• I think he's saying this model (and the name L-Wing) come from the source files, presumably of KOTOR, since it's the Sandral estate. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice picture. If he's right, then it's not fanon, either. Just very dubious canon. Enochf 19:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Could someone doublecheck the KotoR program files?--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 19:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Being in a program file doesn't make it canon. We don't know what that craft was supposed to be. In any case, it's a fan-made image. - Angel Blue ^(Holonet) 19:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Actually, these images might be legit. Can someone else verify? If they are real - the author has a load more linked from his user page - they'd be excellent additions to our articles - though I would be dubious about any info taken from source files. Perhaps slap a conjecture tag on it, and a BtS section? - Kwenn 19:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Check the images' pages. It says he made them.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 19:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, 3D source files need a little assembly. They're just skins until you put them together and take a screenshot. I don't think he's saying he made it from scratch. Enochf 19:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC) waiting on his reply, I guess
          • Ah. Ah, well. They look good, regardless, though not useful here - Kwenn 19:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
            • I wouldn't mind if it was the in-game model.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 19:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
              • I'd think we could use the ones that appear in-game. Putting together models as they appear in-game by using the game's code is hardly the same thing as making a model all on your own. Havac 02:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
                • I'd link to see some of the info given by the author of this page in an official source before we do that. Right now all we have are pictures. - Angel Blue ^(Holonet) 19:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
                  • Just noticed something. If you look at this screenshot from KOTORII you can see several "L-wings."

Take a look at the summary and licensing for that image. It's not a screenshot. It was created by the author of this article and is a fan-made image. - Angel Blue ^(Holonet) 04:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• Alas, all I have proven is that I am an idiot.--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 04:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry for all the fuss, let me try to set the record straight:
    • 1. Yes I'm a newbie to all this, just saw the KotOR sections and noticed that they are missing some references to the vehicles and vessels.
    • 2. The models were taken from the KotOR 1 and 2 source files.
    • 3. Some were very much incomplete and not seen in-game only in cutscenes but most were intact.
    • 4. I did not add any new stuff to the models, just simply patched holes in The meshes and welded parts together etc. and then rendered them.
    • 5. Most of the game source files have the names of the models (but not all), that is where I came up with the names.
    • 6. The L-Wing is simply called l-wing in the source files. It can be seen in-game and in the cutscenes for KotOR 1 and 2.
  • I simply wanted to provide further content to the KotOR 1 and 2 sections by supplying pictures of the various vehicles and vessels seen. If you determine that all this is of no use here on Wookieepedia then I guess you may delete the un-wanted material.--Glogan81 08:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

As a Wookieepedian who has been here for a long time, I really have to agree with you. I have never played any of computer or video games in my whole life including those KOTOR ones. I noticed that some of my fellow Wookieepedians have to make a big fuss about everything. Who cares! I think that fan art should only be allowed in an article if no official image exists at all. Well, even though I am not really that big a fan as I used to be, I really like your images and they should stay rather than be deleted. We need creative people like you rather than those who would follow irrelevant rules all the time. I feel that we don't always need Lucasfilm or any of their hired authors to dictate to us what is canon and what is not. Some authors are really good while others are just bad quality. MyNz 09:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• Okay, I updated the page quite a bit for Wookieefication and in light of new information. Two issues remain- first of all, where is the statement that it had "2 warhead launchers and 2 laser cannons" from? I doubted this could be extrapolated from game source files, and nixed it. If I'm wrong, please add it in again. Also, should this be moved to simply L-wing? --Thetoastman 16:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I think I'll do that. It is called an L-wing in the files, but we have no knowledge of it being a heavy fighter, or a fighter at all for that matter. Is there even evidence of it being a military craft?--Lord Oblivion^{Sith holocron} 18:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fanon?Edit

This article is most definitely not fanon. It appears in an official source (KotOR) and appears ingame (not just in source files, etc). Now, the name itself is non-canon (conjecturally named), but, heck, we have all of the ships of the Nagai fleet conjecturally named. Time to change the tag! ^Jorrel _Fraajic 04:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the perspective is inaccurate on the part somebody. Edit

Playing in an old republic RP at the moment, we just picked up one of these at what was probably literally a steal on a smuggler's haven. (No shield generator and a couple of malfunctioning cannons) So I snagged the images of the floorplans, as well as the scale keys included in the d20 ship guides to put together a floorplan of the thing.

Someone is deluded of their sense of scale. In no way is a 34 meter freighter (About the size of a doublewide trailer) going to be capable of toting 60 tons of freight along with 8 passengers and 3 crew unless you put all of them through a food processor first so you can pack em in tight. And then you still need stuff like engines and all.

Looking at the picture of the thing on top of the Sandral house in Kotor, as well as the Lethisk itself, it's clear that someone at Bioware took what was clearly meant to be a single person fighter-craft model and scaled it up as a quick and dirty solution to having what was supposed to be a freighter up there where we couldn't go up to make a closer inspection anyway. IE: "Yeah, that looks good. And they're only gonna see it from underneath. No one will see the great big cockpit up on top. Problem solved. We got a release date to make."

Using the props and floorplans provided in the WotC Starship books to try and come up with deck plans for the thing, you'd need at least two floors beneath the cockpit level on top to fit even 4 beds on one floor, much less 8. And that still doesn't leave much room for anything else. The living area takes up most of the available space. And looking at the Sandral Estate pic again, it's not that thick a ship. Meaning one floor, like the yt-1300. (Mil.Falcon) And that's not meant to sleep as many as the Lethisk. (Unless three are triple bunking like the falcon's one bedroom. (See: Platt's Smuggler's Guide)) And if this is a transport for rich folks, I don't see em cramming in like sardines.