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October 28, 2017 Article has undergone Trash compactor Keep and convert into a disambiguation page
Current status: Article kept after Trash compactor

Per Forum:CT:Imperial Remnants IU article/Disambig page (October 2, 2023), the "Imperial remnants" page shall be an in-universe article about the term, which referred to several distinct remnant factions of the Galactic Empire. OOM 224 (he/him) 18:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Remnant vs. remnants[]

I feel that the article would be named more appropriately in its plural form as the Imperial remnants, such as the Separatist holdouts, as opposed to the singular phrase Imperial remnant. Is there a reason it is not this way in the first place? Reddyredcp (talk) 22:33, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

  • I named the article "Imperial remnant" because I only saw the term in its singular form in Aftermath: Empire's End. However, the novel and other sources make references to various "remnants" of the Empire so I think it would be okay to rename this article "Imperial remnants". Also, I've noticed that there has been some confusion over whether this page is about a specific remnant or just the remnants in general (it's the latter, of course), so I think the name change to the plural form is all the more appropriate, so as to avoid further confusion. JRT2010 (talk) 22:39, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Legends version?[]

Hi.

I was wondering, should we make a Legends version of this article to cover the period between the Battle of Endor as well as the formation of the Imperial Remnant (especially the, for lack of a better term, balkanization of the Empire with warlords for lack of a better term), or at the very least prior to the Dark and Crimson Empires (since the Dark Empire was technically a legitimate faction of the Empire due to a clone of Palpatine running it)? We do need to cover those factions in general for the Legends version as well, and let's face it, just covering it under the legends version of the Galactic Empire article won't really cut it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:39, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Factions[]

We know that Rae Sloane retrated with portion of the Empire to the Unknown Regions, we have Mass Amedda prov government. I was thinking in the Lost Stars novel we have Moff Randd and Nash Empire is this another splint faction of the Imperial remnants??--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 16:03, May 15, 2017 (UTC)

  • We don't know what happened to Randd after Jakku, but I presume Nash would be part of the Imperial remnant (Queluhan Nebula) on the page --Lewisr (talk) 16:06, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
    • Lost Stars eilogue confirms he's alive, I think. Also many pages including Randd page confirms that he's alive --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 22:12, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
      • I meant as in we don't know what he did --Lewisr (talk) 22:16, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
        • Nash mentions he's still part of the "fleet" with him and the others, meaning that the Grand Moff is still around in that faction--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 22:34, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
          • True, all it says is that he would nominate Ciena for the award, he could be with another remnant though and just has been in contact with Nash --Lewisr (talk) 22:52, May 15, 2017 (UTC)
            • The book doesnt seems to say that, and also if that's the case he's not there but Randd is still in control.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 22:59, May 15, 2017 (UTC)

Canon/Legends tabs[]

Is there a reason as to why the canon wiki page, Imperial_remnants is not the 'canon' tab of Imperial_Remnants's wiki page (as a Legends tab)?--ChristopherLeeGallant (talk) 21:11, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

  • The reason is that this page refers to the collection of remnant states that existed after the collapse of the central Galactic Empire. The Imperial Remnant is the name of a singular official nation in Legends. There are countless remnant factions in Canon AND Legends (Pentastar Alliance, Zsinj's Empire, Empire Reborn, Hardliners, etc.), but the Imperial Remnant is simply one of those, not a loose term used to describe them. For all we know, one of the canon remnant factions as of unnamed will be the Imperial Remnant from Legends, or at least share the name. To that end, we cannot be sure that it has a canon equivalent. Darth Ravigious (talk) 22:14, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Merge/Delete[]

There's no Imperial remnants just factions of it. There's no need to have this if there's not even leadership or cooperation between them. "It can mentioned in each faction" --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:37, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

The most obvious example of their cooperation is the Battle of Jakku, where participated most of all remaining Imperial ships including what have then become "Nebula Remnant", "Jakku Remnant" and Reloth Remnant (which is not even mentioned in the article, lol). --С уважением, Starit (обс) 07:57, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Coruscant government[]

Just wondering whether we should add this on the disambiguation page or not, since it was formed from Imperial forces on Coruscant and is a puppet state of the New Republic. Thoughts?--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 18:28, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

  • Was actually planning on making a new article on Mas Ammeda's Galactic Empire, meaning those forces still loyal to the official galactic empire and not the new warlords. The faction that would still be based out of Coruscant. Darth Ravigious (talk) 21:23, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
    • Where is it stated that Ammeda had a Galactic Empire? --Lewisr (talk) 21:27, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
      • Wasn't going to call the article that. I'm merely referring to the central Imperial government that remained after Endor. As in, the central establishment, based out of Coruscant. Darth Ravigious (talk)
        • I don't really understand what the purpose of the page would be, wouldn't it just be better to include it on Galactic Empire? --Lewisr (talk) 21:38, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
        • Since this specificic remnant was considered as the "real" Empire by the NR should be covered in both Galactic Empire and the Coruscant's provisional government articles--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:39, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
          • I think we should keep Coruscant's provisional government the way it is, I just think it should be included in the disambiguation page since it's technically an Imperial remnant that was located on Coruscant--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 21:45, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
            • It wasn't really the Galactic Empire. It was just a transitional state. Think of the post-Romanov government that was established after the Czar was overthrown back in 1917, before it became the USSR during the October Revolution months later (exactly 100 years ago this Tuesday). It wasn't the Russian Empire anymore, but it was still Russia, under a transitional executive authority. Provisional GOvernment on Coruscant is the same thing. Not the empire anymore by any means. Darth Ravigious (talk) 22:38, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
              • I don't think it can be considered something new, Amedda wasn't trying to create his own thing, he was trying to hold the Empire together --Lewisr (talk) 22:49, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
  • So what's the consensus on adding Coruscant's provisional government to the disambiguation page?--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 02:27, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
    • Maybe it could go in the see also section, as its not actually an Imperial remnant rather its pretty much the immediate successor to the Empire --Lewisr (talk) 02:32, November 6, 2017 (UTC)

Pryde's Imperial Remnant[]

Am I tripping or wasn't this literally just the First Order? They never mention the name explicitly in Shadow of the Sith but it was pretty obvious that the "Skeletal command structure that was, at last, forming deep in the scattered Imperial hideouts in the Unknown Regions" was just the beginning of the wider First Order. Why are we classing it as something different? -- Hotgreencarpet (talk) 02:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

  • Also there's the fact that CSA was secretly funding them, which they were also established to be doing to the First Order in Before the Awakening. I agree that it's just the First Order, plus we know they were formed by the time of Shadow of the Sith Lewisr (talk) 03:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Whilst I'm reluctant to delete someones hard work, can we? Just fold it into the main First Order page. That page already has details of Pryde's remnant on it, saying "the scattered Imperial remnants in the Unknown Regions had come to establish a new chain of command, albeit an obscure and skeletal one, for Imperial survivors. Amongst those who fell under the new command structure was an Imperial remnant that was ordered to establish ties with the Corporate Sector Authority". Make clear that it's the same group. -- Hotgreencarpet (talk) 12:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Senate Hall[]

So this page has seen a lot of traffic in the last couple of days due to the latest Ahsoka episode especially when the use the capitalization of Imperial Remnant so I was wondering if we should open up a Senate Hall discussion to discuss this?--Jkirk8907 (talk) 19:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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