Talk:Hyperspace

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Contents 1 Force Using Hyperdrives ? 2 Hyperspace Kamizaze 3 Hyperspace Effect 4 Youmay 5 Can't, not can 6 Hyperspace combat? 7 Not Another Dimension 8 The Real Nature of Hyperspace? 9 Changes to the Article 10 Sources 11 Merge articles? 12 Red shift 13 Clone Wars contradiction 14 Mass shadows and failsafes 15 Time 16 jedi 17 Times 18 .3 past lightspeed 19 Time 20 Kamakazie Attack 21 Organized (I hope) list of questions and my unlikely answers 22 SPEED & TIME 23 Alternate Dimension

[edit] Force Using Hyperdrives ?

Ever wondered if hyperspace/hyperdrives unknowingly utilise the Force in some way? After all, the Force has no trouble traversing time or space. Maybe the designers tapped into this without even knowing it. Although it isn't why I thought of the idea, the Rakata used the Force in their spacecraft to propel them (and presumably as a component of 'lightspeed'). I'm not trying to suggest it is the case, rather just toying with an idea. Thoughts? --Fade 21:08, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Maybe the Force aligns hypermatter so that it can be used for high energy power. Just a thought. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• My opinion is that it's bull-honkery. Frankly, the actual article needs some revision to get rid of the "other dimension" junk, and make it more in line with the current tachyonic perspective method, such as described at SWTC's hyperspace page that's linked to.--Spanky The Dolphin 10:43, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Saxton's views are realistic given terrestrial physics, but IU references have been made to hyperspace being an alternate dimension. That seems to hold more credence than Saxtononian analysis. All views should be included. --SparqMan 13:50, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • I like that theory very much. I've always been curious as to the way that the Rakata utilized the force in their technology. And didn't the Duros reverse engineer hyperspace technology from the Rakata beofer the Corellians were "given" the technology by the Whills? Lonnyd 08:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC) (just kidding about that last part)
      • The force is a part of all LIFE... Somehow it doesn't seem likely that it uses the force. and besides, "The republic has been in existance since the discovery of hyperspace, nearly 20,000 years ago" (KOTOR1)... 24,000 to make it current... Isn't that before the Jedi? Jacen Solo 12:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
        • For the record, Tales of the Jedi 3: The Saga of Nomi Sunrider, Part 1 says that hyperdrive was invented (or reinvented) "about 20,000 years before Andur and Nomi's day", which would also be about 24,000 BBY. 68.44.13.236 04:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
          • If the Force is utilized in any way, it would make sense that those who have no training could not jump to hyperspace, like Han Solo. Force being part of 'life', then non-sentient machinery couldn't make use of it, but could assist once the Force variables are supplied by a trained 'Hyper Force' Jedi Pilot.

[edit] Hyperspace Kamizaze

Is it possible to use a hyperspaced ship as a sort of kamikaze weapon? Because a fighter going beyond lightspeeed could easily cripple or destroy a capital ship, while a capital ship going at that speed could cause serious damage (probably destruction) to a planet.

• It would get pulled out of hyperspace by the gravity of the ship/planet before reaching its target. -Vongchild
  • I know this is an old conversation, but I think that actually happened. The Quaestor ruined a planet in a Hyperdrive accident. -LtNOWIS 12:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperspace Effect

How did the guys at ILM do the hyperspace effect when making the original films? What method did they use? -- AdmThrawn --

[edit] Youmay

That {{youmay}} box is pretty funny. I mean, all it does is clearly disambiguate the phenomenon from a website, but the wording makes me laugh. —Darth Culator (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't, not can

According to Wikipedia link Hyperdrive, A ship in hyper space CAN NOT interact with the outside universe. I have corrected this mistake in the artical here. Jacen Solo 11:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You apparently didn't bother with actually reading the article you linked to. In any case, you're wrong. "Without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" -Vermilion 13:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

A ship in WARP can interact with normal space, IE comunicate, plot courses, fight, etc... A ship in HYPERSPACE, can not. The only communication seen via hyper spaced ships in the EU is when Luke and Mara communicated with the force. Jacen Solo

If there was no interaction, it wouldn't be a problem to fly through a star or planet. There is also an incident mentioned in the ROTS:ICS where a ship effectively destroyed a planet by accidently ramming it in hyperspace. -Vermilion 18:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm assuming it was a pretty large capital ship, since a small ship would have been pulled out by the planet's gravity well before it was anywhere near the atmosphere. -- SFH 21:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • A failure in the failsafe? Presumably there's a reason hyperdrives have failsafes to take them out of hyperspace when a mass shadow is sensed. *shrug* Yrfeloran 00:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Thing is, it is impossible to interact with a planet. The mass shadow (gravity) of the planet exists in hyperspace, the planet doesn't. "A failure in the failsafe? Presumably there's a reason hyperdrives have failsafes to take them out of hyperspace when a mass shadow is sensed. *shrug* " I think it's got soemthing to do with overloading the engine. If you read the Corrilean (sp?) trilogy, you'll notice that they had to install extra equiptment (rather then disable failsafes) inorder to get through the indiction field Jacen Solo 15:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

if the ship is traveling faster than light then it should be able to escape any field of gravity possibly even a black hole. I don't know if this article is true it should be improved. I don't know if that thing about using hyperspace to destroy enemy fleets is true because i haven't heard of it being done. The likely outcome would be that both ships would be destroyed so it was probably a good suicide tactic.--Dumac 04:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• Not necessarily. The reason black holes aren't visible is because the gravity is so strong that the escape velocity at the center of the hole is faster than the speed of light. Try not to think of it as moving at the speed of light, but rather as moving from Point A to Point B without crossing the space between. According to Stephen Hawking, the speed of light is the greatest speed possible, so the only way of getting across a galaxy faster than lightspeed (it would take 120,000 years to cross from one end of the galaxy to the other at lightspeed) would be to take advantage of a wrinkle in the fabric of time. Consider this, take a rug and put it up with a little hump in it. This is our "fabric of time". Now, we've got two ways of getting to the other side of the rug: (a) We can go over the hump, or (b)we can punch a hole in both sides of the hump and go through. To do this, according to Stephen Hawking, we would have to accelerate to lightspeed, and then the fabric of time would bend around us, and anyone not in hyperspace would continue go over the hump, but we're going right through it, so to speak. So we are accelerating to lightspeed, but it is not our means of getting to where we want to go. The means of keeping time from passing accordingly seem to be pure fiction, however. All four dimensions mentioned are advancing, and we would age rapidly and die, however, our ship would make it to its destination. 120,000 years later to those outside of hyperspace, we would emerge in our destination, if our ship was built well enough, but the trip would seem instantaneous to us.--Atlas503 06:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • A problem remains: How do we get to the speed of light?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 19:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm no physicist, but that doesn't seem like such a stretch. In a vacuum, if you accelerate at 1g for about a year, you'd eventually hit light speed. Of course, infinite time would pass outside your reference frame, but subjectively it would only take a year, or so I've been led to believe. (This contradicts Atlas503's analysis above, but I have no confidence at all that mine is correct. See Introduction to special relativity if you're brave enough.) Incidentally, microparticles you collide with would also have infinite mass, which could potentially cause other logistical problems. (Someone who knows what they're talking about - unlike me - is welcome to correct my analysis.) –Cúthalion (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Anything that's a bit more quick?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 21:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperspace combat?

In the Babylon5 universe, ships can fight in Hyperspace. How about in the Star Wars version? Will 02:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Not that I know of.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 19:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Another Dimension

Hyperspace is not another dimension! Saxton flat-out says in the AOTC:ICS that Hyperspace is Realspace viewed from a FTL perspective. I would change the article, but I don't really know how to do it without sounding stupid.Commodore Axilon 00:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

• I've just done it.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 15:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• Commodore Axilon might be right. Perhaps hyperspace is actually the transit in warp drive.
  • Wait a minute! The answers been here all along! If hyperdrives are also known as warp drives, then that must mean it works a bit like Star Trek warp drives or transwarp!--The All-knowing Sith'ari 11:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
• Sure, you see realspace from a FTL perspective, but the realspace dimension prohibits matter moving past the speed of light. You have to break that inter-dimensional barrier in order to make the jump to lightspeed. Piequals3 11:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Warp drive does exactly that.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 12:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Hyperdrive does not at all work like Star Trek warp drive. jSarek 12:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Yeah, but in Star Wars no one explains exactly how the technology works, and we still have no canon explanation of what hyperspace is, so I'm afraid neither of us are right.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 16:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
        • Except the properties and practical realities of both hyperspace and Star Trek-style warp drive are known, and they don't match up. Ships in warp speed maintain situational awareness, able to sense other things in the galaxy and react to them, even engaging in battles at warp speed; ships in hyperspace are unable to interact with things in realspace (other than their gravity shadows or other things in hyperspace. Things which leave a warp field slow to sublight speeds; things which leave a hyperspace field disintegrate. jSarek 02:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
          • Yes, but hyperdrive is considerably faster than warp drive. The properties of superluminal travel may change the faster you go.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 16:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Real Nature of Hyperspace?

Quote from the article: "Consequently, despite common usage, relatively little is known about the true nature of hyperspace. Popular theories say that hyperspace utilized another dimension to 'sidestep,' per se., the light 'speed limit.' Others theorize that it phased matter directly into another universe, similar to otherspace or subspace, and thus gain superlight speeds. Whatever the case, there are many complex scientific principles known to modern hyperdrive engineers which allow for myriad different uses of this faster-than-light phenomenon."

It seems that Lucas did not even consider the ontology of spacetime employed in his hyperspace theory. Is hyperspace really another dimension, is it a tunnel through space (wormhole effect), or is it a dynamic warping of space akin to Alcubierre Drive? (Unsigned comment by 192.234.16.2)

• And more importantly, how did Saesee Tiin fly through a planet? CooperTFN 08:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can send messages through it, then it should be a dimension, rather than like the albucierre warp drive, which has a ship enclosed in a bubble of exotic matter, moving faster than the speed of light globally, while at rest locally.

although extra dimension are theroised to be ten to the power of minus 63 meters. 219.88.161.251 04:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• I'm sorry?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 11:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to the Article

I changed the article to the present tense, as it seems like otherwise that it doesnt apply anymore. 219.88.161.251 04:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Could you please change that back to past tense? This is an In universe article and according to the Manual of style, All in-universe articles should be in past tense, per the quote below.

Thanks. --Jedimca0 ^{(Do or Do Not, There is No Try)} 11:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Changed Piequals3 12:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Somebody that knows where they actually found the information regarding how hyperspace works, please source this article. Piequals3 11:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• I added some of the relevant sources. More are, of course, still needed. jSarek 11:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge articles?

This article has considerable overlap with the Hyperdrive article. It might be worth merging the two articles, or else making a clearer distinction between their content. –Cúthalion (talk) 03:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

• I would disagree on a merge. A hyperdrive is a physical piece of technology. It allows a ship to travel into hyperspace which is a separate phenomenon within physics. Each article is categorized as so. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• Yeah, I agree with Riffsyphon. - JMAS 05:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• I agree that a merge is not a good idea. Hyperspace is a phenomenon, hyperdrive is a technology; it'd be a bit like merging "combustion" with "engine." However, a clearer delineation between the two topics is definitely warranted. jSarek 06:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red shift

Has anyone ever considered the visual effects of entering/leaving hyperspace? When accelerating, you should see massive red shift, perhaps into the infrared range. Likewise, when decelerating, you should see massive blue shift, perhaps into the ultraviolet range. The movie graphics suggest blue shift, but not red shift.

I'm not suggesting any changes, just musing. –Cúthalion (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I know that on Star Tours, there is a red shift during the second hyperspace segment if you look at the alternate (right side) display. During this 'jump' this secondary screen shows the Death Star explosion occurring behind you (with R2-D2 in the foreground) and continues the shot from the same relative viewpoint (Outside and above RX-24, looking towards the rear of the ship) as you travel to the finale. Though, I don't know how this figures into the Star Wars canon. Disneyhollic 06:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clone Wars contradiction

In Clone Wars Chapter 11, a CR20 troop carrier goes into hyperspace from inside the atmosphere of Muunilinst? How has that been explained, since atmosphere + hyperpace = bad? Or, hasn't it been explained, as I'm guessing from the lack of any mention about the matter in Wookieepedia? --Master Starkeiller 21:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, from what I think, the CR20 should have instantly disintegrated. Look, do we all agree that a ship needs to go into a high speed to either exit realspace or enter hyperspace (possibly passing otherspace in the process)?

If that is true, the CR20 had to have snapped through the planet's gravity and into an impossibly high speed faster than the speed of light, and obviously enough to escape the planet's gravity.

Wouldn't that have created a disruption in the planet's solar system and possibly pulled it out of it's sun's gravitational pull?

Sorry, that wasn't much of a solution.--Darkforcerising 47 16:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mass shadows and failsafes

I believe I remember reading somewhere that gravity doesn't technically pull ships out of hyperspace, but rather this is caused by an irreversible failsafe in all hyperdrives. I don't remember where I read it, probably one of the novels or the original West End Sourcebook. Can anyone confirm, and add to the article if it's true? Some Guy 07:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time

How long did hyperspace travel take? Hours? Days? Weeks? In Vector Prime it explicitly says to go from the Core to the Outer Rim took a week. From reading the X-wing novels and other sources from all over star wars however, I got the impressio that hyperspace travel took only hours. Which is correct? Tarvin Calaan 04:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

How is it that it takes only a few hours to get from alderaan to either coruscant or tatooine, but it takes many days to get from coruscant dircectly to tatooine.

QUESTION: Now, it said that a Hyperspace jump from Tatooine to Alderaan took 7 hours. Didn't Han Solo say in Ep. IV "We'll arrive at Alderaan in 0200 Hours (2:00)"?

[edit] jedi

it says in the article that the raktan used forced powered hyper drives,did the jedi use this technology in their hyperspace or was it lost

[edit] Times

The times don't seem to make any sense. Why would one travel for 12+ days from Coruscant to Dagobah, when they could jump from Coruscant to Alderaan, then Alderaan to Dagobah, and make the trip in about 2 days?

In general, the travel time between 2 planets along a "direct" route shouldn't exceed the travel time for an indirect route.

• They only make some kind of sense when you take hyperlanes into account. Sometimes it's faster to go a little out of your way to get on a faster road. Not that they make MUCH more sense in that case - they weren't terribly well thought-out to begin with. jSarek 07:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I think we should remove that table from the article, it's an affront to logic. It take 4 hours to go from Coruscant to Corellia, 4 hours to get from Corellia to Tattoine, and 22 days to get from Tattoine to Coruscant? That's just dumb. I won't make the change because I am not a registered user, but please.
    • At the very least, it would be nice to know where the different numbers are from. If they are for different ships with different speeds, or are simply the result of different authors contradicting each other, a comment to that effect might be warranted.

Maybe that in the state or alternate dimension of hyperspace, massive holes, or gravitational irregularities caused by stars and black holes, prevent quick travel; maybe you have to go around them.--Darkforcerising 47 16:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] .3 past lightspeed

I'm wondering if there shouldn't be a section here explaining what is meant by descriptions of speeds in hyperspace when worded this way. If not in this article, does one exist on wookiee? As a person who only did a year of physics, I would not be able to do this but I would greatly appreciate it if somebody at least put as much down as they might know.Mad Jax 06:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

In A New Hope, Han Solo says, "She'll make point-five past lightspeed." Closer inspection reveals that the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive is a Class .5. It's possible that Lucas intended for the number to represent the supra light velocities the ship could attain, then changed it to a way of rating hyperdrives after the movie.--ToaCodyNuva 00:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Time

So it takes days to get from Corusant to Tatooine even in Hyperspace? Nuparu1995

[edit] Kamakazie Attack

That other guy is right. In an Imperial-Rebel space engagement in Star Wars Battlefront 2, a Rebel heavy cruiser tried to go into hyperspace while right in front of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. Which, of course, is a pretty stupid move.--Darkforcerising 47 22:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Organized (I hope) list of questions and my unlikely answers

Hey, guys, look at it this way. I don't know much about physics, but this gives me an edge because I don't know that what I'm saying is possibly wrong!

1. What is hyperspace?

Hyperspace is a subject with limited knowledge. It allows properly-built spacecraft to span a great distance within a certain galaxy, known as the galaxy (the Star Wars galaxy), in a lesser amount of time than it would take to travel on repulsor-lift engines. When a ship enters hyperspace, it must activate an entirely new engine to accelerate into a great enough speed to make the journey or transformation of physical particles. Again, not much is known about this, and a large conflict is if it's an alternate dimension, or simply you're going really, really, fast.

We do know that before you enter hyperspace, you must enter the coordinates of your destination. This supports —Unsigned comment by Darkforcerising 47 (talk • contribs).

[edit] SPEED & TIME

A major part of hyperpace travel that just occured to me is how does a fleet with various ships who have all different hyperspace ratings arrive at a targetat the same time? I know the question is poorly worded, but this can be seen in Episode VI, when the Rebels attack Endor, the Millenium Falcon has a hyperspace speed of 0.5, and is specifically called the fastest ship in the fleet by Han, and yet it arrives at the same time as the rest of the disparate Rebel Fleet comprised of ships with many diferent speeds, how and why is this? (P.S. Please don't get hung up on the relative speeds or correcting errors in the question, just answer the question).Ciphe 20:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, remember, the fleet is organized to reach a certain point, at the same time, with the same coordinates. So when the coordinates are transposed from ship to ship, there is probably a setting in which you can set the ETA to a speed value in which all ships can execute. For example, if the Falcon can hit .5, but the Home One can reach .4, and a few X-Wings following can only reach .3, they will communicate to each other and decide that .2 is the best speed to go at because all ships can go that fast. So the Estimated Time to Arrival will be the same because they are all traveling at the same speed, to the same coordinates, at the same time. Remember, just because they can go that fast doesn't mean they have to. Whoo, that was long. Did that help?--Darkforcerising 47 16:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

• A good explanation would be if the way Hyperspace works is by pushing the limit towards FTL and the jump to hyperspace shifts the dimension of 'time' so the destination is a constant, but the time spent in route differs for each rating. If 2 ships want to leave point A at the exact same time, and end up at point B at the exact same time, the slower ship would spend a longer time in hyperspace from their own point of view, but nobody elses.

[edit] Alternate Dimension

If you read Star Wars: Republic Commando: Hard Contact, you will note that they say (quote):

The ship, better described as a junk pile, stunk of rot and rust. Darman was surprised that it could even handle the simple transformation from realspace to the alternate dimension, hyperspace.

Sorry, forgot to sign that!--Darkforcerising 47 16:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)