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"He fought using two blue lightsabers, both of them being normal lightsabers (opposed to one being a short one and one being normal). " -- what is the source on that, he always used one long one short when I played.

  • I'm just as stumped as you. I don't who edited this, or where they found this information at, but they need to have their information correct before posting assumptions.
  • No person has any right to edit things in a way to fit their own agenda. The developers had Kavar fighting, by default, with a regular lightsaber in his right hand, and a short saber in his off-hand. There is no information, that I know of, that states anything to the contrary. If there is, please let me know. But until then, it be changed back.--Master Dakari 03:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I think it was me who edited it. The lightsabers he used seemed of the same length to me. You can observe this when either he is fighting you or he is running into the throne room in the animation. I may be wrong, though, but I still think he uses two normal lightsabers instead of one short and one normal. You know, you CAN use two normal lightsabers, you only get some penalty for your attack rating. - TopAce 09:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Regardless of how the blades may appear while he runs or fights, the hilts are very different. He uses a normal lightsaber, and a short one. Just take a closer look.--Master Dakari 23:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Can someone get a Kavar image? Unless its alright to have a mod included in the image...Redemption

Cryptic[]

"He would stay in the shadows of the Royal Palace, but when he did speak, he was described as being "cryptic as hell.""

Anyone care to cite a source on this statement? If not, it is being deleted. This encyclopedia is not a place for fanon or designing your own stories within the Star Wars universe. Any attempt at posting such things will be deleted! Thank you.--Master Dakari 03:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

  • When the player asks Dhagon Ghent who he thinks the Jedi Master is he says:
"I'm not certain, otherwise I'd tell you. But the man I'm thinking about is smart, likes to stay in the shadows, and is cryptic as hell. If he isn't a Jedi Master, he should become one."
―Dhagon Ghent

--RedemptionRedemptionusersymbolTalk 03:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

    • I suppose he could be - and is - speaking of Kavar, but he never gives a name. Knowing that, I would have let it stay. But I had already deleted it.--Master Dakari 03:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Malak[]

During the Jedi Civil War, Kavar fought Darth Malak in a duel where it was assumed he died Source? Redemption 14:58, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • No idea, probably fanon. At least it isn't in Kavar's .dlg file on Onderon. - [[Use--[(UTC)r:Sikon|Sikon]] [Talk] 16:08, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Mandalore brings this up during the first meeting with Kavar at the Iziz cantina. - Kampfy [Talk] 16:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Exact quote, please? - Sikon [Talk] 15:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
    • "I thought you were killed fighting Malak in the Jedi Civil War."Kampfy [Talk] 15:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • From that perspective, every common Republic soldier and their mamma's third cousin's uncle faught Malak in a lightsaber duel. You are assuming that the quote means that Kavar literally engaged in a one-on-one fight with the Dark Lord, when that is just not what is says. What is being implied by the Exile's exchange is that Kavar was one of the members of the Jedi Order who fought alongside the Republic against Malak and his Sith forces. Nothin more is to be assumed unless there is some source that sheds more light on this supposed exchange between the two.--Master Dakari 03:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Exile as Apprentice?[]

Where does it mention in the game that Kavar could not be the Exile's master? Most fans believe he was her master as a Padawan. --User:24.209.197.137, 00:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Yep. Kavar says that the demands of the Council prevented him from taking the Exile on as a Padawan. -Redemption 05:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Ok, where in the game exactly? --User:24.209.197.137, 01:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
      • When you save Onderon or right before you kill him on Onderon. --Redemption 05:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Then these "most fans" are ignorant. It's like saying that Juhani killed Quatra. - Sikon [Talk] 13:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, I'm playing the game again, so I'll look at Kavar's words specifically. --User:24.209.197.137, 00:02, 9 July 2006
  • He says something along the lines of, "When I first sparred with you during your training as a Padawan, I could see, even then, that you were different." Does this mean that he was the Exile's Master? Not necessarily. He never says it outright. And neither do any of the Exile's comment options. However, I think it would be safe to put in the article something like, "The Jedi Exile is known to have received some degree of training under Master Kavar before the Mandalorian Wars." But to say that she was his padawan might be stretching it a little.--Master Dakari 03:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, when they were both younger, could Kavar have trained her when he was a knight, and then perhaps that's what led him to become a Master and part of the Council? --Jedi Striker 02:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Look, I've played the game numerous times on light and dark, and no where does Kavar say that the demands of the council kept him from taking a Padawan. Unless someone can say otherwise, it's pretty obvious Kavar was the Exile's master. Jedi Striker 02:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but you are wrong. On Onderon, Kavar explicitly states that he wanted to take the Exile as his Padawan, but was unable to do so.–SentryTalk 22:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes... it may have been one of those things he only mentions if you are Dark-sided, and when you say something along the lines of "Why are you especially disappointed?"... or something. Or that may have been when Kavar says he had hoped the Exile would become a Guardian (even if your character is a Guardian). -BaronGrackle 21:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Kavar never says that the Exile was his padawan. He only refers back to a mutual memory in the time when she was a padawan. Okay, suppose a principal from another school (not your principal or school) spoke with you at a friend's awards ceremony at that school. Three years later you are now graduated and working at a bank and that principal comes in to make a withdrawal. You both get into a conversation and he says to you, "Remember when I spoke with you while you were still a student?" Does this imply, in any way, that this principal was your teacher, coach, or principal? No. It just means that you happened to be some type of student when the two of you last spoke. Kavar's comment is very much in this same category. It makes no indication that the Exile was his own padawan. He just happened to sparr with her while she was a padawan. It could be considered that perhaps, since he is a famed Jedi Guardian, he was/is a lightsaber instructor at either the Jedi Temple on Coruscant or Jedi Enclave on Dantooine, and was teaching her lightsaber techniques. But even this is speculation on a large scale. Even the hologram of Vrook speaking with Vandar simply says, "Her master refuses to properly discipline." If the writers wanted to firmly make it know that Kavar was her Master, then I think this small conversation would have mentioned him by name. So again, please do not say that they were a Master/Padawan duo; if for the simple FACT that we do not yet know.--Master Dakari 00:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
        • There is also Kavar's line, "Did you know that when I was training you I considered making you my Padawan?" which states pretty definitely that the exile was never Kavar's padawan, even though they sparred together while the exile was in training as a padawan. However, I'm less certain if that line is actually spoken in the game. Regardless, the only time the exile's master is ever mentioned in the game is in the holorecording of Vandar and Vrook discussing the exile's abilities on Dantooine. I find it unlikely Vrook would have that conversation with Vandar instead of Kavar, if Kavar were the exile's masters. Especially since Vrook's complaint is that the exile's master won't properly discipline her, which seems out of character for Kavar. Jediphile 17:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Weapon Master verification[]

Is there ever a statement that Kavar was a Weapon Master? Mandalore calls him a Guardian, and, if the Exile is not a Guardian then Kavar says "we could have used you" among the Guardians. I mean, he probably was, considering he was a Master who used two sabers. But still. After all, you can't even make Revan a Weapon Master. -BaronGrackle 04:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't find anything wrong with it. We do know that he was a Jedi Guardian. In the game, the corresponding prestige class to "Guardian" is "Weapon Master", so it's a pretty logical conclusion; considering he was a Master. However, it might be best for others to simply say that he was a "Jedi Master" and leave it at that. But I'll leave that up to someone else's judgment as to whether it is changed or not.--Master Dakari 04:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, but do we know that ANY of the Jedi Masters were of the "prestige classes"? Kreia describes the Jedi Watchmen as those who existed in the time of Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun, and others of the past. She is the only one who mentions the prestige classes at all, in fact; whereas the standard three Jedi classes are referenced specifically again and again, the game could very well treat the prestige classes as it treats the "Scoundrel" or "Soldier". It could be that Kavar was a simply a Guardian Master (as Mandalore and he both refer to himself), Vrook may have been a Consular (speculation, of course), etc. -BaronGrackle 13:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, are Weapon Master and Watchman Jedi Master classes? Just wondering. Also, it may be possible that the three Masters like Guardian, Consular, Sentinel? And didn't they take just the plain Jedi Master class? --Jedi Striker 02:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I thought that Jedi Guardians who became Jedi Masters took the honorary title of Jedi Warrior Master, so it is illogical to assume that Kavar is a Weapon Master just because you can become a Weapon Master, you don't become a official Jedi Master. And by the way, whether you are a Jedi Guardian or not, Kavar still says that he tried to convince you to become a Jedi Guardian, meaning that the Exile might have been a Jedi Sentinel or Consular during the Mandalorian Wars.--Jedi Kasra 22:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Killing Kavar as a dark-sider Royalist[]

Are you absolutely sure he can be killed if you had killed Vrook or Zez while supporting Talia? I just finished this way but I did not have a dialogue option to fight him. - TopAce 09:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Master Kavar did have one light sabber shorter and one light saber normal because just befor Keria absorbes the life out of them, each of them turn on their light sabers and when Keria is lecturing them they take a close glims of him and the others and when he turnes it on he puts them together and one is shorter than the other one. after that I went to a work bench an looked at them and one was a short light saber and one was a normal saber --[Trancmiter: light sider] 12:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Mis-understanding![]

"As such, she drained them of the Force as the Exile had done to herself at the Battle of Malachor V. Kreia did this to prove that her teachings and beliefs were right, and that life could persist without the Force. In a way, it was her test for them. But since neither Kavar nor his associates could stand to live without the Force, they perished. The famed Jedi Guardian and friend to the Jedi Exile was dead."

Whoever wrote this doesn't know what the force is. It wasn't cutting them off from their force powers! It was cutting them off from the living force. Remember when yoda talks about the force coming from ALL LIFE? Without the force, there is no life (beside a few things like the Yuzan Van or whatever they are called). The statement I quoted is totally incorrect. It really needs to be replaced, I am not sure what exactly to put, but I know that having this statement there is just plain wrong. 65.27.139.162 15:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

  • The force (- -) 16:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, you may want to watch the DS council vs. Kreia scene, where Kreia actually tells the Exile she had no intenetions to kill them. I think she meant that she had severed their ties to the Force- like the Exile had done to her at Malachor, or Nomi Sunrider did to that one Sith. Both the Exile and the Sith lived.--Splinter Smile 01:38, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

New Image[]

Can someone please get a new image of Kavar? The current one is too dark.--Jedi Kasra 19:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

  • And a GIF as well. If I have time I'll try getting another pic tonight. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 22:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Drewton Era-old (Drewton's Holocron) 23:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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