"). I believe he says a Dreadnaught is point four and a Victory Destroyer can make up to point five. I don't know if this is the same system as the Class x system. 69.105.173.14 00:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

When han said .5 past lightspeed i originally though that meant 1.5 the speed of light however, that would be far too slow. --Dumac 05:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] turning?

There is something that has been bugging me lately. I always thought you couldn't turn while in hyperspace. I don't remember any sources that said so, but it seemed to be an understood fact. But what with the whole "hyper route" thing that has come about, it kinda seems to me that you would be able to turn while in hyperspace. --Commander Mike 03:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

  • ANH seems to imply that the nav computer makes a pre-determined route that the ships travel through. So I guess manual turns are not made, but instead this "turning" is simply part of the pre-determined route. AdamwankenobiTalk to me! My home. 04:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I doubt a direct line would work in any situation. If you are going from a point in the galaxy to another point in the galaxy that is on the opposite side you would travel through many obstacles like blackholes. I believe the navicomputer takes measurements while in hyperspace to avoid collisions. After all, Han came out of hyperspace in an astroid field that was Alderan and if he were to be hit by one his ship would be torn to shreds. A dime sized piece of debris in space could punch a hole through steel that is bigger than the dime. Imagine if you were to hit a rock in space. --Dumac 05:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Concur with Dumac on the course plotting thing...The Navicomp would correct for Grav shadows enroute. However, mere asteroids are too small to have hyperspace gravity shadows, so they wouldn't be a navigational hazard enroute, only upon exiting Hyperspace. Most likely (only My opinin, but it certainly SEEMS likely) The Navicomp pre-plots a series of waypoints before entering hyperspace, and flies this pre-plotted course once hyperspace is entered with only minor corrections for unexpected shadows that would indicate a wandering black hole or other unexpected large mass that was as-yet uncharted. (Side note: Han, and other smugglers, apparently routinely disable the safety systems on their hyperdrives on "Shady" runs (presumably so they don't get intercepted by Grav-traps), otherwise Han wouldn't have been so worried about 'Flying right through a star' since the safety systems should prevent that anyway. Red Elven 04:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Remember that when Han flew to Alderaan and came out of hyperspace only to find out that it had been reduced to an asteroid feild, the Nav Computer had recorded Alderaan to still exist as a planet, that's why it still took them to an asteroid feild.

Also, a dime-sized peice of debris might tear a hole in the Falcon, but remember unlike spaceships of today, the Falcon has sheilds. --The truth hurts... 21:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How fast are these ships going?

I was wondering how fast in km/s are the ships going especially one like Han's which makes .5 --Dumac 05:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] So does a hyperdrive allow increased speed or decreased distance or both?

In a new hope Han boasts that his ship could make the Kessler run in less than 12 parsecs. Parsecs are a measure of distance. It is also noted that ships in hyperspace are traveling faster than light. So my question is does a hyperdrive both allow increased speed as well as decreased distance between two points? --Dumac 04:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The distance part has to do with how fast you are going. Black holes such as those in the Maw do not allow you to get too close. If you approach one too closely, you never leave. One book I read had the Falcon going THROUGH the Maw (but missing the Maw Installation). That was supposed to be impossible without knowing safe routes or having a handy Jedi. Such a route would be shorter than going around (considered safe). Even without going through the Maw, you could shorten the distance by hugging the Maw. Going closer to the singularities means you have to be moving very fast to survive. Hence, a fast ship can provide a shorter route. Will 06:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Will's right, and Han's trick in Rebel Dawn also decreased his time because black holes warp time and space. Hyperdrives however only increase speed. The line Han stated in a New Hope, about parsecs was just a mistake and it was retconned in Rebel Dawn. —Unsigned comment by 71.65.80.176 (talk • contribs).

I disagree with the retconn. I do not see it as needed. As stated, a faster route is shorter when gravity is involved. Also, please remember to sign your post. Will (talk -- contribs) 04:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah, the Retconn was both clumsy and unnecessary. Further, given the very nature of how Hyperspace works in various different Sci-Fi settings, it usually involves another dimension where space is compressed, so that the distance in Hyperspace is shorter than in Realspace, so "Less than 12 parsecs" may refer to Han managing to find a particularly heavily compressed area of Hyperspace as a shortcut. The jumpgates in Babylon 5, for example, are a form of Hyperdrive (Albeit slower and more hands-on) I really recoil from EVER Retconning something in the movies...they are the highest Canon, after all. Red Elven 04:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Like Will mentions, I always understood the 12 parsecs line to mean that the Falcon's speed was great enough that Han could plot a closer (hence shorter) course skirting around the edge of the Maw without getting pulled in. Because the Falcon's superior speed let him plot a shorter course than any of his competitors, bragging about his short 12 parsec run was, by extension, bragging about the Falcon's speed. I always thought that made sense. Xavic Kae 14:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yuuzhan Vong do use hyperspace in the NJO series

In the book Destiny's Way, the Galactic Alliance uses interdiction mines to bring the Yuuzhan Vong fleet out of hyperspace near the end of the Battle of Ebaq 9.Will 06:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Hyperspace is simply what the Alliance called it. We know they didn't use hyperdrives so it may not neccesarily be hyperspace, even if the same interdiction methods do work with Vong ships. --beeurd 21:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


There are two weird things about Yuuzhan Vong "hyperspace travel" that I found:

  1. Dovin Basals only pull non-Yuuzhan Vong ships out of hyperspace (which might be due to the communication stuff, but still)
  2. Yuuzhan Vong use Dovin Basals to go to hyperspace, which is weird, since that way they could do stuff like a backwards jump behind a fighter that is following them (Dovin Basals seem to have a lot of control, therefore I suppose they could do that if they are the reason for hyperspace jumps)
    • even thou that might not work because hyperspace jumps might need a LOT of power from the Dovin Basals

Ker 13:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speed ???

I need to know, how many classes are there? Which class = lightspeed (Class 15, Class 30, or some thing lower) ? At Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4 (and be-on) what is you L.Y.P.H. (Lightyears Per Hour)? Double D 18:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

  • It varies; space isn't uniform, and some routes are better charted and therefore faster than others. So a ship that can travel down the length of the Corellian Run in hours may take days to traverse a less-well charted region of space. jSarek 06:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, so if a TIE Advanced (Class 4) and a X-Wing (Class 1) are on Yavin 4, and want to go to Coruscant, if the TIE takes a faster route, it can be there long before the X-Wing, even if they leave at the same time, right? Double D 17:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Bad example. Suppose you are going from Albany, NY to NYC. You might be able to walk that distance faster than a race car could make the trip by going around the world. I suggest you avoid comparing apples and oranges. Will 22:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jumps and clarification

In some of the games and movies it seems to say it can takes days or weeks to cross great distances such as from the outer rim to the core, but in the prequels it seemed to take only hours. Which is it or can any sort of time frame be given for travel time?

Also, I got the impression that due to the threat of gravity wells the method of travel is to travel in a straight line, exit hyperspace, then make course adjustments and make another jump, etc., till a desitnation is reached? Is this the methods used and it might should be made clear in the article? —Unsigned comment by 150.208.202.222 (talk • contribs).

I should note that in Ep 4, the Falcon needs only a few minutes to get from Tatooine to Alderan (or rather, where it had been). It was just long enough for Luke to learn to trust the Force by successfully blocking the shots from the remote. Will 05:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, you did not sign. You should do that with ~~~~. Will 05:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually, the Falcon's trip took a bit longer than that, though not much. Anyway, as the anon originally suggested, yes, widely varying rates of speed in hyperspace can happen. Some routes, like the Corellian Run, can be travelled very quickly (as the Falcon proved by taking it for most of the way to Alderaan, and as Yoda proved by rushing to the rescue from Coruscant to Kamino to Geonosis). Other routes take much longer, because they're not as well charted, or because navigational hazards (nebulae, pulsars, black holes, supernovae, and so forth) force the ships to go slower. jSarek 06:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    • In the first Rogue Squadron book it is said that you can move faster with faster ships not only because of the speed but because you can go closer to gravity sources and will not be pulled out of hyperspace if you are fast enough --Ker 09:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
    • With the Official SW Fact files there was a chart with lengths of hyperspace jumps. I'll see if I can copy it out or something. --beeurd 15:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
    • ...and here it is. User:Beeurd/gazetter --beeurd 16:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperspace-capable starfighters

Is there any particular source that says hyperdrives on starfighters was a new thing during the Clone Wars? I mean, unless there is such a source, I think that it's entirely possible that the technology existed but was phased out after the New Sith Wars, and then brought back again during the Clone Wars. - lalala_la

  • There were starfighters with onboard hyperdrives years before the Clone Wars. I made a few changes so it doesn't sound like none of them did.--Darth OblivionComlink 16:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels is wrong

If you'll notice the classification for the Tie Defender's hyperdrive reads: 'no hyperdrive' when in fact the article actually states it does have one. Additionally I'm certain the speed for the Defender is also way too low(I'm still looking into this based on the description and not what the games say). It looks like they just mistakingly copied the Tie Interceptor speed and hyperdrive rating and posted it for the Tie Defender. Thus I really take that whole chart for a grain of a salt which is really too bad since it's an official publication yet no one caught that. --Anguirus111 21:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

  • What does The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels say about the Defender? Perhaps the newer book is overriding the older version? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Every source, *including* The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, says it has a hyperdrive (Class 2, to be precise). It seems like ol' Spikey Kaiju is right about about the hyperdrive chart in the NEGVV mistakenly copying the Interceptor stats for the Defender. jSarek 21:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Should we make a note of this somewhere on the page or just leave it? --Anguirus111 04:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Maybe a tiny BTS note, but nothing more. It's clearly an error, since the main text of the book agrees with every other description of the Defender as having a hyperdrive. jSarek 05:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Yeah the info box in the NEGTVV of the Tie Defender places it with a Type II hyperdrive and has it's max sublight speed being faster than the Tie Interceptor. They really dropped the ball on that one. --Anguirus111 00:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

  • Just a little question about the appearances section: it says that hyperdrive first appeared in The Empire Strikes Back. I understand that the physical device first appeared then, but the concept was mentioned in A New Hope, and the class system was first mentioned there as well. So shouldn't the first appearance either: a, be moved to A New Hope; or b, which I think would make more sense, have a [first mentioned] mark on A New Hope? It's just a suggestion. Bredd13 05:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speed

Due to a question (albeit from six months ago) I decided to calculate the speed of a ship moving through hyperspace. It is about 787,000,000,000,000,000 m/s, or 787 quadrillion meters per second. That is an incredibly large number: 787 thousand-thousand-thousand-million meters in one second. In SI, it is 2,580,000,000,000,000,000 feet per second; about 2.58 thousand-thousand-thousand-thousand-million feet in one second. And remember: a million is a lot larger than most people think it is. Bredd13 05:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  • That would be 2.58 sextillion ft/sec. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
    • oops, put an extra "thousand" in there. I corrected it. Anyway, its a longer distance than anyone could possibly imagine, all in one second. It's also an impossible speed, at least in this galaxy. (Though most probably impossible in all the universe, though one can never know...) Bredd13 21:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
    • By the way, that's about 87,600,000 times the speed of light. Bredd13 21:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The speed is not impossible, if looked at in a certain point of view. Say you traveled in hyperspace to a destination. The distance from the destination from the starting point is known beforehand. Now divide that by the time it took you to get there. The resulting speed will be greater than the speed of light. Of course, that is not what the ship is traveling at. But it is the distance divided by time taken. It serves the practical purpose of determining how long it will take you go somewhere. That is the kind of speed that is referred to when giving a value to the speed of a faster-than-light ship. For some reason, most people miss this point.--Mjr162006 16:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Malfunctions

You know, when you think about it, if a ship's hyperdrive malfuntioned beyond repair while the ship was in deep space in the middle of nowhere, the ship's crew would be screwed. Considering the insanely large distances in space, we would have another Voyager on our hands... :P Adamwankenobi 05:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

  • In Outbound Flight, the opposite happens. The hyperdrive gets stuck in the "on" position for several hours. And of course, there was the time Luke got stranded in Deep Space in Heir to the Empire -LtNOWIS 06:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperdrive speed

What sources are used in the speed section of the discussion that says the speed through hyperspace is about 87,600,000 times the speed of light? —Unsigned comment by Kadas'sa'Nikto (talk • contribs).

[edit] Dark Side?

Article 49,000 BBY mentions that hyperdrive, like other inventions of the Rakata, was a 'dark side' technology. Where is that mentioned? IF there is an official reference we should mention it in the article (or get rid of the fanon) 09:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Principles of the Hyperdrive

Perhaps some mention should be made in the article of the THEORY behind Hyperdrive. The best explaination I've heard, is that Hyperspace is a parallel dimension where space is compressed. So one parsec in Hyperspace may actually be 10,000 light years in realspace. So once the ship is inside hyperspace, it may take 5 hours to fly 12 parsecs in hyperspace, but exit hyperspace 120,000 light years from their starting point. This would explain Han's use of Parsecs, as your actual "real world" speed really depends on finding a shorter path in hyperspace. Also, perhaps the word "Point" as used in the Star Wars galaxy may be different...Instead of a decimal, it could mean something else, like Point one could be lightspeed, point two could be double light speed, point three could be triple, and so on. A Parsec is about 3.23 light years, so if we knew how long the Kessel Run was in realspace, and the time it took to fly it in the Falcon, we could compute the Falcon's maximum "inside Hyperspace" speed, since we know that the Hyperspace distance the Falcon managed was less than 38.75 light years. Comic book writers' attempts to "correct" the seeming error just threw more confusion on what could have given us a nice insight on Star Wars Hyperdrive.

We know that Star Wars ships actually HAVE FTL drives outside Hyperspace, otherwise Leia, Han, and Chewie would have taken years at sublight speeds to fly from Hoth to Bespin. Red Elven 00:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Interesting theory, but is there a canon source? And the Falcon got to Bespin using a slow, backup hyperdrive.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 10:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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