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After checking the ROTS ICS, I've found that Hoersch-Kessel Drive Inc. was NOT involved with the building of this ship, and that "Pammant Docks" is an actual company. JimRaynor55 16:42, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The entry for The Invisible Hand in Star Wars Magazine UK 59 claims that the ship can hold 20 squadrons of Tri-Fighters or other starfighters, and over 400 ground assault vehicles Emtrey 11:23, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The torp launchers shown in Ep. 3 on the Hand... On Ep. 3, the Hand's cannons in an internal scene were shown ejecting cylindrical cartridges from the breech end, like huge solid artillery shells, so I';m guessing these were the proton torpedo launchers-but, inferring from the size of the cartridges the torpedoes themselves would have to have a diameter of several meters!

  • Maybe. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • ICS shows those to be flak guns, but I think they're turbolasers, judging by the appearance of their fire. One more thing that only George Lucas knows for sure...ZeldaTheSwordsman 02:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Relation to Rendilli Dreadnaught Cruiser?

As the Rendilli Dreadnaught is a Clone Wars era starship, with the similar outward characteristics, is it possible that these ships are related, or that the long-narrow-body style of shipbuilding was common at the time?

[edit] Some minor updates

I added mentioned of Lushros Dofine, seeing as how he, as the ship's captain, deserves to be mentioned by name. Also, the article forgot to mention that the Invisible Hand falls out of orbit twice during the battle; the first time when the Republic warship fires on it, and then again when Grievous shatters the bridge viewport. All this I've added. - Kooshmeister

  • You really don't need to post an edit summary on the talk page. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I only did so to explain myself; many times in the past I have had perfectly good edits reverted. Although if this bugs people, I'll avoid doing so in the past. - Kooshmeister

[edit] Alternate...wait, what?

What's this stuff about an alternate ending to the Invisible Hand dying? Why would there be a C-level scene that contradicted the G-level official ending of the movie, that was nearly impossible to unlock and can't be verified? 72.228.255.171 19:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannons

Under Armaments, shouldn't we have those Mass driver things?--Darth Oblivion 17:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I still want to see whatever source lists mass drivers as the armament of Providence-classes. Just because shells are used doesn't necessarily mean it's a mass drive. The shells could just be a way of storing energy and gas for turbolaser cannons that doesn't drain the reactors, which would explain why the ship has so many guns and still has tons of storage room. Tony Knightcrawer 04:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How'd it lose?

Check its armament...102 proton torps. That's enough to blow an Imperial Star Destroyer including shields! After all, 24 X-Wing proton torps were enough to take out a Victory (see X-Wing: The Bacta War). My question is, how the hell did it ever lose to a Venator with only 52 point-defense laser cannons and a few turbolasers?

  • It was being attacked by multiple Venators. QuentinGeorge 23:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • And by the time we see it in the movie, it had probably used most of its torpedoes.ZeldaTheSwordsman 02:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What are these in the Invisible Hand's hangar?

The things in the red boxes, Droid Gunships maybe?--Rune Haako 21:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Oviraptor/whatarethese.jpg

  • They appear to just be crates of some kind; there are no vessels of any kind seen in the hangar as the shield deactivates, and no ships fly out during the depressurization - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 15:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    • According to the ROTS ICS, they're openings that lead to a vehicle bay beneath. Unit 8311 17:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transfered Discussion

Just wandering why the edits at just after 23:00 UK time were reverted? Looking them over they do not seem erroneous?

They are, because your edits make it seem like the Providence-class was far better than the Venator-class. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC) In my copy of Star Wars magazine (UK) 18 months ago ago it was listed with the kills of Several Venator Class ships and several Victory class as being attributed to Invisible Hand, over half a dozen at Coruscant, perhaps it is not typical of its class in this? Although by the sheer bulk of firepower (Many more turbolasers than a Venator) and the redundant Mon-Calamari style systems one would assume one on one is would be Superior to a Venator. Logic no? I would attibute the Venator taking out Invisible Hand as more of a A-Wing to Executor example than visa versa. Although perhaps with the bulk of fighters a Venator is equipped with the balance is redressed slightly?

A Star Wars magazine is not a reliable source. I think. - TopAce 15:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC) Actually, it is. That magazine is the UK equivalent of Insider, and it carries most of Insider's articles, too - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 15:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC) FYI, a Venator took out Invisible Hand. That disproves your theory. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC) Not really if you think about it. An A-Wing took out Executor, an few fighters took out the deathstar, that does not make it a typical situation.

That doesn't matter. Taking on a couple of Venators and defeating them doesn't mean Invisible Hand is immune to Venator attacks, and that only Imperial-class Star Destroyers can take it out. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 14:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC) I was not suggesting that "only Imperial Class Vessels could take it out" I was suggesting that in normal conditions it was more than a match for a Venator, and in most conditions it would probrably be better paired against an Imperial for an equivalence of power, than a Venator.

Again, a Venator took out Invisible Hand. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 23:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC) Again an A-Wing took out Executor. It does not make it typical. You are refusing to listen to reason. Wiki:"A lucky shot from the Guarlara started a chain reaction in the Invisible Hand's point-defense cannon bays that almost destroyed", Lucky shots do not signify the overall "whoshouldwiness"

of the ship. Or by definition any Executor should be considered worse than an A-Wing? Correct? And whose's to say, anon, that Invisible Hand didn't just fire lucky shots to destroy those other Venators? Your case is weak, and I grow tired of it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 14:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Weak. Anyway, as we have more evidence of Providence Class ships taking out multple Venators.. I would say that is more the norm than the one damaged providence downed in ROTS.

Nebulax, I am starting to see his point. The Invisible Hand did take out those Venators after all. There could have been several variables that lead to the Venators' demises, despite the firepower on the Providence-Class Cruiser, but they were defeated. However, the Invisible Hand may have had help in destroying those Venators. As for The Invisible Hand itself, it had seen some action that day, and would have been tired out from the battle when it was attacked. Also take into consideration that the Invisible Hand was not destroyed, and it was able to restabilize itself after the attack. Either way, it's hard to say. We would need a perfect battle situation to conclude that one was more powerful than the other. Of course, we don't live anywhere near perfect, that's why there's Walgreens.--IG-Prime(IG-2000) 17:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, new here, but I'd just thought I'd point a few things out about the armament on the Invisible Hand:

1,632 proton torpedoes (102 launchers with 16 proton torpedoes, per the specs sheet) is a lot of torpedoes, but when you're dealing with a thousand vessels that are probably going to take more than one hit apiece, it's not an overwhelming amount of firepower, especially when we don't know the per-torpedo power level. It's not said they're capital-sized torpedoes as far as I know; far all we know, they could be starfighter-level and meant for point defense, in which case you'd have to be volleying dozens to significantly damage a Venator, which is supported by their evidently unlimited fire arcs.

The Invisible Hand has the same heavy TLs the Trade Federation battleships do; however, I'd like to point out that a friggin Naboo Royal Cruiser took a shielded hit from one of these and did just fine. :p The Venator's 8 dual cannon per side may well be putting out more power than the Hand's 20 in that particular firing arc could.

Thirdly, Invisible Hand's design was originally a carrier iirc, which means it's not designed for slugging it out at point-blank range; the Venator's role as a battleship subsitute probably means it's much more heavily armored. Not to mention that guns off a Jedi Interceptor caused damage severe enough for a major defensive system (the bay shields) to short out. IMO, the Hand is not designed for a close-range slugfest, which is why the Guarlara got in close and simply blew the heck out of it. Notice how the Hand is not engaging much of anything when Obi-Wan and Anakin arrive on the scene? it's behind dozens of Sep vessels, including at least two TF battleships. The Hand is a command ship, with alot of guns aboard, but not a whole lot of armor, especially considering how the hangar area was expanded.

She'd probably do fine in a long-range gun duel where her superior firepower could be brought to bear, but at point-blank range where only a third of her firepower can be, and the opposing ship is much more stoutly constructed, and can bring half? What happens there is obvious: Invisible Hand loses.-Charles22


[edit] Grievous's flagship

Under "History": Since control of the Separatist forces was handed to Grievous after he "lost" the Malevolence, Gunray reluctantly surrendered the Invisible Hand to the droid general to use as a replacement flagship at the behest of Darth Sidious.

Do we know for a fact that Grievous received Invisible Hand right after losing Malevolence? He seems to command from at least one Munificent-class frigate during the Clone Wars series, so it doesn't seem like this is the case Lalala la 02:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unloading it's complement.

The only thing that I was thinking over is how the Invisible Hand could unload all of the vehicles on the surface of the planet. It doesn't have so big hangar to carry big landing crafts such as C-9979 and it isn't told if it is able to land on the planet. It is only metioned that it could land on the water. But if it was able to unload MTT's, Crab Droids, etc. how would Hand do it?? Invisible Hand has a kind of 'foot' underneath it so did it function similarly to C-9979 landing craft's 'foot' ? Do you have any ideas??

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