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Shouldn't this be moved to Lucrehulk-class battleship? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:50, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)

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Weapons countEdit

  • The published weapons count is in error. If you watch the Queens escape closely, there are more guns atop the engine housing part that are not counted in original 42. Really the count should be at least 18 higher, maybe more since weapons fire is observed coming from the bottom of the ship. In addition, the novelization mentions hundreds of smaller emplacements for its secondary armerment. The problem gets even worse by the time of ROTS, where there are literally dozens of heavy emplacements newly added to the ships atop the coreships and on top of and below the arms. Fortunatley, a rationalization is possible - the AOTC novel describes a diference between these being battleships and troop transports. Thus the 42 heavy quad turbolasers is probably the primary armerment of the troop transport, the battleship mk I (and really its more of a Star Cruiser]] has an armerment of at least 60 (84 if bilateral symmetry is part of the design like it is in the other craft bigger then Imperators) heavy quadlasers, and the mk II is what is seen at the BoC. Comments before editing? --Lowkey
    • As far as I have seen, there are no "Mark I"s or "Mark II"s for the Lucrehulk. If the weapons are modified, the ships themselves are not considered "Mark I"s or "Mark II"s. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:14, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • Well, the extra guns are highly visible on the ROTS versions, they're placed all over the ship, both the ring and the sphere, so that would constitute a different, heavily armed subclass. VT-16 14:00, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • Or, it shows that the ships became more heavily armed due to the war. I'd say that "more heavily armed due to the war" seems to be the most likely situation. I doubt that there are subclasses of this vessel. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:48, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • Oh yeah, that's true. VT-16 17:22, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
            • Of course, the only "source" we have it what we saw. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:42, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
              • True, but if what we saw in ROTS is what most Lucrehulks turned into, there wouldn't be any Mk. Is, only original Lucrehulk models with more guns. VT-16 22:13, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • I've found a schematic made by ILM for ROTS showing the spread of long guns, quad guns and heavy guns on the CW era Lucrehulk. Will count the dots at a later time. VT-16 17:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

But this is the original freighter from which the battleship was derived I was under the impression from Episode 1 cross sections that the freighter didn't have any.Lieutenant J.J 07:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)Lieutenant J.J

AccelerationEdit

According to the New Essential Guide To Vehicles And Vessels, the real acceleration of this ship is 300G, not 3000G Anakinskysolo 21:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Since the Complete Cross-Sections came out later, and I assume copied the older info, it's back to 3,000G again. VT-16 14:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

What refits did it get?Edit

From analysis of the Lucrehulk-class Battleship's weaponry, it seemed more adapt at anti-starfighter warfare than ship-to-ship warfare. In the article, it was said that heavier guns were placed on it, does that mean it actually got turbolasers for the Clone Wars?

...like what exactly? What types of Turbolasers? Where the Quad-lasers removed?

Were the Quad-Lasers Actualy Quad-Turbolasers?Edit

They seem to huge to be laser cannons.

  • Well, I'm positive that sources call them quad laser cannons. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem.svg 00:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Then why are pre-Clone Wars armanents now being called Quad Turbolaser Batteries? When did the retcon come in?
      • Well, they do appear to be turbolasers. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem.svg 20:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Yet we still don't have confirmation they are turbolasers. Until an ICS retcon or something comes in, the Lucrehulk-class Battleship and the Core Ship I think should still be classified as having just quad lasers.
          • Quad lasers the size of starships? No. Quad turbolasers make more sense. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem.svg 20:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
            • Size of starfighters, it's not like they were larger than the Queen's Yacht, or some of the larger light freighters. They could be heavy quad lasers, and their canon armanent for pre-Clone Wars still is quad lasers, not quad turbolasers.
            • Don't have it. I'll try to find it, but I still say they don't have quad turbolasers since there is really no canon confirmation. Do you have a quote to support that view?

The Starship Battles Preview 4 statsEdit

Check out the author's blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/silverforce/73

Guns for the E2 core-ship should also be added, I think?Vymer 11:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the blog, I think I can see where the author's coming from- I think the blue dots=turbolaser, the red dots=assault cannon, the green=point defense quads.Vymer 11:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm referring to Starship Battles 4 on WotC, which is what prompted the last change to armament Vymer 13:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I mean Preview 4 of Starship Battles on the WotC website- lol. Just realized the title wasn't clear. Fixed.Vymer 14:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, I changed the pre-Clone Wars armament of the TFB- the link to the quad lasers entry on the original TFB were nothing more than light point defence guns, like on a Lancer or the Falcon, and that's just not so- they're massive guns far larger than the Naboo Yacht and easily visible from a distance (see Episode 1, and the Episode 1 ICS). The quad guns on the Episode III refit simply must be smaller.Vymer 02:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Because there's no way the TFB could fit hundreds of more guns that size on the same hull. The quads on the TFB in Episode I are huge- in the side trench on the ring, they take up basically half of the entire height of the trench. They're that big. You couldn't possibly fit hundreds on the hull, from a distance it'd look like a turbolaser nest.

Anyway, re: the link to quad lasers, there's no way those guns are point defence, nor are they like the quads on the Falcon or Lancer. That's why I got rid of that link for the Episode I version. Never mind how it makes little sense to assume that the TFB in Episode 1 was a worthless warship with nothing but point defense weapons (when in the film it's guns are utterly massive and clearly Death Star turbolaser scale).Vymer 04:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's a pic of their size in Episode 1, so you can see what I mean- on the Episode 1 ship, they're huge turbolasers- heavies even. If you compare the weapons count of the quad lasers on the Episode 1 version, it seems the most logical conclusion is that these guns were replaced with the turbolasers (the blue dots) on the hyperspace diagram- the big heavy guns. The numbers are about the same, so it makes sense.

image shack dot U S )/img175/5595/tfdcsquadho2.jpg Vymer 04:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: so what I think then should be done is perhaps the quad laser link should be expaded- mention the heavy quads of the TFB Episode 1 ship and the Acclamator from Episode 2, not to mention the ISD Mk1, rather than give readers the impression that tiny quads are the only type in existence.Vymer 04:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I thought that already stood in the article. It needs to be clarified, anyway. VT-16 14:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice one indeed.Vymer 06:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

For my part, I don't own photoshop :( Vymer 12:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... Highly dubious about these claims. Why? Because we simply don't see this in the films. Even in ROTS, there aren't huge clouds of TL and laser cannon fire emanating from the TF Battleships. There's numerous instances of TF Battleships engaging Venators at point blank distances during the Coruscant battle sequence. In one I could count 8 discrete points of fire from the top trench in a curved forward section of the hull. These shots are certaily within just a few KMs of the target. Where are the 472 assault lasers then? Certainly they can't be out of range! In another sequence we see out Anakins window where a BB is extremely close - you can make out individual windows in the superstructure in some detail. Yet no fire is shown at all. Where are all these point defense turrets? demiurge 1:39, 28 December 2006

SizeEdit

Were the ships really that much larger than an ISD?

Corporate Sector use?Edit

I'd like to see which source says the Corporate Sector and other third parties gained these vessels after the CW. VT-16 12:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Maybe something on Starwars.com? Unit 8311 12:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Nothing. I'm starting to think this is fanon. VT-16 12:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that even CUSWE is listing the CSA as a user of this class. Once again, what is the source? All I want is a source, and it can be put back in the article. Until that time, it's outta here. The only sources given by CUSWE is Secrets of Naboo, Star Wars Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook, Star Wars: The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and the official site, which I checked. Anyone with these books, please check for confirmation. VT-16 10:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Removal of bit about VenatorsEdit

"However, a flotilla of Venator-class Star Destroyers could break through the shields of one of them with relative ease." - Removed, as while this is true, it doesnt make sense in the case of the Article, it doesnt really make sense to list a ship and say, a group of these could beat these with ease in an encyclopedic article. It especially did not fit into the paragraph which it was in.

Sith Snapshots contradictionEdit

I was thinking that there is a descrpency in the images from ROTS sith snapshots, one shows it bristling with weapons, but the other from close-up shows the weapons are gone, i was wondering whats up with that. QX100 05:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Different stages of the same CG model, or they can store their guns internally. VT-16 08:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How much do these things cost, anyway?Edit

This has been a pet peeve of mine for a while now, and I was hoping someone knew the answer. For the love of God, if they see fit to tell us the Core Ship's main reactor has a peak output of 3 yottawatts (3x[10^24] watts), why can't they tell us how much they cost?

Hold onEdit

How can it have the armament to take on a flotila of Venators if a Droid Control ship; a more heavily armed version of the Battleship was outgunned by two Acclamators in Star Wars: Republic Commando.

  • I suspect that the Lucrehulk battleship in Republic Commando only had the pre-Clone Wars armament. I don't think the updated Clone Wars statistics were released until after the game was. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • The statement "Each ship was now as powerful as a whole flotilla of Republic Venator-class Star Destroyers" should probably be changed or removed anyway. The ROTS:ISC reference states that a flotilla of Venators "can blast through the shields of a Trade Federation battleship with ease", implying that a Lucrehulk is not as powerful as a flotilla of Venators. 75.39.133.158 22:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Whoa, there. The droid control ship was a lesser-armed version of the battleship, dedicated to its comm systems. It didn't even receive the same weapons-additions like the regular battleship. The battleship can withstand the firepower of several Venators, but its shields fall from concentrated fire of a flotilla. That's just the shields, and as we saw in Destroy Malevolence, the heavy battleships' armor can withstand a flotilla's turbolaser barrage for hours, long after its shields went down. They even state that such ships have too strong armor to take any proper damage. VT-16 18:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

DatesEdit

Should'nt the first line "The Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter was a transport freighter produced by Hoersch-Kessel Drive, Inc. several centuries prior to the Invasion of Naboo." say decades prior to the invasion of Naboo because I doubt something that old would stil be around let alone in use.

  • SW has warships that serve for millennia, let alone centuries. Though I remember the 3010 model being over a century old, the 3210 would have to be younger. VT-16 07:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

overpoweredEdit

after the clone wars refitting, they seem to have far more weapons then star destroyers. they also seem to have far more space, able to carry over a thousand vulture droid fighters, not to mention the fighters standing on the outside. this doesnt make since, as the imperial star destroyer came many years after, thus should be more advanced. can anybody explain this?

  • This is easy to explain, and has been mentioned above. Although the Imperial Star Destroyer is newer, and therefore equipped with more modern technology, the simple fact of the matter is, a single Lucrehulk-class battleship is over twice as long as an ISD, as well as being substatially thicker, and several times as wide. The simple fact is, no matter how up to date you get, a Lucrehulk out-masses an ISD by several times, and therefore will always have more space for weapons and carrying capacity. Drathe 19:55, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Improper Image Edit

I don't know if anyone else has caught this, but the picture at the top of the page is NOT a Lucrehulk-class Battleship. It is, in fact, a Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship. THis is very evident in that Battleships did not have the external antenna and transmitters that the image (and DCS's) did. Can someone fix this? —Unsigned comment by Drathe (talk • contribs).

  • The Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Incredible Vehicles sourcebook, among a number of other Clone Wars material, explicitly identifies the image as one of a battleship. It may not be consistent with previous material, but unfortunate it's canon. CC7567 (talk) 03:17, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • To avoid the issue altogether wouldn't it be more appropriate to just use one of the other CLEARLY correct images that are also in the article? Though you may be correct, based on other sources that clearly contradict this one, it is generally understood that battleships have no communications array, which is consistent with the MOVIES which I believe always trump all other sources in terms of being canon or not. Just an idea.--Nephlyte348 00:47, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
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