Talk:Jedi

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Oklahoma Temple of the Jedi Order/The Jedi Praxeum link: I would like to request that our site be added to the External Links section. Our site is located at http://jedipraxeum.forumwise.com/ Jedimasterkyp 11:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 What...? 2 Jedi biased articles 3 I Find It Funny ... 4 "Trust your feelings" 5 Marriage? 6 Jedi Sayings

[edit] What...?

What is needed for this article to be cleaned up?- (Dtlwarrior 21:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC))

[edit] Jedi biased articles

How come all the articles that have to do with the Jedi are biased, always making the jedi out to be the "good guys" because they are obviously not just look at what they did to the Jensaarai; Nejaa Halcyon, Ylenic It'kla, and Desertwind are clearly sent on mission to murder the Jensaarai simple because the Jedi "feel" that the Jensaarai are evil.So all i am saying is wookepedia needs to stop having article that are biased.--Bull36 23:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

• The Jedi are made out to be "good guys" because they are the good guys. If you watch the movies, you'll notice that the Jedi are the "good guys" and protagonists of the movies. George Lucas created the Jedi as heroes and protagonists, and most canon sources depict them as heroes and protagonists. Canonically, the Jedi are the heroic forces of good. 96.240.222.190 03:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• Look if you read the books the Jedi are always killing any one they consider to be of the dark side like the Jensaarai that's evil if ask me to kill people because they believe different then you.And in the Old Jedi order the Jedi were trained to be nothing more than brained wash monks and in the New Jedi order the Jedi turned into a bunch of jackasses look at character like Jaina Solo,and Zekk.You can't look at a organization and say they are good or bad based on the majority not every one in the empire was evil and not every Jedi was good you need to look deeper then face value; that goes for real life too.--Bull36 14:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  • That's your opinion. But it's a fact in Star Wars that the Jedi are the main heroes and protagonists, and that the Jedi serve the light side. Light side=good side. The Jedi serve the good side. Your "not every Jedi was good" comment is contradictory because the way the Force and morality works in Star Wars is that the Jedi use the light, or good side of the force. A Jedi who isn't "good" isn't a "Jedi" anymore. A bad Jedi is either a "Dark Jedi" or a "Sith", but not a "Jedi". The simple fact is, George Lucas created the Jedi as the good guys, so they are the good guys. 72.79.208.93 15:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• George Lucas has nothing to do with the books he just gets the money, and the Jedi themselves say the light side is good.And if you ask me i agree with Troy Denning(interview in the book Inferno) when he said Yoda(Empire strikes back) who was talking about the light side and dark side in Luke he is referring to the light and darkness in him not the force,and no before you ask I do not support the Sith I think the star wars galaxy would be better off without both extremes.--Bull36 19:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• When i I say the Jedi or not good i mean the society and the morals of the Jedi as a whole,taking babes from there parents(many times by force),then brain washing them from a young age is something i consider corrupt and evil. Just read there motto

There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. 
There is no passion; there is serenity. 
There is no chaos; there is harmony. 
There is no death; there is the Force.

Sounds like a bunch of brain washed Communist to me buddy.--Bull36 19:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• • Again, that is your opinion. An opinion not supported by canon, which depicts the Jedi as noble, heroic protagonists. Either way, this is not the place to discuss your anti-Jedi bias. Talk pages are not for discussing opinions or for general discussion. 72.79.208.93 20:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• 72.79.208.93 why don't you get a profile before you start saying anything.--Bull36 00:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
• Oh that opinion is supported by canon it is said by Boba Fett and admiral Daala in the book Revelation,so get your facts straight before you start something and look I am not trying to be mean to you are anything.--Bull36 00:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
• Administrator warning: Everyone drops this conversation now. Bull36, if you have specific parts of articles that you feel violate Wookieepedia's Neutral Point of View policy, please bring them up on the talk pages of those articles. A general complaint about "Jedi bias" without any examples isn't particularly useful, but Wookieepedia is aimed to be neutral in its coverage of all subjects, whatever their portrayal is out of universe. - Lord Hydronium 00:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I dropped this discussion with my last message, where I pointed out that this isn't the place to discuss opinions. Though I would like to point out that Bull36's contention that the Jedi are "corrupt and evil" and "a bunch of brain washed Communists" are most certainly not neutral views, and are not appropiate here. But that's all I have to say. 72.79.208.93 01:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

actually there were dark jedi, but i don't think that classifys them as jedi's though, because they have fallen to the dark side of the force. oops sorry didnt notice the administrator warning tell now --Dr.Pepper's Krayt Dragon 04:04, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I Find It Funny ...

... that an organization made up of only thousands of individuals centered on a single planet could ever be capable of keeping the peace in an entire galaxy, let alone have a major part in a Clone War. 64.180.93.200 01:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Jedi weren't centered on a single planet, they were spread out across the galaxy, constantly moving from one mission/assignment to another, plus they had bases/outposts all over the galaxy (dantooine, almas, taris, ossus and others). 96.240.222.190 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought that, according to the EU, the Jedi abandoned most of their bases/outposts after the Ruusan Reformation, leaving Jedi to live/train on Coruscant only. If that's so, then they wouldn't be very numerous, and pretty ineffective as a galactic police force. It would be like the NYPD trying to patrol the entire planet; it simply wouldn't work. 64.180.93.200 19:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• The fact is they don't alone bring peace to the galaxy it was down to the normal people in most cases,and I find it funny when people think only clones and Jedi were fighting in the clone wars because planets had there own militia and do really think when a plant was being attacked they just sat on they buts and waited for the Jedi?--Bull36 14:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
• It actually makes more sense for them to only have one major training facility and command centre (ie: the Jedi Temple on Coruscant) as it ensures a set standard of training is filtered down through the ranks. Communication over long distances is obviously not a problem due to the holonet, so established Jedi who had completed their training or were out on assignments would not necessarily be out of contact with the council. If you have don't have a central training centre you risk abnormalities and conflicts of policy, which is possibly why they restructured the Order this way after the Ruusan Reformation; the periods before this time were very chaotic with Jedi falling to the dark side a far too common occurrance. Best to bring training 'in-house' to ensure everyone is on the same page of the training manual. IMO, of course. ;-) — beeurd ^talk 19:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally think the whole keep-Jedi-on-Coruscant-only-to-keep-students-from-turning-to-the-dark-side thing kind of stupid, but I digress ... The point is such a restriction places the Jedi at a disadvanage when it comes down to a war. A 100 thousand on a single planet can't make much of a contribution in a war that span a galaxy and invlving trillions of individuals. 64.180.93.200 19:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean that to be the sole reason. And remember that they weren't supposed to be soldiers fighting a war. — beeurd ^talk 19:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes they weren't. Still, they did fight in a war. Even before that they were serving as an intergalactic police force; their lack of numbers would have put them at a disadvantage doing even that. 64.180.93.200 19:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Please read the notice at the top of this page: "This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question."

This discussion has no relevance to the article itself, and therefore is not appropiate. Talk pages aren't forums. If you want to discuss this somewhere, take it to an actual forum, such as the forums at TheForce.net or Starwars.com. 72.79.208.93 20:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Trust your feelings"

• I don't get why jedi are always "following their feelings"? It is in with the code, seeing as that deals with emotion I think it's arguable subject whther it makes sense or not--71.93.38.34 15:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC) anoymous
• Jedi were not taught to suppress their emotions like a Vulcan, they were taught to keep their most powerful emotions (love, hate, anger) in check and to not let them consume them. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 15:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
• As explained in Shatterpoint, Jedi are trained from an early age to actually replace base emotions—the ones that flow naturally, such as anger and hate—with ones of selflessness and sacrifice, which are highly unnatural feelings. Thus, a Jedi can safely "trust his instincts" or "trust his feelings." Makashi Flourish 14:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage?

I was trying to research the subject of marriage between Jedi and non-Jedi and a Jedi to another Jedi pre-Ruusan Reformation, but the article was lacking. Is there any further information as such? For example, was it common? Was it frowned upon or accepted? Specifically what I'm looking for is how it would be viewed during the Great War/Cold War eras. O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Jedi were not permitted to marry, it was againt the jedi code. though there have been secret marriages between jedi and jedi and jedi and non-jedi.--Dr.Pepper's Krayt Dragon 04:02, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that Jedi marriage was more common pre-Reformation. One could use the Nomi Sunrider's marriage or the later romance between Naomi and Ulic Qel-Droma as examples. 11:51, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Jedi Sayings

I read the book The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi and it tells how Qui-Gon Jinn tells Obi-Wan after he builds his lightsaber "the crystal is the heart of the blade. the heart is the crystal of the jedi. the jedi is the crystal of the force. the force is the blade of the heart. all our intwined: the crystal, the blade, the jedi. you are one." I think they should put a spot for that in the lightsaber training part of the article.--Dr.Pepper's Krayt Dragon 04:13, October 25, 2009 (UTC)