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Info on Kessel run from other articlesEdit

• Randa was an Outer Rim world on the Kessel run.
• Rion was an Outer Rim world, a tropical paradise on the Kessel Run.
• Fwillsving was a smuggler's stopping point on the Kessel Run.
• Zerm was a peaceful agriworld in the Outer Rim, on or near the Kessel Run
Jaywin 23:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Uhm... Edit

South of Kessel? How does that work in space, there is no south.

Maybe Lucas will BS his way out of that on the Clone Wars DVD.

"Not as deadly is it seems!"Edit

So, how close did Han get to the black holes. Was he like 100 miles away or a 1,000 or father?

cloe enogh thta monmentum was the only thing that saved him. at least according to Rebel dawn, the book he does it in.

"Weighed down?"Edit

How exactly was the infinity weighed down. You guys realize that this is in space right? No gravity and whatnot..

I agree that the expression is s**t, but according to Newton's law of universal gravitation, a ship in space will be affected by a force as follows:

$F = G \frac{m_1 m_2}{r^2}$, for those of you who are not used to these types of equations, I will explain.

$F$ = the force that will "pull" on the ship, and on the planet, black hole, whatever... $M_1$ = the mass of the planet $M_2$ = the mass of the ship $R$ = the distance between the center of gravity between the two... $G$ = The Gravitational Constant

This will give us the equation: $F = G \frac{m_1}{r^2} m_2$ , which will give us the even simpler (we assume that the mass of the planet and the distance are constant so we make $M_1$,$R$ and $G$ into a new constant $C$) equation, $F = C M_2$ You follow? So if you increase the mass of the ship, you will increase the force required from the engines to accelerate it!! Hence, it may be a wise idea to unload before goin' on the Kessel run... Faina windu 19:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this whole thing about flying around black holes... you know gravity wells. They will pull on mass not happy thoughts. Engines would be fighting against the pull.

i read Rebel Dawn, the book han makes the run in, and he didnt have cargo with him either, so the "without cargo to weig him down" comment is pointless. he was going back to pick up that cargo he dumped earlyer that was from jabba. but the imps caught up with him. 69.115.204.217 02:09, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Family Guy reference Edit

In the Family Guy movie Blue Hravest Chris (AKA Luke Skywalker) said to Peter (AKA Han Solo) "Doesn't Parsecs move in distance, not time?" which Peter replied "Ahh.....(looks back at the falcon)". 66.203.20.63 17:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

parsecs Edit

We all have heard the quick-to-remark responses to this obvious mistake, but really that is what it is; a mistake. Unsigned comment by 66.76.60.163 (talk • contribs).

• Regardles, they created a plausible explaination for it. Also, this page is for discussing ways to better the article and comments like this are unnessisary. NaruHina Talk 18:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

He was, in fact, answering the question "is it a fast ship" he was definitely talking about speed not shorter routes.

"... but without cargo to weigh him down." Edit

I'm no astrophysicist, but the concept of weight in space is troubling to me. As far as my understanding goes, space is a vacuum, void of matter - really confusing to the brain, but that's the story. In space, things are weightless, which is why astronaughts can float around in spaceships up there, and why spaceships float around. So when I read the statement "The smuggler, BoShek, actually beat Solo's record in his ship, Infinity, but without cargo to weigh him down." I have a problem with that, because the concept of weight and mass is irrelevant. Whether he had a full haul or wasn't even carrying the clothes on his back, it seems to me that the only thing affecting the time a route could bbe completed in space has nothing to do with what is being carried. Then again, this is about the distance the route was completed in, not time. And if it was distance, not time, that was being recorded, counted, bragged about, weight would still have not bearing on how short a route could be completed in.

So at this point, I don't care if I'm wrong at all about mass/weight in space - weight has no effect on distance!

This sentence needs to be evaluated and corrected.

24.67.131.40 03:22, November 26, 2009 (UTC) Thomas Mikalishen, not an astrophysicist

Whoa! Another problem here. Final sentence: "In the commentary for Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope DVD, George Lucas mentions that the parsecs are due to the Millennium Falcon's advanced navigational computer rather than its engines, so the navicomputer would calculate much faster routes than other ships could." Key word, faster. Grand daddy GW himself talks about faster. The creator of all, says faster.

Black hole Edit

Black holes, singularities, all that jazz, are complicated. I don't know how they work, and I'm not sure that anyone really does. Only guesses. But from what I have learned by way of the guesses professional scientists have made, black holes cause some funny things with time. Most of the time it seems that they slow time down. Don't know how, but that's what popular fiction portrays. Andromeda is famous for this, having Captain Dylan Hunt (of the Andromeda Ascendant!) stuck in the wake of a singularity for 300 years in the first episode, and the Commonwealth pretty much went in the hole in that time. To him it was mere seconds, but to the outside world it was 300 years. So following this and other examples, Han Solo, and anyone else that followed said 'less than 12 parcec' route "By moving closer to the black holes," I would imagine it would have taken them longer than the regular 18 parsec route! Who cares about distance; If it takes me 300 years to deliver a package, while burning less gas, I think I'd dish out the extra coin for the normal 6 more parsecs. Time is money.

24.67.131.40 03:35, November 26, 2009 (UTC) Thomas Mikalishen, not an astrophysicist

well, thats andromeda, not star wars! and your post gave me a head ach... 69.115.204.217 02:11, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Black holes only slow dow time within the event horizon. At that point (where light cannot escape), you're a goner. 209.129.112.6 20:17, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

A brief glance at orbital mechanics Edit

The statement indirectly refers to the Falcon's speed. The closer you move to a black hole (or any other massive object, for that matter) the stronger the resulting gravitational attraction will be.

Now if you are trying to move past the before mentioned object, gravity will be experienced as a centripetal force. This means an acceleration perpendicular to your initial direction of movement, effectively forcing you onto a quasi-circular trajectory. The exact shape will be determined by the following.

Via the virial theorem (E_kin = -1/2 E_pot) in can be determined, if you will be able to overcome the gravtitational pull again. If your kinetic energy (~ v^2) is less than half your gravitational energy (modulus, of course) you are considered gravitationally bound and hence will be caught in the gravtitational well. Thus the black hole will force you onto either a circular (bound; not good), parabolic (just at the edge; also not very good) or hyperbolic (unbound, that's what you'll want) trajectory. This means you will at the best deviate from your original course quite a lot, if you're too close or too slow.

So what we see, is that making the Kessel Run using a route closer to those black holes more or less states the ship must have had an increased escape velocity, since it had to defy a stronger gravitational.

Relativism is also important of course, but imho this goes a bit too far at this point ;-)

Just a few thoughts....

Greets, Tolmao

han solo Edit

Han solo bragging about completing the run in twelve parsecs was really him bragging about something but using the wrong word. thats my theory

I agree completely! If you look at the character of Han, he has a history of making up stories and BS'ing under pressure. Remember how he basically faked an entire conversation over the intercom on the Death Star, pretending to be a stormtrooper? Obviously, in boasting about the Kessel Run, Han was just making up stuff on the spur of the moment in an attempt to impress Obi-Wan. Not being an astrophysicist, he misuses terms like "parsecs" while trying to throw around a lot of fancy jargon.

The nice thing about this explanation of the Kessel Run is that it reinforces the character of Han as an unscrupulous rogue who's not above bluffing when it suits his purposes. It certainly makes more sense than GL's half-baked retcon that has Han referring to the power of the Falcon's navicomputer. Han doesn't seem like much of a computer geek to me; I doubt if he would go around boasting about things like processing power. 220.106.12.131 04:26, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ever-Changing Articles Edit

It seems everytime I come back to this article, the canon behind it has changed again. For topics such as this one, should we perhaps introduce some sort of label noting that the lore is more likely to be the subject of change than the average article is? Granted, all topics could potentially be changed in terms of canon and retconing, but I doubt there's any denying that some things are more 'set in stone' than others are. Another good example of a topic that could also be labeled as such would be Shuttle Tyderium. 67.10.113.37 06:44, June 13, 2012 (UTC)