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[edit] List?

Is there a list around anywhere with the list of the lost 20? If someone can find one I think it would be a fitting addition to this page.169.241.10.83 19:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Didn't the members of the Lost Twenty resign after the Ruusan Reformation? --Imperialles 16:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • It would make sense, since that was 1000 BBY. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I'm not a member or anything, but I've just been getting into the Star Wars wiki stuff and read this and thought I might suggest something - the Count Dooku article says that the Lost 20 are the only 20 to ever voluntarily leave the order. Given what we know about Jolee Bindo wouldn't he likely be a member of it? --Cory--

  • No. Jolee mentions in KOTOR that he left the Order as a Padawan and not a Knight. Ace Venom 22:20, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • No, no, no for the last time. No. The only confirmed members are Dooku and Ruin. Don't add any more. QuentinGeorge 16:04, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

So would this list of Lost 20 expand to the time of Exar Kun and Revan as well? If so, if Ruin is really amongst the first, this would seem to imply that no master left the order to follow Revan or to fight in the Mandalorian Wars. But Kreia was surely a master of the order, and I don't think she was the only one to have left the order. Atris also became Darth Traya, and probably others as well. And during the hundred year darkness, the second great schism, there were no masters that used the forbidden arts? Could the Jedi Archives extend only so far into the past as maybe 2000 BBY? -Neonai-

      • Those that left for the war didn't voluntairily resign their commissions. QuentinGeorge 16:05, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
        • Kreia was exiled she didn't leave.

--- Since other knights aren't counted, I think it's just a case of Vader actually believing himself to be a Master by default (as seen in ROTS)

I thought this as well, but earlier, Starstone specifically says that "Only twenty Jedi Knights have ever left the Order". (Ulicus 11:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC))

In Battlefront 2, in the Coruscant level, there are busts in the library of a human, a Bothan and a Sullustan. What about them? SingAurraSing 04:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chon Actrion

Why was he removed from the list here? AotC Visual Dictionary states clearly enough that he's a part of the Dirty Twenty. Is there anything that contradicts that?

  • Actually, the AotC VD only states that the busts in the Jedi library consist of the Lost Twenty as well as great Jedi. It doesn't specifically mention which of those Chon Actrion is, although seeing as it labels Chon as being the "Architect of Freedom" I'd say he was one of the great and the good. :) --beeurd 02:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
    • The Lost Twenty weren't labelled as "bad" (not all of them anyways). But my guess was that Actrion was one of them since the info on the LT is right beside him --Sauron18 05:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Surely Lord Kaan should be on here as we know he was a master who left the order

[edit] A Strong Question

Considering that we're talking about those who are Knights or Above, and the likes of Dooku were counted as leaving because of their own issues, and not believed to have fallen to the darkside, is it possible we Could also include Sharad Hett in the numbers, I don't know if there is a place where the bronzium busts might be seen to show the bald head of Sharad before he became a Tusken Warlord? - N.Y.N.E.ComlinkFile:Sithempire2.png 00:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Was it not Jedi Knights and above that were counted as the lost twenty? Why does it say just masters?

[edit] confused

I was under the impression that the Lost Twenty left after the Battle of Galidraan. Or was that just Dooku? 216.77.198.61 19:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Just Dooku I believe. Chack Jadson 19:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Actual rank

Once and for all, were Knights or only Masters counted among the Lost Twenty? I can't seem to remember it saying Masters anywhere, and the Ep II Visual Dictionary says Knights. Evir Daal 08:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Lucas et.al. in the Lost Twenty

I seem to remember in the AOTC DVD commentary how George was one of the busts as well as other crew members, though I can't remember who. If anyone does, that wouold be interesting for the 'Behind the Scenes' part of the article. Katana Geldar 09:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What about Bardan Jusik?

Shouldn't he be considered among "Lost Twenty" as twenty first instead of Anakin Skywalker? Anakin and Jusik both were Jedi Knights and Jusik resigned from Jedi Order during Clone Wars for mandalorian life from his own will according Republic Commando: True Colors book. Or maybe Anakin was the only exception being Jedi Knight and not Master.--Jedi Marty 21:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't know. First of all, I think Jusik was only a Padawan, and also, it's strange that Thracia Cho-Leem isn't 21st. Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing (You're all clear kid!)(Now let's blow this thing and go home!) 21:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Well, Jusik's certainly not a Padawan in "RC:Triple Zero", but a Jedi Knight and general. And he resigned from Jedi Order in True Colors. As for Thracia, I believe I read in Rogue Planet she's not considered among Lost Twenty although she left Order voluntary. Maybe this is the same case with Jusik.--Jedi Marty 00:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
      • the intro paragraph for the article says "The Lost Twenty, earlier known as The Lost, was the name given to the Jedi Masters who had voluntarily resigned their commission and left the Jedi Order". So the term only applies to people with the rank of Master. Jusik was only a Knight, so he wouldn't qualify as one of The Lost Twenty. Anakin wouldn't qualify either, since he was also only a Knight. 96.233.184.200 01:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
        • That's true that this rule applied to Jedi Masters only (although I read somewhere it applied to Jedi Knights as well). Reason why I put this question was exception of Anakin Skywalker as Darth Vader to be 21st. He considered himself to be 21st afterall and still Jedi Knight and not Master (that was what was strange for me). Like I wrote earlier, Jusik was in the same position sooner then him (as concerning leaving Jedi Order). That's the whole point. But I think in case of Anakin that was only one exception made. He was the Chosen One after all :)--Jedi Marty 03:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
          • Anakin wasn't officially the 21st. Just because he thought of himself as the 21st doesn't mean he actually was. The article doesn't even list him as a "Known Member". In his own mind he might of seen himself as the 21st, but that doesn't mean that he would formally/officially be recognised as one. 96.233.184.200 05:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kaan?

Wouldn't Kaan be considered among the lost? As he was once a Jedi Master but turned his back on the jedi order. —Unsigned comment by 173.17.248.153 (talk • contribs).

[edit] List?

What about Vergere? Or do we assume that they stopped counting after the Galactic Empire came to be? -Randy 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kreia

She says she "once felt the call of the Jedi" before she joined the sith —Unsigned comment by 24.12.68.116 (talk • contribs).

  • Unfortunately that's nowhere near enough evidence enough that she was a part of the Lost Twenty, or affiliated with them. --Darth tom (Imperial Intelligence) 16:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
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