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Phasma Edit

In the end of the trailer we see her in an Empire outfit...could this mean she joins the Empire? I know this might sound crazy, but...what is she is the person who eventually becomes Captain Phasma? What do you think?Unsigned comment by QuasimodoBellringer (talk • contribs).

  • This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, but feel free to discuss theories on the discussion page! - Cwedin(talk) 02:04, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
  • Captain Phasma was played by Lupita Nyong'o. And anyways, she'd be dead by the time of Episode VII.
  • No Phasma was played by Gwendoline Christie and Jyn was killed on Scarif. JS-4422 (talk) 11:21, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

Name spelling Edit

Should it not be "Jan Ors"? Where does the spelling of her name come from? Unsigned comment by 86.89.183.93 (talk • contribs).

  • Hi! Apparently, the name was revealed in an article on Entertainment Weekly. And no, it's not Jan Ors, because Jan Ors is a Legends character, and thus non-canon. We have to assume that the great resemblance between Ors and Erso, both in name and role, is pure coincidence—although I don't believe that at all. --LelalMekha (talk) 12:52, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
    • I think it's Jan Ors, but renamed. Plot is very similar to Dark Forces, but they didn't have rights to use Jan Ors or Kyle Katarn names. Or they will change it and LucasFilm confirmation was just special move to distract us. I hope so. {{SUBST:podst:ZieloneDaewooTico/podpis}} 14:45, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
      • Lucasfilm does have the rights to those names, there is no reason they would release a trailer with the main character using a different name than they intended for the final release. Her name is Jyn Erso like it or not. Overlordjeff (talk) 15:07, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

Quotes: Trailers vs Film Edit

Is it safe to go ahead and remove all the quotes that did not end up in the finished film? There seem to be quite a few. ThatNerdWhoEditsWikis (talk) 07:30, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

  • Go ahead and remove them from the main article. We can still keep them in the Behind the Scenes section though.Shayn Mikel (talk) 07:50, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

AliasesEdit

Is there any chance that the spelling for her aliases might be incorrect? Could it be "Liana Halleck" instead? (since Star Wars took much inspiration from Dune, I figured this might be a nod to the series).

I saw it with subtitles and it was Hallik. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 20:38, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
The reference I used in the article is Star Wars: Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide, which spells it as Hallik. -- Dr. Porter Resistance starbird (Talk|Contribs) 23:43, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

2.5 Updated references Edit

The toys call her "Sergeant Jyn Erso", but this is not referenced anywhere in the film (where she quite clearly isn't part of the Rebellion). Is it possible that the sergeant rank is from the first cut of the movie that was substantially changed by the reshoots? Unsigned comment by 98.191.72.254 (talk • contribs).

  • In the novelization she is given the rank of Sergeant by Taidu Sefla shortly before the Battle --Lewisr (talk) 20:39, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • Also is mentioned in the ultimate visual guide --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:47, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Spoiler WarningEdit

At what point do we remove the Rogue One spoiler tags on every article. We're coming up on two months since it's been in theaters. Secutor IV (talk) 01:15, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

  • If I'm not mistaken, Wookieepedia policy dictates that we wait 60 days before removing spoiler warnings relevant to a feature-length theatrical film. All other narrative media (TV episodes, TV movies, video games, comics, books, etc) is 30 days. Wait until 2/14/2017 to remove the templates. Shayn Mikel (talk) 05:41, February 3, 2017 (UTC)
    • Didn't know of that. Thanks. Secutor IV (talk) 05:45, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

Sergeant Edit

According to Gary Whitta Jyn was not a sergeant in the film. Information to the contrary is based on an early script draft in which her backstory was completely different. [1]. - Xanderen 11:01, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

Two more actresses Edit

May be someone should add girls Beau and Dolly Gadsdon, who played little Jyn to the section "Behind the scene"? --185.13.35.122 15:58, March 23, 2017 (UTC)

Novelization and Rebel Rising DiscrepanciesEdit

There are some notable discrepancies in Jyn's biography between the Rogue One novelization and the new Rebel Rising novel, specifically in the circumstances regarding Jyn's arrest and sentencing to the prison camp we find her at the beginning of the movie; the two books give two different crimes that she was caught red-handed in.

How do we sort out which is more accurate for the purposes of the article?

J. Sparrow (talk) 18:59, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

  • What does the Rogue One novel say and what does Rebel Rising say? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:03, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
    • RR has her being arrested in the Five Points system for forging scandocs after being set up by an Imperial admiral, while the RO novelization and Rebel Dossier has the event documented in her article. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 19:57, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
      • The accounts are completely incompatible. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:33, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Can we say e.g. "According to some sources, this happened[ref], while according to another source, that happened[ref]"? JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 22:35, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

  • Wouldn't Rebel Rising supersede the Rogue One novel anyway? We always ignore the novel when it contradicts something from the film, wouldn't this be essentially the same case? -- Dr. Porter Resistance starbird (Talk|Contribs) 22:39, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
  • I think we also, if we have two sources that contradict, usually go with the most recently published. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 22:42, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
    • Do we still assume that her scheme on Corulag happened but wasn't what led to her sentencing to Wobani, or that it didn't happen at all? JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 22:52, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
      • The Rogue One novel does not mention anything about Corulag in regards to Jyn (only Cassian), so the discrepancies must be between Rebel Rising and the Rebel Dossier, but I'm sure the newer source is the one we go with. Edit: disregard my comment I made a mistake--Lewisr (talk) 23:19, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
        • The events at Corulag simply cannot fit into the timeline of events established by Rebel Rising. - Imperial Information Office AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:12, May 6, 2017 (UTC)

The R1 novelization doesn't even confirm that the "petty dictator" scheme was the one that led to Wobani. All we know is that it was an event in her past. The problematic bit is merely the Dossier part saying "until she was arrested on Corulag and sentenced to a labor camp on Wobani", whereas Rebel Rising describes how the ship she was on was boarded by the ISD Authority while approaching Watassay in the Five Points system, which seems totally unrelated to Corulag. One could check this with the two authors directly, but for now the best approach would be to detail the events from Rebel Rising and mention the Dossier version also (which could be anything from a false to a falsified report about her arrest, or a technicality requiring a planet to be listed, but such speculation is not for the article itself). -- PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 10:42, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

I saw that theory on a fan forum was was planning to ask about it here. Would this be a fair way to fix the article, according to our policy:

- Revise the article so that the information from Rebel Rising is included, including the Five Points incident being the reason for arrest (this may take some time and stages).

- Assume that the Rebel Dossier's information (which says she was arrested on a planet, nothing else), is an in-universe piece of misinformation that the Rebellion picked up (unless we get official statement's otherwise), or just leave this out until further notice.

- Re-write the petty dictator incident as something that happened to her before the Five Points System incident (given that the novelization, as pointed out, doesn't actually say that she was sent to Wobani because of it).

Also, if we assume that the Five Points incident from Rebel Rising and the dictator incident from the novelization are separate things, should the conflict tag on the article be revised to waring about a conflict between Rebel Rising and the Dossier?

J. Sparrow (talk) 22:18, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • I saw another thing, not with novelization but with the comic, the comic shows Jyn being abandoned by Saw directly, but rebel rising says Jyn run to the bunker and Saw was fighting with the traitor --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:54, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
    • I noticed that as well, although I suppose the differences could just be attributed to artistic interpretation/visual storytelling. - Cwedin(talk) 06:03, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
  • Beth Revis actually talked about Jyn's charges in this interview with EW, this could be useful for BTS if necessary --Lewisr (talk) 21:55, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Meaning of 22 BBY Edit

I reverted the change of Jyn's birthdate from 21 BBY back to 22 BBY (22 BR1 in the Visual Guide), because the latter does actually match all of Pablo Hidalgo's comments, and he maintains the master calendar, whatever other authors may say. One must bear in mind that 22 BBY isn't just a timespan to be counted backwards, but rather an actual year which is preceded by 23 BBY and followed by 21 BBY, same as 23, 22, and 21 BC in the real world.

We can see in the worksheet Hidalgo published on Twitter that -22 begins in "May 1955" of his internal chronology, while -21 begins in "May 1956", because the idea is that 0 BBY begins in "May 1977". Hidalgo also said that Jyn was born in 1956, between -22 and -21, which works out to the latter half of 22 BBY. That's why the Visual Guide can say that Jyn is 21 but born in 22 BR1: the author knows that her 22nd birthday is still some time away. -- PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 08:52, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • 0 BBY is actually the year leading up to the Battle of Yavin, so it starts in May 1976. I see what you mean about 22 BR1 being correct in that it is like 22 BC, but BBY/ABY has a 0 year either side of the BoY, unlike BC/AD. I hope I'm getting this right, but I made this timeline to show how it all fits in (22 BR1/21 BR1 is equivalent to -22/-21 and their respective years are to the right of their timeline marks). What I've concluded is that Pablo's system is much more complex than BBY/ABY haha. -- Dr. Porter Resistance starbird (Talk|Contribs) 10:26, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
    • Like Dr. Porter said, BBY counts backwards from Yavin; i.e. 7 months before Yavin would be 0 BBY, not 1 BBY. For the same reason, Jyn's birthdate (~21.5 BBY) would be 21 BBY, not 22. This also matches the timeline established by Catalyst, which should probably take precedence either way. - Cwedin(talk) 11:07, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

What is clear is that 1 BR1 does begin in May 1976 according to this chart, and that Pablo Hidalgo sees BR1 and BBY as equivalent (to within a few days, I suppose). I don't have the Galactic Atlas to analyze, but if it very clearly uses 0 ABY and 0 BBY as separate years, then we have a global inconsistency between the two authors, and would have to wait for more canonical sources to establish a definitive interpretation. If 0 BBY is equivalent to Hidalgo's 1 BR1, then 21 BBY would be right. -- PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 11:15, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • To paraphrase Pablo, "BBY/ABY sucks." There are three different interpretations of it (counting backwards, forwards, and literal dating), but I believe counting backwards is the intent, based on the fact that both 0 BBY and 0 ABY exist. From what I've seen of Galactic Atlas, they seem to be treated as separate years, but it's not entirely clear. For now, however, I think we should assume them to be full, separate years just for the sake of consistency. - Cwedin(talk) 11:43, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

But then it seems very risky that Wookieepedia has rushed to adopt ABY/BBY, if it isn't crystal-clear what it's supposed to mean in the canon, and especially because the Story Group maintains that it is only one system out of many (hence the liberty to use BR1 or Lothal Years or something else altogether, depending on the context). What if a canon source were to establish Hidalgo's worksheet interpretation clearly, and Wookieepedia suddenly had to correct a number of year references? The implied solution here is to use whatever approach is most established in Legends (because the individual year-pages should match between the canon and Legends), but then we may be using a Legends system to track canon, which isn't perfect. -- PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 12:12, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • That's an understandable concern, but it's unlikely that the galactic calendar will differ from Legends. If Pablo's calendar was published in some form and was different, then we would have to update the references. That would take a lot of work, but our current interpretation of BBY/ABY is better than nothing. - Cwedin(talk) 14:57, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

A New HopeEdit

why this article says jynn is mentioned indirectly in a new hope?jynn is not mentioned in a new hope --109.48.162.53 15:45, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

  • I believe when Vader says to Leia 'Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you,' Jyn is being referred to, and also in the opening crawl --Lewisr (talk) 15:49, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

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