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1 Shaela Nuur
2 Obi-Wan
3 Anakin Skywalker Sentinel
4 "admirable combat skill"
5 The case for Visas, and conformity
6 SAGA Edition
7 A balance between the 3 main classes?
8 Atton as a Sentinel?
9 Celeste Morne as a Sentinel
10 Revan
11 See also

Shaela NuurEdit

Does anyone know what source states Shaela Nuur as a Jedi Sentinel? I'm not arguing that it isn't out there, I'm just curious as to where it is said. Thanks. -- Master Dakari 06:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well she weilded a yellow lightsaber in Shadows and Light so it's a plausible assumption based upon the era in which that comic was placed NaruHina 01:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Obi-WanEdit

Where is it established that he's a sentinel and watchman? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need a source for that. --Jedimasterbob 20:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Watchman? Which planet did he oversee? Tatooine? Being defensive is not because he was a Jedi Watchman, but because he mastered Soresu. - TopAce 21:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker SentinelEdit

Shouldnt anakin be a sentinel He is powerful with the force and lightsaber found ballance as well has other skills such as repair and piloting. —Unsigned comment by 64.12.116.69 (talk • contribs).

No. Only if they are identified in a canon source as a sentinel. Lonnyd 07:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- I know that since it is now 2008, and the last comment for this section was posted on 24 August 2006, this is a very late message. But: I think that Anakin has been sourced--- I forgot what source though ---as a Jedi Guardian. Cyfiero II 01:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"admirable combat skill"Edit

If a Sentinel's combat skills are admirable, what would you call a Guardian's combat skills? Whoever added this must be a great fan of the Sentinel class and it's POV and factually incorrect. When I played KotOR and had Jolee and Basile with me (when I was a Guardian), it was ALWAYS Bastila who died first. - TopAce 11:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, you got a point here but don't exaggerate... It's true that "admirable" is a bit too much for a Sentinel (compared to a Guardian), but in the games the Sentinel is way more formidable than the Consular regarding to hand-to-hand combat. The reason why Bastila always died first is probably because Jolee stayed back and used his force powers (Force Whirlwind and Stun tend to protect from attracting much opposition) and because you as a Guardian lasted longer than her (having better HP and stuff). Besides my player in KOTOR II was a Sentinel and he definitely wasn't the one who died first... —Unsigned comment by 87.239.237.15 (talk • contribs).
TopAce...I think u're just a great fan of the Guardian class. It might've been POV, but just because someone said that the skills of Sentinel was "admirable", doesn't mean that they didn't think of Guardian as bein more "admirable." That person might be both a fan of Sentinel and Guardian. You don't know their POV of Guardian. I know that this doesn't have to do with change in the article. But I just can't help protecting whoever said that Sentinels were admirable because from my experience, not much people likes Sentinels. I'm a great fan of them also, but I don't think that fans who are not of Sentinels should be underestimating them. They're still Jedi afterall so they all should deserve the same respect. Cyfiero II 01:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The case for Visas, and conformityEdit

I can understand the rationale for keeping Visas as a possible, or removing her and the other KOTOR2 people altogether, but I do not agree with it. If we are going to call her Sentinel class gameplay mechanics, then we have some problems. The first being that all of these titles, all of these "classes" started as gameplay mechanics and later "evolved" into tangible, in-universe rankings. Look at our current list of Jedi Guardians; it has suddenly exploded with documented examples, and many of these examples cannot be anything other than game mechanics for roleplaying (Yun and Gorc, for instance, could not have possibly held a rank of "Guardian" in the Jedi Order). Another thing to consider is that these characters, even Atton and Mira, are destined to become Jedi. This is in accordance with Kreia's prophecy, which we have no reason to believe is false. They may not have official titles given from established Jedi Masters, but, much like those of the New Jedi Order, they are unquestionably the new Jedi. Visas Marr, particularly, is the only one of these who is already trained (as a Dark Jedi, granted), and she understands both the Force and lightsaber combat regardless of how the Exile interacts with her. It may be game mechanics that she is specifically identified as a Sentinel, but the Sentinel identity itself is first and foremost game mechanics that have been adopted into narrative. If her generation of Jedi uses those three titles (which they apparently do, as the titles exist for later Jedi like Obi-Wan), then it can only be assumed that Visas would assume this one. Even further, the Star Wars Miniatures game Jedi Sentinel is modeled off of Visas. This is why I believe she should definatively be among those listed. -BaronGrackle 02:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If Visas has Sentinel levels in-game, she should be on the list. No question. QuentinGeorge 05:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- To repeat, they're not officially members of the Jedi Order. - Sikon 07:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  - To repeat: That doesn't matter. Neither was Yun. But both received training from a Jedi. QuentinGeorge 07:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    - An exiled Jedi. - Sikon 08:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
      - As stated by Mical and even a few of the Jedi Masters themselves, "exile" was the Jedi Exile's choice. The council could not have forced her to do such a thing. But with the galaxy in such dire need of Jedi, and with there no known Masters - except a few - to train any willing Force-sensitives, the Exile had every right to forsake her sentencing and join the ranks of the Order once again. (Regardless of a few game glitches, even Vrook says at one point, "We may be the last." This statement further identifies her as a member of the Order.) Also, being a fully-trained Jedi Knight she had all the prerequisites needed to take on apprentices and train them in the way of the Jedi. And with no valid Jedi Council to forbid nor deny her decisions and actions, they go unquestioned and justified. In essence, being one of the few legitimate Jedi left in the galaxy, and the only one making any strides to bring the Order from the brink of extinction, her will was law; unopposed, and rightly so. Just as Luke Skywalker built the New Jedi Order, so too did the Jedi Exile reconstruct the old Jedi Order through the teaching of her party members, the true Jedi upon whom the future is to be built. And Visas had formal training under Darth Nihilus. Sith training, but training in the Force and lightsaber combat nonetheless. And after she joined the party of the Jedi Exile, she was redeemed and became one of the Exile's many apprentices. Visas was saved to the point of even aiding in the death of her former dark master. She is, for all intents and purposes, a legitimate Jedi by the time the game comes to a close.--Master Dakari 04:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
        I know this is kind of late, but... I don't think one has to be a Jedi to be part of the three classes of Jedi Guardian, Jedi Sentinel, or Jedi Consular. It's just a class. Also, isn't it possible to name Sith as Dark Jedi Guardians, Dark Jedi Sentinels, and Dark Jedi Consulars? I know that Dark Jedi and Sith are not the same. But since Sith came from Dark Jedi, then it should apply. The three classes apply to Jedi, Sith, adn Dark Jedi. Cyfiero II 01:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

SAGA EditionEdit

Jedi Sentinels appear as a talent tree under the Jedi base class in SAGA edition of the Star Wars RPG. I tried to edit the article to represent that, but the edit got deleted.

Plz sign ur message. I think that u should try it again. Cyfiero II 01:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

A balance between the 3 main classes?Edit

I always thought the Sentinel, while skilled in both the ways of the Force and lightsaber combat, had no true mastery of either one.--The K.O. King 03:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The Guardian focuses on lightsaber mastery, the Consular focuses on Force mastery, and the Sentinel focuses on other skills. Look at it this way (based on training): (1-3)

Guardian: Lightsaber-(3) / Force-(1) / Skills-(1)

Sentinel: Lightsaber-(2) / Force-(2) / Skills-(3)

Consular: Lightsaber-(1) / Force-(3) / Skills-(1)

This may vary depending on the innate talents of each Jedi (e.g. a Consular might be good at hacking computers). Try not to look at it as game mechanics all the time, the real world isn't based on statistics so why should this. Also, the classes are simply a method of training; at school you can have compulsory lessons (Maths, Science, etc), but you can also take non-curricular lessons on the side (such as Archery or Wargames etc). Darth Raivon 15:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Atton as a Sentinel?Edit

I thought that Atton Rand was a Jedi Sentinel also. Isn't it canon that the Jedi Exile trained Atton to become a Jedi? Or is that unconfirmed? If u train him to become a Jedi, he'll become a Jedi Sentinel. I think that he should be added on the list. Cyfiero II 01:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Let me paraphrase, "I think he should be added on the list," "But I'm not sure."=] Cyfiero II 07:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's unconfirmed that the Exile trained any of her companions to be Jedi. -- I need a name (Complain here) 11:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  - Oh, ok then. Thanks, I didn't know that... Cyfiero II 08:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Celeste Morne as a SentinelEdit

I would make the case that Celeste Morne should be added as a Jedi Sentinel. We know that she was a Jedi Shadow and her function was the same as a sentinel. I tired to add her and Zayne Carrick to the list (citing sources for both) and organize the page a little bit more. But it keeps on getting reverted back. —Unsigned comment by M Brennan (talk • contribs).

Just because it may "seem" like someone has the same function doesn't mean they are Sentinels. It has to be explicitly stated somewhere. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 01:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

RevanEdit

Revan balanced the light and the dark, so why not lightsaber and force powers? Revan is very skilled and for some time was a jedi. So, I guess it is possible Revan was a jedi sentinel.

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