Is it known that Bastila is one of them for sure? User:RushinSundaws

• Yeah, she appears near the end of the game with Carth if you say Revan was light side male. - Lord Hydronium 02:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Kreia never mentiones her as one, only the Jedi Exile's companions as the Lost Jedi. User:RushinSundaws 8:04, 27 February 2006
  • Ah, I was using the definition on the page, "the name was used to refer to any individuals with Jedi training who survived the Jedi Civil War and its aftermath." I didn't realize Kreia specified that. - Lord Hydronium 02:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Question, shouldn't Jolee and Juhani be removed then seeing how it is unknown if they survived? User:RushinSundaws 8:10, 27 February 2006

Contents 1 Confused 2 The original members of the Lost Twenty? 3 Bastila?? 4 Jolee Bindo 5 Bao-Dur 6 List 7 The Old Republic 8 Definition of 'Lost Jedi'

ConfusedEdit

Kreia only makes those predictions if you trained them *as* Jedi (I'm almost certain). Since you don't necessarily have to, how can this article be considered 'in continuity'. We don't know all the 'canon details' of KotOR 2 yet. (Ulicus 23:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC))

I'm pretty sure that in canon, all the quests in the game were completed (all with light side outcomes), so by that logic the Jedi Exile did train all his companions (besides the Droids and Mandalore) as Jedi. -MPK

The original members of the Lost Twenty? Edit

Could the Lost Jedi mentioned on the article be the first members of what would become the Lost Twenty? If so, should they be merged? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• • i don't think there the same thing, the lost twenty were masters who left the order of free will because they thought they could do better service elsewhere. These lost jedi were forced into hiding. Jedi Dude 22:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Still, there's always the possibility, right? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
      • i don't think so? for now we should leave it. Jedi Dude 22:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Of course; I wasn't suggesting adding something in or anything. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 22:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
          • Unless I'm mistaken, the "Lost Twenty" only started around 2000 BBY, when Phanius left the Order. --Sauron18 22:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Indeed. - Sikon [Talk] 00:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Bastila?? Edit

Why is Bastila listed as "unconfirmed"? Don't we see her alive after the Sith attack on Telos in TSL? MPK 22:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• We do. I've fixed it. ;-) --Master Dakari 03:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • "Unconfirmed" referred to the fact that we don't know if she counts as a Lost Jedi. We do know she's alive in case of the canonical LSM Revan. - Sikon 13:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

She seems to have been removed again, she should at least be listed as a possible seeing as she's the most powerful known living Jedi in the galaxy after Exile leaves Leoroc 22:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused by the wordings of "...all but Bastila and Atris's deaths at the battle of telos IV..." is this suggesting bastila had died during the battle?-user:Mr_Red_X

Jolee Bindo Edit

Isn't Jolee Bindo a Lost Jedi? Telos 02:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Why should he be? For all we know, he probably died during the First Jedi Purge. - Sikon 07:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Part XIII: Ascension of the Sith Time frame: 3,953 - 3,951 B.B.Y. Period name: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords

It is the beginning of the Jedi's decline throughout the Galaxy. Individual Jedi begin to leave the Jedi Order, and the Jedi Watchmen of many systems, disenchanted with the endless, pointless struggles, step down and exile themselves in unknown quadrants of the galaxy, echoing the disillusionment of Jedi Master JOLEE BINDO. These are referred to by scribes of the time as the LOST JEDI. --Chronicles of the Old Republic

This source, the Chronicles of the Old Republic, indicates that ANY Jedi who left the Order around this time was considered a Lost Jedi. And, since they are echoing the disillusionment of Jolee Bindo, I would have to include him in that category; whether we know his fate or not. And seeing as Juhani was also not an active member of the Order during The Sith Lords, and we do not yet know her fate, she should be included as well.

After all, a Missing Person is always considered missing or "lost" until he or she is found, right? I would argue that this is Jolee's and Juhani's case until we know different.--Master Dakari 05:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after about three years with no quality refutations to my argument above (no refutations at all), I am going to add Jolee Bindo and Juhani to the list of Lost Jedi.--Master Dakari 05:04, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

• I feel I need to say a few things to the naysayers. I am already tired of this "Why should they be added? They're probably dead by now" argument against Jolee and Juhani being added to the list. I'm tired of it for many reasons. The first would be against the argument itself, seeing as it flies in the face of the evidence I posted above, taken directly from a canon source which explicitly notes that Jolee and those who followed his logic came to be known as the "Lost Jedi" (or, more specifically, are the first of the Lost Jedi). If that doesn't clear it up enough, let me clarify even more. The second reason I'm tired of the argument is this: it makes no sense and isn't a worthy argument at all. If we follow that line of logic (i.e. that someone shouldn't be added because they are probably dead), then there are plenty of names - which are not contested, I might add - that should not be there either (first among which is Revan. We do not know Revan's fate any more than we know Jolee's of Juhani's)! In addition to Revan, many of the names listed are confirmed to be dead (Lonna Vash, Kavar, Zez-Kai Ell, etc.), so why list them? After all, considering how this wiki is set up to relay information, no names should be listed if it is based on life or death status; seeing as all of them were dust even "a long time ago." So my vote - and there have, literally, been years for someone to argue against me - is that Jolee and Juhani be added to the list until canon material gives us new information concerning their fate.--Master Dakari 06:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • No, no, no and no. Tomorrow I'm going to echo the sentiments of Karl Marx and create the Wookieepedia Communist Party, which automatically makes him a member. Che Guevara was a communist too, so he gets to be a member as well. The only difference between this scenario and yours is that Karl Marx and Che Guevara are confirmed to have died long before they could ever be members of my communist party, whereas Jolee Bindo may or may not be dead before people became known as Lost Jedi. The inclusion of Juhani is pure speculation on your part. As for dead people being included on the list, congratulations on completely missing the point with that. Those people died after they became known as Lost Jedi, like how me creating my communist party and then dying 3 weeks later doesn't suddenly nullify my previous membership. You're right about one thing though: Revan shouldn't be included on the list without a source either, just like Jolee and Juhani, hence why I've removed him too. -- I need a name (Complain here) 11:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
    • To be technical, Master Zez-Kai Ell is the only Master who overtly said he had left the Order and was no longer a Jedi. Neither Master Vrook nor Master Kavar made such a claim, and they both were clearly still functioning in their Jedi capacity (as was Vash, it would appear). Add to that Kreia's words that THEY (meaning, the Exile's party) were the Lost Jedi, and it would seem that we make the term much broader than it should be. In essence: 1) The Chronicles say it is a term applied to only those who actually left the Order in disillusionment (Zez-Kai Ell would be the only Master who we know to fit that description, and maybe Atris at the end of the game); and 2) Kreia says it's the Exile's quasi Jedi party members. So, on those two pieces of canon information, there should really only be eight (maybe nine) names listed.--Master Dakari 23:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC) Edited for grammar and numerical corrections.--Master Dakari 03:59, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Bao-Dur Edit

Is Bao-Dur a lost jedi according to canon I have no knowledge of. It is possible but Kreia didn't predict anything for him or the droids so I fail to see how he can be recognized as a lost jedi and as some if us know on game files (although they were removed) it is implied by "Make my sacrifice matter," that he died. Though this is probably irrelevant as it was removed. However is he a lost jedi and if possible could somebody link me to a source. Or of course my mind is as buggered as revans and I am not remembering correctly Kreia's predictions. -- Darth Oscuro 16:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

List Edit

something random that i lol'd at - the list of known lost jedi states that it is in alphabetical order, but it's not. 222.153.149.147 12:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• It's in alphabetical order by last name. That's how lists are supposed to be alphabetized. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 15:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The Old Republic Edit

D'you think that the Jedi Order found in Star Wars: The Old Republic is derived from the Lost Jedi? Swedish guy 20:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

There's no way of knowing. -MPK 20:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• I would have to say that it is. While its existence isn't due to their efforts alone, a large part of it is. At the end of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, there is no longer a Jedi Council, for the only three living up to that point were murdered by Kreia. Additionally, there was only a handful of living Jedi that we know of, and they consisted mostly of the Exile and the quasi Jedi she trained. It's also important to note that Kreia predicted, before her own death, that Mical would reluctantly sit on the new Jedi Council. She specifies "reluctantly," which I believe to mean he did it out of necessity and not desire (i.e. there was a severe lack of qualified persons to fill the seats). I don't believe it's so complicated that we can't put two and two together. All the evidence, for now, points to a conclusion that the Jedi Order we see in Star Wars: The Old Republic is primarily, if not solely, the legacy of the Jedi Exile and her Lost Jedi.--Master Dakari 04:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Definition of 'Lost Jedi' Edit

Thinking of the quote:

At least to me, Kreia seems to talk only about the Jedi companions the Exile left behind and the ones who would later follow them to rebuild the Jedi Order. If that is the case the former Council members like Vrook or Kavar couldn't have been Lost Jedi since they never accepted the Exile as a leader, and definetely not as a teacher. Besides, Kreia referring to the Lost Jedi as true Jedi seems to indicate that they were somehow different than the Jedi before, like the former Council members. What do you think? Swedish guy 06:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Kreia isn't a trustworthy source, and even if she wasn't lying, she's certainly a very biased source. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 14:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Kreia is the only one who has ever mentioned the Lost Jedi and, not counting 'Chronicles of the Old Republic', she's the only source on the subject. Besides, as you can see throughout the site, she's commonly seen as a reliable source. Swedish guy 19:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Whatever, if that's what you like to think. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

• • • While you are disregarding Chronicles, it is a canon source that dictates that any Jedi who "exiled themselves" after the Jedi Civil War. Therefore, now we have two conflicting sources, both of which have shown in the past bias and inaccuracy. In which case, we simply mention that Kreia believed that the Exile's companions were the the true Lost Jedi and not the former Jedi of the Jedi Order while scribes gave the title to any additional Jedi who had become disillusioned and left the Order. Also applying this, since Atris never exiled herself as she boastfully exclaimed she was the last of the Jedi, she isn't a Lost Jedi. --Redemption^(Talk) 19:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

      Agreed; that's the best explanation I've heard yet. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The reason I left out Chronicles was because I haven't read it, but I assumed that it was true to the first known definition, which was Kreia's. Swedish guy 19:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Then stop making assumptions when you don't even have the entire picture. Really, Swedish guy, the only research you've done was playing a video game. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 14:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that wasn't very nice, there's no reason to be impolite. The reason I took it into the discussion forum was because I didn't have the entire picture, and I knew that. If I had the entire picture and was sure of it, I wouldn't have to ask the community, now would I?

P.S. the entire subject of the 'Lost Jedi' comes from kotor 2, so I wouldn't have played A video game, I would have played THE video game. I've "researched" 50% of the sources, and wouldn't it just be logical to think that a later source would stay true to the original. I mean the The Phantom Menace clearly says that Anakin was bought up on tatooine. Wouldn't it then belogical to assume that the novel would say that aswell, even thou you've never read it?

P.S.S. And now we have more or less come into a consensus, right (Redamption's post) so that I brought it up has in no way been wasted, I hope :P Swedish guy 17:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, this is the first time you didn't just outright add information to an article without consensus. How come you didn't request other users' advice before adding so much nonsense to the Jedi Exile article? From the information you had added to the Jedi Exile article concerning Brianna (but was reverted), I'm going to have to assume that you prefer playing KOTOR II as a male. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Now, who's the one making assumptions? The fact is that in two out of three times I play as a lightsided female (I like to play the canonical way), but i fail to see what that has to do with anything. I don't understand why I was reverted, since the fact that Brianna followed the Exile is canon and all the content I added already was on Brianna's page, but after the consensus seemed to be that I was wrong, I stopped to add it and instead talked with the guys that reverted it (which I'm still doing), but again I fail to see what this has to do with the Lost Jedi. Swedish guy 19:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

To be quite honest, I'd see this as yet another mistake on the Chronicles' part. Unfortunately, we can't prove it, so we're going to be stuck with the article as it is. I always took Kreia's words to imply that these (and others like them) were the "Lost Jedi" because they were perfectly acceptable candidates for Jedi Knighthood (who should have already been Jedi) yet were lost to the Order due to the overly draconian rules of acceptance they put in place after the GSW. Uli Talk 13:26, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Redemption's explanation is the best we're going to get at a reconcilation between the Chronicles and the game, I think. Uli Talk 13:29, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

You're making it sound like Atton and Mira knocked on the Jedi's door and begged to be made Jedi. Atton and Mira never had the desire to be Jedi until the Exile convinced them to become ones. Also, Kreia is an in-unverse source with a POV; therefore, she's an unreliable source. Also, Kreia hates the jedi who exiled her (POV). --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 14:49, September 15, 2009 (UTC)