Talk:Light side of the Force
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Again..like Bogan, the Dark Side article..this is in a terrible state and probably should be renamed the Light Side or merged with The Force.
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[edit] Lightsaber
This really belongs in The Force or some such. After all, using the Dark Side hasn't prevented Dark Siders from using a lightsaber.
[edit] Never mentioned in the films
Think it's worth mentioning that the "Light Side of the Force" is never actually mentioned during any of the films, and is essentially an EU invention? I'm not denying it's canonicity as far as SW continuity is concerned, just pointing out that in the films, you have "the Force and it's dark side". Jedi talk about the Force, and trusting in the Force and of the dark side - but never, not once, do they use the terminology "Light side".
That said, Luke mentions a "good side" once. (Ulicus 21:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC))
RotJ, Luke says to Leia before confronting Vader that there is good in him and he wants to bring him back to the good side. '...there is good in him. I’ve felt it. He won’t turn me over to the Emperor. I can save him. I can turn him back to the good side.' Cariel 17:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- We should call the article "The Good Side of the Force" then. Lol. But seriously, perhaps a note at the top that it was sometimes referred to as The Good Side?DarthMRN 15:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
But changing it to the good side will really complicate things as so many games and books now mention the light side rather then the good side... Snap-hiss
[edit] light side powers
You know the light side power list is horrible. Most of the powers there are core powers not light, plus its missing most of the cool light side powers. does anyone mind if I change this? If not ill change it tommorow or sooner if someone agrees with me.--Darth Malice 20:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- The entire CONCEPT of "powers" in both sides of the force is ridiculous. The Force can't be classified like this, it is capable of a great many things, the only barrier is the mind of the user. Listing powers is ridiculous, and giving them their own entry is absurd. But I won't edit anything without a secondary opinion. --162.83.138.186 06:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Since you are so opposed to the Force seeming limited, perhaps we could change the section title to something like: "Known Light Side Force Techniques", "Known Techniques of the Light Side", or maybe "Known Uses of the Light Side". It’s just a thought. Dargos 21:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Focusing on this section would improve the article quite a bit. I suggest getting rid of the list and simply explaining certain "powers" or "techniques" that are inherent to the light side. For example, healing through the force while not limited from the dark side is more in keeping with the philosophy of the light side, etc. Maphisto86 09:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Force Jump
Since when was Force Jump a Light Side ability, I thought is was a core ability. user:Darth Vatrir
Well from my view it is a core force ability since you don't draw on the Light to make it work. That is just me though. If I am right someone should change it so people aren't misled by this article.
Kurdedo 23:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notable Users
Is this really necessary? And what, exactly, constitutes "notable"? This could be a very long list if we just every light-side Jedi to appear in any canon source. Maclimes Zero (talk) 
18:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- I vote lose it. Gonk (Gonk!) 16:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that is uneeded as a complete list would take up an extreme amount of space, as a side note i changed Zhar to Zhar Lestin SSupa 04:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm actually fine with it, however shouldn't Jacen Solo be removed from the list since his ascent as Darth Caedus? I'd hardly call his career prior to Vergere's intervention notable, and after it I'd hardly call him a "Light Side of the Force" user. --KerianAmbrai 13:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
His career after Vergere as a lightside user is notable as well.Its only from Dark Nest on he can no longer be classified as such.
[edit] Nature of the light side edit
I have, after poring over the preachiness of Bastila in KOTOR, added the perception she gave as the "orthodox" view of the Light Side. This is because she also declared in a related conversation that she knew little Jedi doctrine specifics and could therefore only repeat what teachers and masters had told her. Karohalva 04:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Touched up the composition a bit. Am I approved? Karohalva 18:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image
I have a vague memory of seeing that image in the Campaign Guide, and I'm not sure it's being used in the proper context. What does the book say about it? Gonk (Gonk!) 16:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Force Powers
Are the powers Force Sight and Battle Precognition inherently light side? I always believed them to be more Neutral Powers, drawing from neither the light nor the dark side of the force, I have removed them, correct me if I'm wrong SSupa 17:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sever Force?
Source for this being a Light Side power? I'm removing it for now. Evir Daal 08:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- No, apparently, I'm not. Seems as if I just answered my own question :) Evir Daal 08:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV on Potentium?
Throughout this article, the Potentium is described as "misguided". Would it be better to say something like the Jedi interpretted the Potentium as being misguided? ~ Jaywin
- True, not neutral. That fix seems good. -Fnlayson 15:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- What about the damnable Power of the Jedi Sourcebook and its OOU description of the Potentium as misguided? DarthMRN 21:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Some important points are being raised here. Specifically, what is the relationship between canon and declaring what is good and evil? The issue, in a sense, revolves around a fact-value distinction. We can certainly agree that canon is the last word on what the Potentium "is" within the Star Wars universe, (e.g., a morally relativistic and/or solipsistic-like philosophy). We can even agree that canon is the last word on how characters within the Star Wars universe "valued" the Potentium, (e.g., the Jedi believed that the Potentium philosophy was "evil" or "misguided"). However, what I would argue, (and I believe this is the crux of the matter), no one can canonize the value of this perspective to the reader. In other words, as a reader, I am free (along with everyone else) to make my own value-judgement on the merits (or lack there of) of this particular philosophy. When this article states explicitly that the Potentium is "evil" or "misguided", then that says to me that a particular philosophical position (i.e., set of values) is canon to the reader, which is unjustifiable. Thus, my argument is that any value judgements made about the Potentium in this article should be explicitly stated as being from the perspective of the characters within the Star Wars universe. Jaywin 16:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- No, since the SW universe is fictional, it can have an objective definition of good and evil. Compare Dark Side/Light Side to the alignment system in D & D, if you are familiar with that. A character may view himself any way he likes, but that does not really say anything about his alignment. The inherent morality of the campaign world assigns him his alignment, judging his actions and intentions by its own set of standards (and in the SW case, this would be those of Lucasfilm). So just as a Blackguard in D & D still is evil even if he thinks himself good, a Potentium follower in SW remains evil and/or misguided even if she thinks she's good. While this might not be entirely realistic, that's how it is, and we're supposed to follow canon. Think of it as the Force's own judgment of the Potentium, if you will. Evir Daal 07:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I moved the discussion to Forum:Canon and Morality because I suspect a "can of worms" may have been opened here that goes beyond the scope of this article! Jaywin 14:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Combustion?
Sorry I'm back grumbling about Powers, but is Combustion really Light Side? Evir Daal 10:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Is there a source that says it's Light Side? Unit 8311 14:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know, since I haven't got the NEGtC. What I reacted to was that it doesn't feel Light Side (of course, say, Electric Judgment doesn't either, but still...). But if there is a canon source, I don't have any problem with it, of course. Evir Daal 09:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Prophecy?
As I recall the prophecy about the Chosen one never says anything about destroying the Sith, that's an addition by the Rise of the Empire Era Jedi as they interpreted it. Paperback novelization of RotS, last part of page 227 - about 229. If anyone can double check that'd be great. Rayne 05:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- How can Darth Vader bring "balance" to the force by removing both the Sith (Sidious and himself"? I don't get how he's supposed to bring balance to the force by removing the dark side. Wouldn't that make the force unbalanced? It would be good to explain that.
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- I think most dark side users would say the opposite - that a galaxy without Jedis would be balanced. They didn't actually remove the dark side of the force, but the sith ceased to exist (for a while.) Gustafar 10:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Weakness
There are definite weak sides to Light side users, though not in the way Sith believe. For one, the detached monk-like behavior leads to aloofness, passive-aggressive ego, naivetee and emotional stuntedness. JAF1970 18:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)