Talk:Jedi Trials

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Contents 1 "Controlled settings" 2 The Specifics of Each of the Trials 3 This article needs more details. 4 Knighting phrase change to Quote 5 Pictures + KOTOR 6 NJO Trials 7 Failing Trials 8 1st paragraph 9 Luke's Failure 10 Merger 11 Trial of the Mind? 12 Individual Jedi Trials 13 Trial failure

[edit] "Controlled settings"

Someone clear this up for me... How are the trials conducted in a controlled setting? On basically all of the examples for the trials they were in real-world settings. Also, how would the trial of the flesh even possibly be conducted in a controlled setting? What would they do for the flesh trial? Sadistically wound the padawan or kill someone close to them? Is there even a source for this "controlled settings" junk? Jedibob5 21:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Good question. I'm not really sure myself. The best know Jedi Trials (Anakin's, Luke's, and Malek's) varied. The Secret Apprentice's trials were mostly controlled by Vader. However Anakin and Luke's were real-world and not controlled. I think it has to do with the Jedi Master who is administrating them.--TheDoctor42 20:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Specifics of Each of the Trials

In The Clone Wars microseries part II, I do happen to remember mention of what each trial was designed to test. I can't remember precisely what each of them was,though. I think the last one (Anakin's trial in the Cave on Nelvaan) was testing Anakin's "fight against his inner demons," so to speak, where the Jedi deals with inner conflict. I believe either Obi-Wan or Yoda was the one that said it. Can anyone affirm any of this?--Knightfall 23:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• I just added them. -- SFH 00:13, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs more details.

There are two very important novels which include lots of information on the Jedi trials, 'MedStar' (I and II) and also 'Jedi Trial'. This page is very important, and I believe it should be very in-depth, and it's not. Perhaps it should be put in the 'Improvement Drive'. —Unsigned comment by Apprentice Anakin (talk • contribs).

I agree, those are the only sources we have on the jedi trials so they should be on there.it should be on the 'Improvement Drive'. —Unsigned comment by DarthNemesis (talk • contribs).

What on f*** is that all about 'if a Padawan turns to the Darkside a Jedi Shadow is assigned to kill him IF REQUIRED????? That is the biggest load of crap ever!

• I've never heard of anything like that and it sure doesn't fit my idea of the Jedi. Sounds a lot like fan stuff.

What doesn't make sense is the first trial. How were they given promotion to being a Jedi Knight during the post-Reformation period (the whole 1000 years before the Clone wars) if there weren't any Sith or (minimally) Dark Jedi? It can't just be a duel with a dark warrior.

• Example is Aayla Secura. She was made a Knight after battling the Morgukai warrior Bok on Kintan - Kwenn 16:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Does the Trial of Skill necessarily have to be a fight or can it be a simple test in lightsaber combat against another Jedi (nonlethal, obviously)?

• When Anakin mentioned that he was "ready for the trials" in Attack of the Clones, that suggests that the Trials are a controlled procedure, not chance events that occur (as was the case with Anakin and Luke). Any comment on that?

[edit] Knighting phrase change to Quote

• I suggest converting the Knighting phrase (the "....i dub thee, Jedi, Knight of the Republic" phrase) into Quote format, either in the middle of the main article or at the top. Comment? Darth Kevinmhk 04:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures + KOTOR

• OK, so I know virtually nothing about Jedi Trials but I would like to help. Are there any pictures that we could use for this? At all? Maybe the Luke scenes from the movie at least? Also, I believe that in the new KOTOR comic there is going to be a flashback part the trial of Zayne, Shad, and their fellow Padawans. The issue was released yesterday, and I subscribe through the mail, so I should have it tomorrow or Saturday. I'll update with any information from there when I get it. - Breathesgelatin 04:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Speaking about KOTOR I, the trials Revan has to finish, have no relation to those ones. Why is then KOTOR I referenced in the Appearances section? MoffRebus 08:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• In KotOR II, it is stated that the Jedi Exile was indeed a Knight when she left for the Mandalorian Wars - that bit needs to be corrected. Evidence: the Disciple mentions that he was to be assigned to be the Exile's Padawan, but when she left for the war he left the Jedi Order.--Goodwood 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NJO Trials

Anyone want to add the different tests and games Luke presents in the Joiner King to Formbi? --Razzy1319 08:06, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failing Trials

What happens if one fails the trials?--64.231.167.68 22:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If you fail a trial you will retake it when your skill improves.--TheDoctor42 20:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 1st paragraph

• It seems that the first paragraph of this article describes the actual knighting ceremony that comes after the trials -shouldn't it be moved there?Tocneppil 22:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It's very confusing to call up a page looking for information about Jedi Trials, and start by reading the details of the knighting ceremony. Someone is liable to think that all it takes to become a Jedi is for someone to say the 'magic words' and cut off his braid. Some trial.

[edit] Luke's Failure

How can Luke's experience in the Dark Side Cave be an example of passing the Trial of Spirit when Yoda says "remember your failure in the cave" when Luke is about to leave for Bespin? Yoda clearly considers the events in the Dark Side Cave to be a failure rather than a success for Luke and uses this failure as a reason why Luke should not go to face Vader yet. Kyp-Durron 17:30, 09 August 2007 (UTC)

• Who says that the trial of spirit must be a "success?" It requires one to look inside one's self and see who one really is. Victory has little to do with it. Jedibob5 22:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • That's not 100% true, Jedibob5, I think the trial has to do with personal growth. If a jedi looks into himself but doesn't grow or change for the better than I would regard the trial as a failure. Using this logic Luke's was a sucess.

[edit] Merger

I think there is no need for separate articles about each trial, their text is practically the same as here. They should be merged into this article. Domlith 11:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC) (sorry, I forgot to sign when I made this proposal)

[edit] Trial of the Mind?

In the downloadable content for The Force Unleased, I believe Starkiller embarks on another trial at the temple and its called the Trial of the Mind. Should this be added? It seems a bit similar though to the Trial of the Spirit as Marek ends up fighting a darkside version of himself. Darth Batrus 13:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

• Read the article, man. It says unusual trials are sometimes used. Also, that is extra-downloaded content and not canon. However, the likelihood Vader would have his apprentice have many Trials is high. --TheDoctor42 20:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Individual Jedi Trials

The list of Jedi Trials examples is just going to keep growing and growing. Why not have a small Jedi Trial section on each Jedi Knight's page? The section will have info on that Jedi Knight's trials and possible trials. That will keep this page from being overloaded with lists of trials and possible trials.

Obviously, not all Jedi Knights have known trials, so only Jedi with known or suspected Jedi Trails can ern a "Jedi Trials" section on their page. --AnotherForlong

[edit] Trial failure

Just wondering, what happens to a jedi that dosen't pass the trials? Do they have to do them again or what? --Jedijake123 21:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC) yes