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Other resources Edit

Hey- I recently added a buttload of content to the regular Wikipedia's Jerec article, incorporating all the new stuff from the Wizards article (f'er example, Jerec is now actually a Miraluka). So if anyone is up to merging them... --Maru 14:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I added all the new pre-Empire info for him. Just a bit more on his later life is required. (And there's quite a bit of crap in the wikipedia article which is pointless, I might add.) --QuentinGeorge 22:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hmmph. Forgive me if I perfer to err on the side of completeness, and provide context and background while not assuming everyone who is reading it is a hardcore SW weenie. Everyone a critic... --Maru 01:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, no offence intended. I just don't think we need to put EVERYTHING from the article in, vertabrim. Feel free to add it yourself if you disagree, however.

QuentinGeorge 01:21, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Ok...changed my mind. The article is going to be expanded. All is forgiven, Maru! QuentinGeorge 10:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

'Empty Sockets' Edit

Miraluka apparently had milky white eyes, not empty sockets. Shouldn't it be so for Jerec? --Fade 22:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yep. Feel free to amend. --QuentinGeorge 22:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • I'd say, it shouldn't be so, since Jerec is described as having empty eye socket in canonical material. KEJ 10:32, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • This post is old. It has now been established that Miraluka indeed have empty sockets (see Visas Marr). - Sikon [Talk] 10:40, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • Yeah, okay, but now I'm wondering wich source described the milky-white bit. Another question is why does a species that does not have eyes have eyesockets? KEJ 12:17, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • They don't. Tales of the Jedi Companion pictures (albeit slightly obscured) them as having an even surface from the nose up. Just the eyes removed and nothing in their place, basically. Hence why the canonical material contradicts itself, unless the pictures and descriptions from TotJC are retconned/ignored/not canon.
  • What source states that Jerec was a Miraluka? According to the "New Essential Guide to Characters", his species is Human.Bontchev

Jerec's Death Edit

I never beat Jedi Knight, so I just feel like asking: How did Jerec die? The New Essential Guide to characters says he and Kyle charge at each other and Kyle cuts him almost in half, while the Dark Forces articles and the Wiki say Katarn cuts him off from the Valley and then just cuts him down. So just how does Jerec die? Demented Smiloid 21:25, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Something like this, sorry for the format, it is the best way it can be described.

CUTSCENE starts

Jerec kneels and drops lightsaber.

We can see KYLE standing in front of him, roughly three metres away, pointing the cone of his blade towards JEREC's head.

JEREC: I am defenceless. Strike me down, and the power of the Dark Side will be yours. I am sure you haven!t forgotten I was the one who murdered your father

KYLE: No, I haven't

KYLE Force-pulls JEREC's LIGHTSABER

Drops it to JEREC, just next to his hand

JEREC takes up his sabre and starts running towards KYLE, igniting his sabre.

KYLE starts running too and cleaves into JEREC's torso.

JEREC stays stood for a second, then falls down to the ground. Before he stats falling, KYLE deactivates his lightsaber.


He was not cut in half, the wound was not even displayed in the cutscenes. He suffered the same injury as Obi-Wan in ANH, but JEREC's body disappeared in another way. TopAce 17:47 20 Oct 2005 (GMT +1)

Governor? Edit

Jerec is listed in Category:Imperial Governors. What planet was he the Governor of? --SFH 05:37, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering too.... maybe it's Sulon (which is really a moon). --KEJ 10:49, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Sulon sounds right. --Maru (talk) Contribs 19:57, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • It was Sulon, according to our article. -- SFH 19:58, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Dark Forces: Rebel Agent says that he was briefly governor of Sulon, presumably after the events of Soldier for the Empire. Kuralyov 06:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture Edit

What happended to the nice live actor picture? --Razzy1319 01:18, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • There's already one in there. QuentinGeorge 11:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Live action not some crappy cgi rendition --Razzy1319 21:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    • That's not CGI. It's liveaction. The Jerec sprite in the game looks totally different. QuentinGeorge 06:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
File:Jerecsprite.jpg
Thats the CG sprite from the game. QuentinGeorge 06:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Didn't there used to be live-action image here? It was before it was replaced by the one with Yun. Kuralyov 06:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I replaced it some months back because, as a screenshot of a fairly old game, it was blurry and indistinct. This image shows more detail. User:Razzy1319 reverted it without giving a reason. That being said, I'm up for better replacements. Such as this

File:Jerec3.JPG

QuentinGeorge 06:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Personally, I think the NEGTC image would be best. Anyone got a scanner? QuentinGeorge 06:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
    • looks more blurry than the first one :) Just return the first one, please ---Razzy1319 06:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Gotta say, there are many live action shots that would look better than the drawn image. If there's no complaint I'm going to look into changing it HavetStorm 20:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
        • I agree, but we should keep the painted image in the article. It's cool and it depicts a pivotal event. KEJ 20:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Wow. I really don't like the current picture; Jerec looks like some skinny little twirp. Was the live-action one so bad? What about one of the other drawings here? -BaronGrackle 03:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I Agree the new image is terrible. What is the major aversion everyone seems to have to the live action stills? HavetStorm 15:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree, too. Put the old pic back! ;-) KEJ 16:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
      • No, the full body one is much better. The live action pic is far too low quality and blurry. QuentinGeorge 21:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
        • It's ugly and the proportions are not right. KEJ 21:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
          • 1) Irrelevant. 2) It's actually a correct depiction of Jerec, since he's described as "thin and gaunt" in the novels. Sorry, it stays up. QuentinGeorge 21:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Are you saying that a drawing of Chris Neame/Jerec is a better representative of Chris Neame/Jerec than a live action image of Chris Neame/Jerec? And I don't think the ugliness and wrong proportions are irrelevant, since they are quality issues just like the coarse grainedness of the live image is. KEJ 21:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
            • And how is Luke Skywalker described in the novels? Fact of the matter is that Chris Neame IS the model on which Jerec is based, as Mark Hamil is for Luke, as Harrison Ford is for Han. -BaronGrackle 11:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
              • No, Jerec existed before Neame was ever cast for the live-action clips in Dark Forces II. QuentinGeorge 10:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
              • If the problem is simply the resolution can we get a better resolution photo and use that? Surely a photograph is higher canon that a drawing, or perhaps all photos should be replaced by more recently created drawings - Perhaps we should use a Star Wars Manga image for the Luke Skywalker article? HavetStorm 17:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
                • Do you understand the difference between G-Canon and C-Canon? I repeat, Luke from ANH, ESB or ROTJ is a higher canon image because it's from one of the six LFL movies, not because it's live-action. QuentinGeorge 10:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You only live twiceEdit

Apparently, the article states that a) Morgan Katarn was killed several years before Qu Rahn, yet continues with b) that after Rahn's death, only one man knew the secret, Morgan Katarn. And then he's killed by Jerec. Again. What is the correct version here? VT-16 10:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Rahn dies first.--Erl 20:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Or maybe not. Lemme look it up.--Erl 20:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Morgan dies first - Jerec during the Rahn death scene: "Morgan Katarn! This dead man holds the valleys location..." HavetStorm 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Vote for main imageEdit

Gaunt bodyEdit

Jerec NEGTC

On the PlanetEdit

JerecScreenCap
  1. I'd also go with almost any other live-actor image. -BaronGrackle 16:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. KEJ 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. I'm with this image until someone uploads a better live action image.-HavetStorm 17:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Executing MorganEdit

File:Jerec3.JPG

With YunEdit

Jerec

In the ValleyEdit

Jerec1



This vote seems to have dried up and I'd say the results are pretty obvious, so I'm changing the image to the photo. HavetStorm 15:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

  • 1) Images used are not decided by votes, especially when only 3 users vote. 2) This page was still in use. By me. That was incredibly poor form to do so while I was working on it, especially without notifying me that a vote was even taking place. Reverted. Don't move the images again. QuentinGeorge 10:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
    • The simple problem is that image you people keep putting in there is simply not high enough quality to go in the infobox without pixelating. I don't know what resolution you people are running at it, but it looks truly awful on a decent one. QuentinGeorge 11:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Quentin, we do appreciate all the work you are doing to maintain and update this article. The few people who do check out this page are rare Jedi Knight fans in a world where Star Wars gamers are increasingly born from KOTOR or Battlefront, and whose Kyle Katarn fans have heard less and less about his first two games; we really like the fact that you are making the Jerec article more and more presentable. But we also LIKED the live actor image. Sure, there are a few pixels, but it's not awful, not by a long shot. Our issue is that any other Dark Jedi page has an actual image of the actor who played him/her, whereas this one seems almost along the lines of caricature. Also, whenever you refer to "you people", you are referring to every single other person on this issue other than yourself. Perhaps we could try out the actor image once again for a little while, to see how it works out this time? -BaronGrackle 12:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • OK so how is the image to be decided? Would you rather it be changed back and fore every time someone who has a differing opinion visits the page until it descendes into childish name calling? Or perhaps you simply overide the opinion of us people? (which means pretty much everyone except you).

You are right there were only three votes for the image, but there were only three votes in total - that suggests to me that only three people care which image is used, plus you of course so thats 75% for the photo and 25% for whichever is your prefered image - that's a clear majority.

I'm running a fairly decent monitor and the image doesn't look terrible to me, not perfect, but certainly not unusable - far from it infact. I'll take a look on my mates monitor when I get a chance because it is very good and if it turns out that somehow my monitor is not showing how truly awfull the image is and I realise that it is unusable I still won't agree that the latest drawing is the best. This won't be out of stuborness, but because out of all the options it's the worst. HavetStorm 18:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hair Edit

  • Has anyone else noticed that Christopher Neame actually had hair when he portrayed Jerec. The in-game CG Jerec was completely bald and the image in the New Essential Guide to Characters is of a completely bald Jerec.--Darth Oblivion 02:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I knew he wasn't *quite* bald, but I seem to have not noticed how he's been portrayed as such, from time to time. I guess you're right about the in-game CG version; silly sprites didn't even give Kyle his beard. :-) Other depictions--such as the novella illustrations--are kind enough to give him that wonderful monk-like ring around the skull. Guess the infobox needs to be changed. Is that brown hair, then? -BaronGrackle 14:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Makashi?Edit

"It was during his time under Jocasta Nu that he also learned Form II Makashi." Huh. Okay, I'm going to ask for a source on this. Yrfeloran 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the article Jerec's lightsaber skills gave him a defence that was not penetrable (I immediately thought of Form III: Soresu)90.204.73.204 17:43, June 29, 2011 (UTC)Makashi-Master

Emperor's Hand?Edit

What's the source for that? Wasn't he supposed to be an Inquisitor? Evir Daal 08:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld Edit

Where is it said that Jerec is from Alpheridies? - Sikon 19:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Force-sensitive and all Edit

Hi all. I was wondering... During the OT era, there was only 2 Jedi left, right? Ben and Yoda? But about the Sith and Dark Jedi, how many were there?... At least two Sith, Vader and Palpatine, and?... I don't really know the EU material for this period and was wondering if it didn't contradict the OT, with last hope of the Jedi Order and all that stuf... Anyone to enlighten this for me?... Klow 10:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Someone may be able to answer this better, but... so far as I know, while there were only two Sith (the two "Darths"), Palpatine allowed and cultivated other Force sensitives under him. Jerec was one of these; Mara Jade is another popular example. -BaronGrackle 21:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Image questionEdit

If you will take a look at the edit history between my edits, and 67.142.130.18, who I understand is Havoc:
Havoc seems to think that an image I placed in the article doesn't fit. I disagree. The image was placed in an open area of the article that corresponded with the image content where there was room for it, in my opinion. Rather than tempt the 3RR on this, I'll just ask for other Wookieepedians' opinions on the matter to decide. Thanks. - JMAS 20:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Not only that, the image also depicts a crucial event. I must agree with JMAS on this one. We could always vote for it of course, provided that voting is still allowed on the Wook. KEJ 22:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmm. The image itself is ugly (yellow Rahn?) and if we decided we had to have an image of this, I'd much rather have a screenshot of the same event from the game itself. Beyond that, it's far too close to the other images, especially when you consider the spacing of all the other images. It's an article, not a gallery. If you absolutely insisted on it, the image of Jerec blasting Rahn (a much more interesting image, IMO) would have to go, and I'd want to move it to the powers section, but that's already crowded with the great image of Jerec rising from the Valley. There really isn't a place for it and it's not very interesting, appealing, or illustrative as an image. It's an old man with his head next to the head of an apparently jaundiced other man. The moment itself is important to Jerec, but the visual depiction of it in an article on Jerec less so. I really see no reason to keep it. Havac 23:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Again, the images being crowded is your opinion, and one others may not agree with. I don't think either of the images has to be removed or relocated. They both fit there, and both correspond with the text at that point of the article. As for the image color, Rahn's color looks off, a little sickly because he just got blasted with an incapacitating blast of dark side Force power. And if you look at the image, the little blue energy around Rahns head is depicts the Force power Jerec is using to, for all intents and purposes, rape his mind. If you can get a screencapture from the video game for that exact moment, then that's fine with me, but until then, I think the image should remain. - JMAS 00:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, yes, it's my opinion. And the image fitting is your opinion and others may not agree with it. However, I have the fact that no other images are that closely clustered. You can't disagree that it's out of tune with the image placement of the rest of the article, whether you mind the amount of text in-between or not. You're missing my point. Yes, it shows Jerec doing something. But if "showing Jerec doing something" were the only criteria for an image being in this article, every second of every cutscene would be on here. It shows Jerec doing something. The deed he's doing is, yes, interesting. But as a visual depiction of that deed, it is not a particularly exciting or illustrative of anything. If it comes down to "Old man putting a blue glow over another man's head" vs. "Old man blasting the other man with a ball of Force energy" I'm going to have to go with the second as a better image for the article. Not a better "important Jerec moment". A better image belonging in the article. One shows a very unique and visually intriguing power being deployed. The other shows a guy standing next to another guy deploying a power which is not particularly visual and doesn't make much of an image. And, again, it's an article, not a gallery. That point seems to be lost here. Put it on the Mind rape page or wherever that power is located. Then create a Jerec gallery and put it in there too with all the other Jerec images. But they don't all need to be on the bloody article half an inch from the next one. Havac 03:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC
        • Alright. I see you point. I disagree on some points, but hey, life would get boring if we all agreed about everything. I'll let it be. :) - JMAS 13:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Powers section Edit

That section needs improvement, and I try to work on it, my efforts were reverted relentlessly as the previous verion was some kind of Gospel and now the page is locked. --Master Starkeiller 00:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • It was locked by me because of all the reverts that I've seen happen today. It was not directed solely at you, SK. This simply allows the changes to be discussed here on the talk page, for a consensus to be reached by those involved, and then for those changes to be implemented. For now, I'm stepping back and won't be involved other than to monitor the situation. I'll unlock the page when I believe a consensus has been reached. Greyman(Paratus) 00:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Your edits consisted of either adding grossly redundant information, removing information, or making stuff up. Sorry, but I don't see how that improves anything. Havac 01:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Let's see: Adding information (I'll pass "grossly redundant" as an irrelevant to the current discussion and biased comment on the quality of the information), removing information, making stuff up. Hmmmm, and what does editing in this website constitutes of if not adding and removing information? Do you ever do anything else here? Perhaps you use the article to paint? Snowboard? Bunjee jumping? This is not a "my version or your version" thing. That part of the article needs improvement and I will not allow you to guard it like a lioness guards her young. If you don't like the way I handled it, I or someone else will write it again, but some parts needed to be changed. It will not stay as it is forever, word by word. --Master Starkeiller 11:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
        • Thanks for that highly informative paragraph. So, explaining intimately the nature of the Valley's power each and every time the Valley is mentioned isn't grossly redundant? Removing information from an article is a good and needed thing now? Making up stuff is good now? If all you can say is, "It's bad and needs fixing and I won't let it stay the way it is," you're not going to get anywhere, because that's not a justification. Explain yourself. What needs to be changed and why? Why should you change a description of a blast of white light into a Force Push? Havac 17:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
          • The point is, I don't care. I'm not gonna argue about the wording in some sad little article in some website with someone I don't even know. I tried to edit it, with my only bloody intention being to improve it, you don't like that for some mysterious reason, okay, I don't care after the point that I have to defend my choice of words. Fuck the article, I don't care, write whatever you want and guard it with teeth and talons against anyone who dares edit it. See if I care... The people on this website amaze me... --Master Starkeiller 18:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
            • I have no problem with anyone editing an article I've written. I've never had a problem with that. So long as the change is positive. I didn't see that change as at all positive. I asked you to explain why it's positive. You apparently can't, so you throw a hissyfit instead. Fine, but don't say it's my fault your edits didn't go through. Havac 19:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
              • It's just that the weird and unique nature of his powers needs to be mentioned, its connection with existing Force powers discussed (what's up with all those bloody energy flashes, if it's not Force Push, what could it be, we don't see it anywhere else), and some parts of the paragraph exaggerating his powers toned down a bit. That's what I tried to do, a change I deemed positive. Point is, I feel stupid having to defend my choice of words in a free-content website and what really pissed me off was you reverting it back, word-by-word, when some of it seemed so wrong. There you go, I explained. --Master Starkeiller 19:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
                • The article already mentions how the unusual powers are fairly unusual. However, I don't see how changing the article from saying "It's something that acts like Force Push but doesn't look like it," to "It's Force Push with a funny effect," fits your stated goals. And of course you have to defend your choice of words, because while it may be a website anyone can edit, it's a website anyone can edit. Including people who don't like your edits. Havac 20:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
                  • May I propose we stress a little bit the fact that Jerec's use of the Force is somewhat of a mystery and tone down some of the exaggerations, in a way that makes the people who don't like my edits happy? --Master Starkeiller 20:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
                    • There are no exaggerations so far as I can see; if you're wondering about the Force Rage bit, that's because it's not Force Rage. It's the RPG Force feat Hatred, as described in the Dark Side Sourcebook. I'll stress the mystery a bit, though. Havac 20:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
                      • By "exaggerations", I meant the power he received from the valley, as well as the unnecessary final phrase. The powers would be limited by the powers of the trapped spirits—that is why I stressed that he drew upon them—and thus they wouldn't be exactly "unlimited", but very impressive nonetheless.--Master Starkeiller 20:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Date confusionEdit

Jerec died in 5 ABY, and was part of Pentastar Alignment. the Ardus Kaine article says he formed Alignment during the Pestage/Isard strugglle (4 ABY, IIRC). This seems to indicate PA was formed 4-5 ABY. But the Pentastar Talks/Alignment treaty, acc to Wookieepedia, happened 7 ABY. What's with such a late date?JustinGann 11:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Dark Forces audio drama Edit

Does anybody know who voiced Jerec in Dark Forces audio dramas? Mauser 13:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Conceptart Edit

So i was wondering why there is no concept art of Jerec here in his article?

I mean there are three pieces from the game that have been published.--83.179.2.10 23:07, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Erroneous Canon tab Edit

The article has an erroneous Canon tab that in fact leads to the Canon article for Jerec (Deputy Minister). Is there any way to remedy that other than changing the latter's Canon article name, which shouldn't be done given him being the only Canon Jerec? I'd suggest possibly actually renaming this Jerec to Jerec (Inquisitor)? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:17, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

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