Article milestones Date Process Result 29 August 2006 Good article nomination Success 18 December 2006 Good article 16 February 2009 Good article review Removed 22 March 2009 Former good article
Current status: Former good article

Contents 1 Appearances: Jedi Academy (Multiplayer only) 2 Jan Strange 3 wedding bells? 4 Cybernetic hand 5 Get the facts streight please 6 Portrayal 7 Prosthetic Hand 8 Dark Forces audio drama

Appearances: Jedi Academy (Multiplayer only) Edit

If a recycled player model counts as an official appearance (with the footnone of "non-canonical"), then I think we're opening the floodgates to a LOT of questionable material. Jan's model is one of the available choices in the multiplayer mode of Jedi Academy, but so are Desann and Galak Fyyar, despite being quite dead at the time. Darth Vader is playable in the multiplayer mode of Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, despite the game being set six years after Return of the Jedi. Should it be listed in his "Appearances" section? Or what about Mercenaries for Han Solo? Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 for Darth Maul?

There is no hard rule regarding what qualifies as an appearance, but I think we're getting a little too far into the gray area here. Multiplayer deathmatch games don't tell any type of story, so I personally don't think they count as part of the game's narrative. -- SM-716 _{File:716chiss.gif ...talk?} 19:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• I agree; Jan is not in that story. I do believe Kyle mentions her, though, on the level with the train on Coruscant (the last level on the first tier of selectable missions). He's flying the Raven's Claw and telling a story to Jaden, when they get the transmission from the conductor. BaronGrackle 10:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Agreed. The Appearances section reflects this with the "mentioned only" modifier after Jedi Academy's listing. -- SM-716 _{File:716chiss.gif ...talk?} 21:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Jan Strange Edit

Good work, jSarek, digging up info on the Jan Strange retcon made by the Dark Forces novellas. I wonder if it's worth noting that Jaymach's Jan Strange image clearly shows Jan before getting her giant cybernetic right hand?

Come to think of it, why has Jan never gotten one of those super-realistic fake hands that Luke got at the end of ESB? Jan had seniority in the Rebellion, after all.... -- SM-716 _{File:716chiss.gif ...talk?} 21:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't notice that when I looked at the pic of her as Jan Strange...wow, thanks for pointing that out!! Perhaps she lost her hand during her tenure with the Imperials; maybe it was an accident, or perhaps was cut off as a punishment when she did something wrong. Either way, I'm going to put out the idea that she lost it while working with the Imperials, and that the Imperials were the ones who gave her the cybernetic hand. The Rebellion consisted of many different races who offered different types of technology; it's possible that the less racial diverse Empire didn't have such advanced prosthetic technology of their own. Either that, or if you're going along the "punishment" route, perhaps they gave her a crappy cyberhand model as a constant reminder to her of her error, yet still enabling her to operate at optimal efficiency, which sounds very Imperial to me. What do you think?? Again, this is all conjecture, and we can't include it in the article, but it IS fun to talk about. :D --Promus Kaa 17:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

wedding bells? Edit

• In the comic Equals and oppisotes Jan says that they are going to get married AFTER the war. The war that takes place in this story is the one that is in the New Jedi Order series. Also, did Jan and Kyle ever live together? thanks, Grand Admiral Nick Vos ^[Holonet]
  • We have yet to see if they got married at the end of the war, or if the never-ending crises of the GFFA meant that marriage again had to wait. As for cohabitation, I don't believe it's been established, though they did share the same (rather cramped) ship on many occasions. jSarek 22:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Do they HAVE to get married? KEJ 23:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Kyle sure wants it, and it seems the Jan kind of does to, but not under the circumstances. jSarek 02:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Hmmmm.... well, is it necessary for them to be married to continue their relationship? KEJ 12:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Yes it is. It is immoral to live with some one before you are married.

Grand Admiral Nick Vos ^[Holonet]

• • "Yes it is. It is immoral to live with some one before you are married"....in the Star Wars galaxy. Try not to make this anything other than a discussion about the character. Anyway, Kyle's capture following the Vong War may have interrupted wedding plans, of course - \\Captain Kwenn// ^{— Ahoy!} 23:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, this is actually turning into a discussion about canonicity. Where does it state, in official Star Wars material that it's immoral to live with someone before being married? I'm not interested in anybody's personal, moral, political, or religious opinions (I'm not sure we're even allowed to discuss such issues in this wiki), I just want reference to official material supporting that statement. KEJ 23:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't think you'll get much better answers than in the real world, as different Star Wars characters/factions have different moral standards. The Old Jedi Order didn't think a Jedi should marry or that one should begin Jedi training past a certain age, but Luke believed the former restriction may have led to Anakin's fall to the dark side, while the latter restriction would have stopped Luke from saving the galaxy. Of course, if the Jedi Order had been given a chance to respond, they may have pointed out that Anakin was a power-hungry brat anyway whose fall had more to do with "his empire" than a love for Padmé, and they certainly could have pointed out that ignoring the age restrictions probably contributed to the falls of both Anakin and Desann. Even the morality of democracy is brought into question, as it leads to the corruption of the Old Republic and, arguably, the New one. I'm personally intrigued by Kreia's theory that the Force itself is a manipulative entity that should be destroyed. You'll probably get similar arguments for or against marriage; even if you feel the evidence proves one is superior, it's good for Star Wars to be multifaceted. -BaronGrackle 02:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
        • sorry, i did not know that it was that big of a deal
        • Yeah, the great thing about Star Wars is that it's multifaceted, and that it makes us think about many issues we take for granted IRL. I was just wondering if there was some IU factor stating that they HAVE to be married to be together. This doesn't sem to be the case. KEJ 12:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Cybernetic handEdit

• I've always assumed it was actually in print somewhere that she lost her hand or had a cybernetic replacement, but the recent updade makes it seem that this is not the case. Is there any evidence that it's actually a replacement and not just a fancy glove? jSarek 21:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I doubt she'd wear permanently the same glove for yars. I have played the games and the mechanic details of the hand are seen clearly. I'd like to read the comic appearance though MoffRebus 22:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, Kyle DID wear the same shoulder pauldron for just as long. ;-) Seriously, though, that comic does have some interesting views of Jan's hand . . . it seems the black thing IS a glove of some sort, but what's underneath is even more confusing . . . hmm . . . jSarek 23:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Kyle did no wear the plate in DF however Ors wore this 'glove'. Ok I will fix it.. however I don't see why this is a reason for reverting all my yesterday edits :-( MoffRebus 08:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
        • I didn't do that. jSarek 09:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Get the facts streight please Edit

"Jan and Kyle then declared their love for one another.[8]"

I have played through that game multiple times and this statement is incorrect!. I don't know if they ever stated that, perhaps it was said somewhere else, but it did NOT happen in any of the dark forces/jedi knight series games. 65.27.139.162 03:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• They seem to be in love when finally Kyle rescues her. MoffRebus 07:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Edit: actually I was referring to Outcast! Our friend has a point here: there is no love stuff in Jedi Knight (there is in Outcast though). Perhaps someone who can verify one or the other, should move that phrase to correspond to the Outcast timeframe? MoffRebus 12:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The facts are straight - it happened at the end of Dark Forces: Jedi Knight. jSarek 08:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC) EDIT: To clarify, the love stuff may not be in the Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II game, but it's quite clearly spelled out in the Dark Forces: Jedi Knight novella. jSarek 22:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    • jSarek is correct. The novella clearly states it, as does the audio drama. Greyman^(Paratus) 22:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
      • I am OK if the novella states it, that it happened at the time frame (thought they didn't seem to be like a couple in the second jedi knight game). But it DID NOT happen in the GAME itself, just in the same time period. Therefore it should link to the novel instead of the game. I was not wrong. But the article seems to be fixed now. 65.27.139.162 22:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
        • It does link to the novel. -- I need a name (Complain here) 22:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
          • I know, but the first time I checked the link, it linked to the GAME. It is fixed now.
            • Umm, the article itself hasn't been edited since a month prior to your first post on this page. jSarek 09:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

PortrayalEdit

Is it really necessary to mention that Angela Harry is an Asian model? I mean, Kyle Katarn's article doesn't say "portrayed by white actor Jason Court", and Lando's article doesn't say "portrayed by African-American actor Billy Dee Williams". It's inconsistent with the rest of the wiki, and quite irrelevant too. KEJ 16:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

IMHO it is relevant because Harry's appearance contributed to how Ors is illustrated ever since. Before JK, she was only a featureless illustration, and now she has Asian features, which is good. On the other hand, I don't see any Asians offended and I don't think it harms anyone. MoffRebus 19:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it won't offend anyone. That really wasn't the issue anyways. I don't recall ever making that line of argument. I just didn't think the ethnic background of Star Wars portrayers was relevant, since it's not mentioned in other articles. KEJ 16:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

To answer you question, if Lando Calrissian appeared firstly in a colorless comic before being portrayed by Billy Dee, then Lando did 'become' black because of Billy Dee and IMHO that would be relevant. MoffRebus 19:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but I still don't agree. And I wouldn't call her "featureless" either in DF. Anyway, I think that it could be put more succinctly than it is presently. It's mentioned that she's featureless, but only weakly implied that Angela Harry "contributes" with the Asian features... which I don't really think is relevant either. Anyhow, I won't make any changes to that aspect of the portrayal section. So, I guess the conclusion is "never mind, then". KEJ 21:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with KEJ. If Angela Harry had been Caucasian, we wouldn't be mentioning that casting her gave Caucasian features to a previously "featureless" Jan. Human race has no bearing in Star Wars, and shouldn't in our articles, unless real-world racial concerns make it necessary to address it for some reason. jSarek 22:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a BtS section though. MoffRebus 22:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but do any real-world racial issues come into play? Was Angela Harry chosen or nearly rejected because she was Asian? Was her presence as an Asian lauded or bemoaned by fans or the press? Or was she just a decent actress who fit the role? As far as I can tell, there are no real-world racial issues at work here, so there's no point in bringing up Harry's race in the article. jSarek 22:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but since the mention of Harry being Asian seemed to bother people (and was pretty pointless to my mind as well), I took the liberty to solve this by simply saying that her likeness was used in subsequent portrayals of Jan. It is pretty clear from the context that this means Jan has been portrayed as having Asian features from then on. --Tinwe 16:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Prosthetic HandEdit

I know this might be a bit of an old topic, but I was reading the recently updated Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia and it says, rather definitively that "Her right arm was a prosthetic replacement" (Vol 2, pg 425). Rain Thalo 22:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

• Awesome. Nice to finally have that cleared up definitively. jSarek 21:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Adressed. Mauser 21:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
    • So I see, thank you. Rain Thalo 17:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Dark Forces audio drama Edit

Does anybody know who voiced Jan in Dark Forces audio dramas? Mauser 13:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

• Mo Collins. At least that is what is said at the bottom of the Portrayal section in BTS. ;) --Tinwe 16:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• If you listen carefully. you cvan definately tell that it is indeed Mo Collins as it says in the Portrayal Section. If you listen VERY carfully, you can even hear some of her Minnesota accent come through a few few times as she says "Katarn" with a closed-throated "A". —Unsigned comment by 161.57.227.87 (talk • contribs).