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Apprentices Edit

if there are new jedi in Episode VII how would we know if they were trained by Luke or one of Luke's Students? 108.239.129.130 06:55, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

  • If they are specifically mentioned as having been trained by Luke, then they can be listed under this page's "Apprentice" field. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 07:12, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Lightsaber abilities and NPOV Edit

Even if this is new canon, it should still stay in neutral tone, right? I quickly glanced through the current Lightsaber abilities section and it didn't sound that neutral to me, but idolizing Luke in a big way.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:35, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Then feel free to change the way the info is presented. That is all I can say lol. Matt Seay (talk) 00:06, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Surely the stuff about Form V is not canon? CadBanesHat (talk) 07:10, May 26, 2014 (UTC)


Image Edit

Are there any objections to using a different main image? One that shows his face or something from RotJ, as opposed to the cloaked one. Admiral James Kaizer (talk) 18:03, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Red 5 linkEdit

Is there a reason why the canon link for Red 5 goes Straight to the luke canon page? Jkirk8907 (talk) 06:15, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Spark of RebellionEdit

Obi-Wan says, "the new hope will rise" that is referring to Luke is it not? Matt Seay (talk) 16:01, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • Bit of a stretch, IMO. Could also have referred to Leia. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 16:17, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Could be possible but Obi-Wan and Yoda always saw Luke as the new Hope. Matt Seay (talk) 16:22, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • That's speculation, however. It's really ambiguous, not worth trying to guess what he's referring to. 1358 (Talk) 16:24, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Alright well I thought it might have been an important indirect mention of Luke. I wanted to make Sure is all. I know the whole time Luke is growing up Obi-Wan still think Luke will grow up to be the savior of the Galaxy or whatever but It is not like he comes out and says, "The son of Anakin Skywalker will save us all." Matt Seay (talk) 16:28, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • It's pretty obvious what the reference is, but I agree it's not enough to add to a Wookieepedia page. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:32, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah now that I think about it, unless some more direct reference is made like the "There is another Skywalker" think from Sacrifice then it should not be noted I guess. Matt Seay (talk) 16:37, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • Let's not take this to an unnecessary extreme. The "a new hope" line could easily be referring to the Rebel Alliance, but the context in Sacrifice is clear. Destiny and Sacrifice are about Yoda learning to become a Force ghost because he would train the "one who will help bring balance" (or something along those lines). The Force ghost trick was all about Luke's story and guiding Luke, and Yoda learning about it was because he would one day train Luke. It's a clear Luke reference. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Well seeing as the point of the show is to explain how the alliance came to be then thst makes since. Matt Seay (talk) 17:00, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone add the new information from "Star Wars 2: Skywalker Strikes Part II"?

RelationshipsEdit

I'll be honest. Is this section even needed? (Here and in any other page.) It merely seems like a way to clutter the page. (Even if they're well-written.) | ShiroxCloud(talk) 13:16, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

A Jedi or Padawan?Edit

Are we considering Luke to be a Jedi, a Padawan or what; during the time of A New Hope and the Marvel series? I've been using the term "Jedi Apprentice", because that's closer to what was said in A New hope and Heir to the Jedi. Calvin Schubert(talk) 00:45, March 30, 2015 (UTC)


TFA quote? Edit

The quote attributed to Luke in the "post-Endor" section is archive audio from Return of the Jedi. I know that Mark Hamill was recorded saying the dialogue again for the trailer, and that is the "echo" that is heard, but this is probably something that was done just for the trailer and not an actual excerpt from the film, and therefore not a quote that can be attributed to Luke post-Endor. I'm also pretty sure that I read somewhere that the narration for the first TFA teaser was recorded by Serkis specifically for the teaser, so it wouldn't be the first time that they did this. Also the quote wouldn't really make sense anyway because he says "my father *has* it" when Anakin is now dead. Rebelssbm (talk) 01:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

As Anakin became a Force Spirit. I believe he had presence and aura in the Force and that he did have the Force. I guess it's just speculation. But i do believe that if someone becomes one with the Force they have a great connection to it and has the Force and possibly the ability to use it. Same with Qui-Gon(Though his training to retain his consciousness was incomplete it's clear in the Clone Wars Episode Voices he has the ability to use the Force)Obi-Wan,Yoda and whoever else becomes one with the Force. Eclipse (talk) 07:14, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

BirthEdit

Since it says Leia was born two days after Empire Day, shouldn't Luke's say that too? Skywalker2255 (talk) 20:35, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi. It does, in the "Early life" section. It doesn't need to be in Leia's infobox (that's too much information for an infobox) so I've moved the info on her page from the infobox into the article body. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:37, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Okay thanks. That clears things up. Infoboxes should be just to the point. Skywalker2255 (talk) 20:41, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Post-Endor QuoteEdit

Should the "Force is strong in my family" quote be used here? It was in the Ep VII trailer and all, but the quote is from RotJ... Thoughts? Cwedin (talk) 04:50, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Update template Edit

I can't find what the standard procedure in cases like these is so I'll explain here and someone who knows the rules can handle it. Luke was only briefly mentioned in Aftermath, there is no info in the book that would be of use to this article. Overlordjeff (talk) 09:30, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

  • I'd say the general aftermath of Endor should be at least added to the article, like the fact that the Empire fell and the Rebel Alliance was replaced by the New Republic. It's all relevant context for his upcoming appearance in Episode VII. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:58, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


Restoring the Jedi Order Edit

There is a lot of assumption in this section. It is assuming that Kylo Ren killed his fellow students but it is never said. He might have turned them - thus creating the Knights of Ren. We do not know. We also do not know that the planet with islands houses the Jedi Temple. It might just be a place where Luke chose to hide. It is never specifically stated. I think the assumptions should be removed. --UnimportantHero (talk) 04:32, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

  • I agree. I haven't read the VII novelization of the film but that is the reference used to support an explanation of R2D2's power mode. We need specifics or a deletion. Did R2 really download the entire empire archive while they were trying to escape the deathstar in IV? After downloading the archive in the middle of battle, R2 needs power mode and a whole day to search for the map? This can't be right.Gulliver1swift (talk) 07:08, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Info box pictureEdit

I have a picture of Luke from The Force Awakens. It is of decent quality but not sure if I should upload it. Is there a way I can get an admin to look at it first? I also have a picture of Leia as well. JediMaster1987 (talk) 19:29, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

  • The only way to get an image of Luke from the film is through leaks or torrents, which can't be uploaded as they do not qualify for fair use status. We'll need to wait until an image of Luke is officially released. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:58, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

The Leia picture however comes from one of the TV spots, so that can be used right? JediMaster1987 (talk) 22:33, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to the official announcement video for Episode VIII, we now have a high quality image of Mark Hamill as Luke from the time of the sequel trilogy. Could we add that? VadertheWhite (talk) 20:55, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

  • It's not really suited for an infobox. It's too wide, and it's to the side rather than looking straight at him. I would wait until we have an official promotional still, or a Blu Ray screenshot from the film when it's released on home media on April 5th. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:02, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
    • There is a portrait of old Luke in The Force Awakens: Rey's Story, but it's a drawing by Brian Rood. What do you think? --LelalMekha (talk) 10:02, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
      • What? It's worth uploading at least as one of the first official images of Sequel Trilogy Luke. They haven't even released an image of him in TFA. --Alientraveller (talk) 10:20, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
        • Just putting this here so everyone can see it before we decide anything. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:24, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Was?Edit

Wouldn't this imply that he died? Why does the article start with was?Takua (talk) 22:42, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

  • All in-universe articles are written in past tense, per "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." More information can be found in the Manual of Style. Cwedin(talk) 22:45, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hair color dispute Edit

Guys, it looks like there is an ongoing dispute about Luke's hair color. Can't we settle the matter once and for all? A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy consistently describes Luke as "blond kid." --LelalMekha (talk) 13:06, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

  • If that's what the book says and the character is already generally known as a blond anyway, then that's certainly more than enough for me. He's blond. ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:29, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Maybe the page needs protecting. Bet these folk think Ezra's hair is blue as well. --Alientraveller (talk) 05:07, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

ROBO hand Edit

is it bothering anyone else that lukes had is no longer human looking? i mean did technology go backwards? last i knew of young luke he had a prostetic that looked real not just a robo hand attached to his arm. why the downgrade? Dracoswizard (talk) 15:20, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

  • I would assume after 30 years the synthetic material would either wear itself away, or fall apart following some accident. Also, if you could, please try to use article talk pages to discuss the article, and not the topic of the article. BrulesBrules signatureClick here to chat 17:17, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Plot leakEdit

It was revealed via plot leak that Luke was suffering from an inner conflict between light and darkness around 30 A.B.Y. Should we put this?--Beethoven4ever (talk) 17:35, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Intro references Edit

Why doesn't the top of the article require references? Or is the information too obvious, and only in the body for obscure information are they needed? I'm just curious. -- NoahR9First_Order.svgChat with me! 03:11, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

  • As indicated here, "This is done to prevent "congestion" in the main introduction of the article. As most—if not all—information appears elsewhere in the article, do not begin sourcing until after the first heading. If, of course, the information does not appear elsewhere in the article, then it is acceptable to source it in the introduction." --LelalMekha (talk) 07:55, August 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks heaps! I was trying to find the policy page myself. NoahR9 First_Order.svgChat with me! 08:02, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

Wording about training with Yoda Edit

This article mentions that Luke spends a whole year training with Yoda. While Episode V itself does not make the passage of time too clear, what is the source that he spent a whole year on Dagobah? QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 00:22, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Update 2Edit

Looks like Luke's biography could use some polishing up.Jkirk8907 (talk) 21:54, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Death?Edit

Did Luke really die? How do I know he's not just doing another force telepathy shit? 1992Toph (talk) 19:29, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

Well,we don't exactly know, but he probably died. Rey swung her staff at your head and (talk) 17:17, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

  • In Star Wars, when a Jedi disappears and leaves only their robes behind, that means they died. And there have been plenty of interviews with the cast and crew since the movie was released where they talk explicitly about Luke's death. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:47, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

ResistanceEdit

How do you know that Luke was a member of the Resistance? His fighting with Kylo may not mean he was. ~Mustafar29 User page · User talk 11:21, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

  • I agree, the reasoning (weak reasoning in my opinion) for it being there is that Obi-Wan has the Rebel Alliance being in his affilations --Lewisr (talk) 14:21, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Dueling Ben and DeathEdit

The section Dueling Ben and Death should be reverted back to "Confronting Ben and Death". Luke and Kylo never came in contact with each other, so it can't be a duel, and the name of confrontation better suits the section. The user who changed it to "Dueling" suggested to consult the talk page or an administrator, so this is why I am writing on the talk page.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:00, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • I agree, confronting Ben is more appropriate to what actually happened --Lewisr (talk) 07:03, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • A duel does not require lightsaber to lightsaber contact seen here: Duel in Ben Kenobi's home. This confrontation is referred to as a duel in multiple places on this wiki and this was talked about a while ago I believe. Kylo and Luke would have come in contact when Kylo attacked him except for the fact that it was his apparition. Kylo swung his lightsaber at Skywalker in an attempt to hit him and Skywalker dodged. These are actions that typically take place in a duel. The only reason contact did not occur is because Luke was not actually there. So, it was a duel just a duel between Ren and Skywalker's apparition. Also, its placement in the film is where the climactic lightsaber duel of each film takes place and is clearly meant to be the duel of this film. In any case, as it the section was originally titled with "Dueling" it should not be changed until we have a canon source overusing that this was a duel as it seems to meet the requirements.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:06, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • Still that example there was an actual physical confrontation. Luke confronted Kylo, not dueled. The title should be confrontation not dueled as its more accurate to what happened.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:09, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • Also facing Kylo could be a good name since that was what Luke said on the movie--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • Confrontation could imply physical confrontation as much as a duel would. The definition of duel is as follows: a contest with deadly weapons arranged between two people in order to settle a point of honor. This classifies as a duel. A duel does not have to contain physical confrontation. --Benjay2345 (talk) 07:12, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
            • It does require physical contact. You can't fight something or someone that's not there.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:14, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
              • A duel is not necessarily a fight per the definition in the English dictionary which I posted above: a contest with deadly weapons arranged between two people in order to settle a point of honor. And this film basically disproves your point that a fight can't occur without physical confrontation as that is exactly what happened.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:16, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
                • "Facing Kylo and Death" would be the ideal since that's what the movie said and the reason Luke appeared, Duel although it could be true is not something accurate.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:15, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • Confrontation could be applied to a fight, duel, skirmish. But it also has different meanings that don't relate to fighting. Per the definition: A hostile or argumentative meeting or situation between opposing parties. Synonyms: conflict, clash, fight, battle, encounter, faceoff, engagement, skirmish. I'm going to go with User:DarthRuiz30--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:18, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • As Luke himself said he came to face him, facing Kylo is better --Lewisr (talk) 07:19, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • This is clearly a duel though. They fight with lightsabers. Just because the lightsabers don't hit one another doesn't mean its not a duel. Kylo takes his cape off which the saga's protocol since the prequels that a duel is about to insue. Everything points to this being a duel. Luke doesn't have to physically be there for it to be a duel. Dueling Ben is just as sufficient a title as Contronting Ben or Facing Ben. There is no need to change it.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:22, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • You can't fight a ghost but you can confront it. Either way, "Facing Kylo and Death" is better than both options in my opinion--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:23, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • Agreed, changing it would be better and accurate to what Luke says. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:25, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • This video :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09c0MXDxto shows members of the story group referring to it as a fight. That makes the official word of the story group that this is a fight. Now knowing that this is canonically considered a fight and the definition of duel is: a contest with deadly weapons arranged between two people in order to settle a point of honor, there is absolutely no way canonically that this can be changed from "Dueling Ben and Death." Canonically this is considered a duel and should not be changed.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:30, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • The film takes precedence over them, even they would say that and Luke said he came to face him --Lewisr (talk) 07:33, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • A confrontation can be a fight. Nothing says duel plus they didn't arranged it--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:34, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • Story Group members sometimes say not to dictate canon on things they say online, I believe this is one of those times. There's no canonical source, and no explicit mention of a duel by any official source or person. When people talk about that scene, they casually refer to it as a fight. That doesn't mean it is one.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • The story group is a canonical and Pablo Hidalgo's words on twitter are used as canonical and abundance of times on this wiki. Based on the events in the film, the words of the story group, and the definition of duel, this 100 percent canonically cannot be changed. It is a duel. And DarthRuiz30 they don't both have to arrange it otherwise none of the duels in the entire saga would actually be duels. There is no reason to change it from dueling. --Benjay2345 (talk) 07:37, January 14, 2018 (UTC)-
          • Benjay they used facing him on the movie, we should too and not create something we think it was done. And yes sometimes we use stuff from them, but you need to know the differences between casual talking and answering a question. The 100% you say is not true you think is a duel and its okay with the background of the other films we can deduce that this was meant to be the duel, but that's what you think. So far I don't think any source (I could be wrong) has called it a duel, and going with the movie would be better than something we think it is. As you said before they call it a fight that doesn't means is a duel as Vitus said a confrontation is a fight, its vague answer that doesn't defines it.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:41, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • We take their tweets as guidance when we ask explicit things, such as this recent tweet here, we don't take things into consideration when they're just casually talking online. Besides, the film takes precedence if there's any contradiction, and Luke and Rey mentions in the movie about "Facing Kylo"--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
            • Ultimately we have an answer, what the film says, the film takes precedence over any source, this has been drawn out far too long for such a small little thing --Lewisr (talk) 07:45, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
              • You don't need an official source to explain every single thing. You can deduce what events are called simply based on what occurs. We don't have to have a canon source tell us that two people talking is two people talking. We just know it is. If two or more opponents fight with lightsabers it is a duel. That's just how it is. That's the definition of a duel. So to say just because we don't have a canon source saying its a duel means we can't call it one. Sometimes events in films can be deduced using common sense. This is one of those cases.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:47, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
                • Call it what you want but it doesn't make any sense. Its a duel fair and square. If films take precedence then the events in the film should be enough to tell you that this is a duel.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:48, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
                  • Luke never fought Kylo though, he moved out of the way twice --Lewisr (talk) 07:52, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • Again, the above reasons, but also, you can't duel with a ghost/apparition because it's not actually there.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 07:54, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • Just food for thought, in a fencing duel based on the rules if one opponent swings and misses because the other opponent moves out of the way and then the opponent trips and falls off of the mat and forfeits this was still considered a duel. Lol. Just because an opponent forfeits doesn't mean it wasn't a duel. Also as far as canon goes the apparition is actually physically there to some extent. Luke touches Leia, Ben Kenobi sits on a rock, Yoda uses his cane to whack Luke. --Benjay2345 (talk) 07:57, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • Luke didn't touch Leia. Yoda's interactions may be different due to him being a force ghost, and as seen by the lightning, has some influence on physical things. Same with Qui-Gon Jinn in The Clone Wars season 6 when he lifted Yoda. So far, we know that what Luke did was a projection of himself. So think of it as a projector in a classroom. It's not physically there, it's only an image projected by light. Luke can't affect physical things when he's projecting, as seen when he doesn't leave footprints on the salt, or when he doesn't make noise when he walks, or when he characteristically brushed off his shoulder even when there was nothing there. All of these were also in the video you posted above.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 08:08, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • Therefore, it's a one sided fight, which isn't possible unless you hit yourself or something. Luke's "actions" with Kylo were to make Kylo believe he was actually there, when he wasn't. This can't be a duel. You can't duel when there's only one person.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 08:10, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • Didn't Luke kiss Leia on the head or am I mistaken?--Benjay2345 (talk) 08:12, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
            • Well you see him do it but clearly he didn't actually do it, I'm pretty sure Rian Johnson said somewhere that Leia knew then he wasn't actually there --Lewisr (talk) 08:14, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
              • Interesting. I think I heard him say that too. I would bet money that in some canonical source (be it the novel, storybook, or junior novel) that this is referred to as a duel. Thematically it definitely seems like it is the duel of this film. --Benjay2345 (talk) 08:16, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
                • Maybe but we will just have to wait and see what happens --Lewisr (talk) 08:19, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

This conversation is way more involved than it needs to be. Ultimately, just choose something catchy for the name of the section. It doesn't need some letter of the law, canonical explanation. There are pages on this wiki that have sections named after OOU song lyrics. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 09:16, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • Brandon, there is nothing wrong with discussing the thematic intentions of a particular scene and whether it was intended to be a duel or not.--Benjay2345 (talk) 09:19, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • That's still making more hay out of this than there needs to be. When you start tweeting at the Story Group to figure out what the name of a single section of a page should be, that makes Wookieepedia look ridiculous. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 09:21, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • That wasn't the only reason I tweeted them and its really none of Wookieepedia's business what I tweet at the story group is it? I'm honestly more just curious of their intentions anyway. --Benjay2345 (talk) 09:23, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • If you're tweeting at them on behalf of Wookieepedia, and saying things like "This has been a topic of controversy on Wookieepedia tonight," then it is 100% Wookieepedia's business what you tweet at them. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 09:25, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • I wasn't intending to be tweeting at them on behalf of Wookieepedia I was simply just stating that that's where I had seen the controversy. I more asked the question for my own knowledge than Wookieepedia's. Unless the tweet is coming from the Wookieepedia account I don't think that the story group is going to assume that I am tweeting on behalf of Wookieepedia just because I mentioned thats where I saw the topic.--Benjay2345 (talk) 09:30, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • This minute detail about a movie that came out exactly a month ago did not have to be asked to LSG. This discussion is not a controversy when there's only four people discussing and the consensus is the same.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:27, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • Leaving crait and death until this madness stops, Facing Ben is better than duel, but you guys can consider this too "Finding peace and purpose" as name sectionUnsigned comment by RaymondAM45 (talk • contribs).
  • "Finding peace and purpose" is 1000x better than anything else proposed so far. Great suggestion! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:00, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
    • I definitely agree. Perfectly sums up the events in the article and resonates with our readers. Now, let's just leave this discussion at that lol--Vitus InfinitusTalk 06:12, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
      • Agreed, let's change it to that and stop this--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 06:21, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm going with Confronting Ben and Death. I think it sounds better, and better encompasses the whole scene. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 07:05, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
    • I'm going with "Finding peace and purpose" as the name section. It's the best option given how Rey described Luke's passing. JRT2010 (talk) 09:16, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Image Edit

Hey, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks that this image:
Luke Skywalker on Crait
would be more appropriate for the infobox? I feel that it is more representative of Luke's character as a whole rather than the grumpy shot that is currently the main image. I wasn't sure though, whether or not this image would be acceptable as it is technically not of his latest canonical appearance since it is a hologram of a younger version of himself. Is the policy against using this image? What does everyone else think? --Benjay2345 (talk) 05:35, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree, and I like it; but I'm not sure it is okay to use the image since it's basically Luke's imagined version of himself as a hero. Still, if nobody objects I'd like this image to remain as the infobox image. It would stay permanent since Luke died in the latest film. Jaewade (talk) 06:00, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
    • Also, look how well that info pic gets along with the quote! Jaewade (talk) 06:02, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
      • We use the most recent image of the individual in that case, that Luke isn't the most recent image from him since its an illussion. Same as why we don't use TLJ Yoda's image is a spirit. Old luke is the one we should use--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 06:21, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
        • It is, however, the truest representation of who he was as a character in the end. The "old" Luke is someone who was broken and beaten by mistakes and failure. The projected image of Luke on Crait is the one that truly represents the character: the person who had owned up to his mistakes and was willing to die in order to inspire a legend that would bring a new hope to the galaxy. It's the person who truly earned the right to call himself a Jedi Master. It's the person who remembered the lesson of Return of the Jedi: that the best way to win and be a hero is by finding another way than violence. My vote is a Crait Luke infobox image. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:56, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
          • The real Luke is the one that made that sacrifice, illussion or not, the Old Luke is the one who did all those thing. We can find a better Old Luke image, but we should be consistent and real to the movie, "Middle-Age" Luke was just the cover the "Old" Luke is the one who did that illusion to distract Kylo--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:05, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
            • It's not the cover. "Old" Luke was the broken man weighed down by his past. He shed that, and what we saw on Crait was who he really was. That, along with showing Kylo the version of Luke he remembered, is literally the entire thematic point of depicting him in that way. Also, you do realize that we can vote and decide on whatever option we collectively want, right? There is no actual rule about using the last known depiction of the character. It's a custom, but not a policy. We should be deciding on what the best option is for the page and subject in question. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 07:17, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
              • I don't think we should change the infobox image, especially since we don't know the extent or limits of Force projection and how much a character can alter the way they look like.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:15, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
                • We do know how much a character can alter the way they look because we saw it with our own two eyes. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:31, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • Before we officially start the voting below, does anyone else have any alternative images that they would like included in the vote?--Benjay2345 (talk) 20:40, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
    • That makes no sense to me Brandon. He could've transformed into 4 ABY Luke for all we know, or perhaps he chose that appearance because it was the appearance Kylo last saw him as. "Seeing it with our own two eyes" is no type of reasoning, as we all have different lenses and POVs. I don't believe we know the extent, unless there's been a source that explains it. We don't have Yoda and Ben depicted as Force ghosts in their respective infobox, and as such we shouldn't have Luke as a Force projection.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:33, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
      • I don't think we need to continue debating this. Right now the conversation is, what are the options for a vote? Then we'll vote, and we'll see what happens at that point. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:11, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
        • I believe there is much to debate but if the conversation has changed then very well do the vote--Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:38, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
          • And I agree with Vitus, its a valid opinion. And just because they want to do a quick voting without discussing what others thinks its not the best way to go, especially for an important Saga character. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 02:42, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
  • I vote for the Crait TLJ image. Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 01:41, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
    • Actually, I just compared the two and the current one is of much better quality. Just think that's worth noting before the voting actually begins. Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 01:42, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
      • @Vitius the reason I said that is because the answer to your last question is one of the first things I said in this conversation. @Fan26 I agree about the quality of the alternative. Any alternative should be of higher quality. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:51, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
  • Here is a higher quality image of Crait Luke that I found that would be perfect for the infobox!
    Luke Skywalker on Crait Promo Shot
    We could have a voted between these 3 images if no one else has any other images to suggest.--Benjay2345 (talk) 02:21, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
    • I dunno about everybody else, but I don't like this one. Feels to cartoony. I'd prefer one of the first two. Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 02:24, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
      • I agree with Fan26. In the case we're going for middle age Luke, that image doesn't look the most appropiate for infobox.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 02:25, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
        • There's no harm in adding it to the vote, though, is there? Just in case other people feel differently and it adds a higher quality alternative for Crait Luke.--Benjay2345 (talk) 02:27, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
          • Why you don't look up for a better quality of the one you uploaded before, with the Blu ray out, I'm sure there should be a higher quality one.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 02:42, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
            • I prefer images like that second posed one, so I'd like it added as an option in addition to a higher quality version of what Benjay originally posted. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:52, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
              • I just checked the Blu Ray and the image that is uploaded is the same quality as the Blu Ray screenshot and also this one has been edited and has removed the particles falling through the air in front of Luke and in the blu ray at this particular frame there is a lot of them in front of his face. It has also been better color corrected for the Databank where it was used so I think that the one currently uploaded is much better. With that I think that it is time to start the voting with these three images as the options. --Benjay2345 (talk) 20:02, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Image VoteEdit

Hello everyone! Due to the discussion in the topic right above this I have decided to open a vote for which infobox image we should use for Luke. I think that the current infobox image for Luke isn't very representative of his character in the end of TLJ and that a image of heroic Luke on Crait would be more all encompassing of Luke's character as a whole as well as well as his character at the end of TLJ. So with these ideas in mind, the two options which we will be voting on are listed below.

Main Vote Description (edited) This vote has shifted away from a favor towards Crait Luke and I have changed my vote in support of Option 6. I feel that this is the best option because of it being a very professional and natural looking crop that is perfectly suited for the infobox. As Clonehunter put it below: "option (6) is a cleaner image more suitable for an infobox based on its crop and the plain-view of the details (Such as both eyes being more visible)." The overwhelming opinion has shifted towards using Luke in his ceremonial Jedi robes so just a reminder to vote below and express your opinion on which image you think is best suited for the infobox so we can get a clear idea of what the masses prefer.--Benjay2345 (talk) 06:19, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Main Vote Description I am in support of option 2 for the reasons that I have listed and also from the chat above this one are User:Brandon Rhea's arguments in support of using an image of Crait Luke as the infobox image:

"It is, however, the truest representation of who he was as a character in the end. The "old" Luke is someone who was broken and beaten by mistakes and failure. The projected image of Luke on Crait is the one that truly represents the character: the person who had owned up to his mistakes and was willing to die in order to inspire a legend that would bring a new hope to the galaxy. It's the person who truly earned the right to call himself a Jedi Master. It's the person who remembered the lesson of Return of the Jedi: that the best way to win and be a hero is by finding another way than violence. My vote is a Crait Luke infobox image."

So, without further ado, cast your vote below so we can see which infobox image option the Wookieepedia masses prefer! --Benjay2345 (talk) 20:19, July 29, 2018 (UTC)

Option 1 (current image)Edit

  1. --Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:10, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
    InGen Nate Kenny (talk) (Vote struck per policy: Fewer than 50 mainspace edits in last 6 months -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:09, July 31, 2018 (UTC))
    --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:27, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 21:33, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
    JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 04:31, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  3. JRT2010 (talk) 06:17, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  4. Only one with any kind of image quality that's also serious. Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 08:24, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    -ES 11:16, July 31, 2018 (UTC)ElectricSupernova (Vote struck per policy: Fewer than 50 mainspace edits -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:09, July 31, 2018 (UTC))
  5. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 12:46, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    1358 (Talk) 17:58, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 18:13, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Option 2Edit

Benjay2345 (talk) 20:20, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:11, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Option 3Edit

Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:46, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
Jaewade (talk) 06:52, July 31, 2018 (UTC) (Vote struck per policy: Duplicate votes. You're welcome to reinstate one of these. -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:11, July 31, 2018 (UTC))

Option 4Edit

Jaewade (talk) 06:52, July 31, 2018 (UTC) With everything aside, Crait ones simply look better. (Vote struck per policy: Duplicate votes. You're welcome to reinstate one of these. -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:11, July 31, 2018 (UTC))

Option 5Edit

I actually like the one that says "none of these."--Hawki (talk) 06:20, July 31, 2018 (UTC) (Vote struck per policy: Fewer than 50 mainspace edits in last six months -- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:10, July 31, 2018 (UTC))
  1. There's really no difference between this and Option 1 except he changed his clothes the next day. Big deal. His face is still the same. That's really not enough for me to vote for Option 1 just because it's the "more recent image." This is the better choice over Option 1 because it's a more vivid picture and not as dark. And the Crait image should not be used because it's not a true representation of Luke Skywalker in 34 ABY. As I said in the discussions, this is a picture of his doppelganger based on his appearance in the flashback scenes from 10 years earlier or whatever the time was. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:03, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    • With the approval of all those currently voting here, I've changed the Option 5 image to what you now see. This is what it would look like in the article. This is objectively a better choice than Option 1 because there is a distinct difference in the Luke Skywalker character between the beginning and end of Episode 8. Option 1 depicts "I'm not a Jedi anymore" Luke before his change of attitude. This "light" image is more representative of his true character at the end of the film and his life overall. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:54, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Exiled Jedi (talk) 18:15, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  3. Tommy Imperial Emblem Macaroni 18:38, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  4. The new option 5 addresses my issues with the strange lightning. 1358 (Talk) 19:04, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  5. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:26, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  6. Cwedin(talk) 21:29, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  7. The full image that this is from was deliberately staged to mirror a very similar image of Luke standing on Tatooine in A New Hope, when he was still full of hope—the same hope we saw him with at the end of The Last Jedi. Given the thematics at play there plus the fact that he’s wearing his ceremonial Jedi robe, I’m comfortable with this being our main image for Luke. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:30, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  8. Option 5 its fine for me--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:21, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
  9. JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 01:38, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
  10. Commander Code-8 Hello There! 02:10, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Option 6Edit

  1. --Benjay2345 (talk) 19:32, July 31, 2018 (UTC) With the developments that have occurred in this vote, I have decided to shift away from Crait Luke, as has the majority of voters have due to the lightsaber fiscal and would like to cast my vote in support of Option 6 which was used for years as Luke's profile image and is a very worthy infobox image, being a straightforward simplistic image that requires little to no cropping and looks more natural than Option 5 which has had heavy cropping and reduced the quality drastically in order to make it infobox appropriate (something that has been frowned upon in the past for the main images of main characters.
  2. Something about the lighting on Option 1 bugs me. This one seems more natural. -The Grand Chewbacca (Talk) 19:36, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  3. Although I like Brandon's reasoning on Option 5 and what that picture seems to represent, I feel this option (6) is a cleaner image more suitable for an infobox based on its crop and the plain-view of the details (Such as both eyes being more visible). Although I don't always like white backgrounds, I think it's a plus in this case. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:46, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Is there really no better shot from TLJ, from the Crait scene, where Luke is depicted without a lightsaber. IMO we should avoid distracting elements such as ignited lightsabers. Something around 2:12:30 looks like it could work. 1358 (Talk) 20:57, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
    • There isn't any policy saying we can't use elements such as lightsabers in the infobox (Anakin's page has had the same image of him with a lightsaber for almost a decade.) The cropping it would take to get the shot at around 2:12:30 infobox appropriate would reduce the quality pretty drastically. The infobox images of the main characters are usually supposed to be pretty high quality shots and from what I understand the original intention and the opinion of a lot of administrators here is that posed images like Option 2 are what is preffered for infobox images. Feel free to put the image you are referring to in the topic above and see what everyone else thinks and we might add it to the vote.--Benjay2345 (talk) 21:11, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
      • The thing is, the Option 2 image is large enough resolution that we can just crop out the lightsaber. It's not an either/or situation here. I'm tempted to create a new voting option for "None of these" based just on that. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:32, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm happy to vote for a lightsaberless one. Benjay, can you go ahead and do a crop of that so it can be added as an option? I'm on an old computer where my image editing isn't cooperating with me, or else I'd crop it myself. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:53, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
          • Am I totally out of touch if I think a cropped version of this (maybe we could even find a littler higher resolution version) would be the best option? It's not as dark as Option 1. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:11, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
            • We used to use a version of that in the infobox so I bet we could dig through the page history to find it again and add it as an option. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:14, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
              • This one was the one used before the current one--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 22:28, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
                • If I had to choose, I think I would go with what we used before (the one Ruiz just posted before me). I dislike Option 1 because it's so dark, and I think we run into a technicality issue with Option 2, in that it's not "really" Luke in the literal sense. That's a picture of his doppelganger, based on how he looked in c. 24 ABY, or whenever that flashback scene was supposed to be. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:36, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
                • Or there's this, a higher resolution version of that earlier one. I would be ok with both. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:45, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
                  • I'm also fine with any of those two.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:10, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
  • I would also be fine with those two as well as the original one. Either of those three works for me.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:00, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • Option 1 is a true representation of how Luke appeared, which is what should be in the infobox. It's not a glorified version we wish he would have been at the end as shown in a force illusion. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 04:31, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • Pretty sure the best qualified image would be old Luke seconds before dying, looking at the twin suns. He looks physically the way he was in real life, yet now has the mentality he had during Crait. That or the current one (as it physically looks the most like him).Unsigned comment by David Kibasennin (talk • contribs).
  • Even if we don't choose the Crait ones, option 1 (current) doesn't seem like the best option. He is wearing dark clothing which he wore during his denial of being a Jedi, and at the end, he returned as a Jedi; wearing Jedi attire. Jaewade (talk) 07:18, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • What is the problem, again, with using a lightsaber in the image? Anakin's has a lightsaber in the image and no one seems to care there? Is there a policy against that or something that I'm not aware of? I tested Option 2 as the infobox image the other day and that image looks awesome as the image in its full glory. --Benjay2345 (talk) 03:29, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    • There's no policy that governs infobox images; rather, it's years of precedent that favors images without distracting elements. Anakin is an exception because I have yet to see a good high-quality shot of him where he looks natural. 1358 (Talk) 17:58, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • I am adding Option 6 back to the vote because I feel it is a very infobox useable image due to its simplicity and it being a very straightforward shot of Luke. The image that is now Option 5 is being used in the article itself and it looks really good where it is being used so I think that instead of going to the difficulty of replacing the image in the text, this should remain an option. It was also used as the profile image for years and people will be familiar with it and may want to use it.--Benjay2345 (talk) 19:25, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, if those of you that have updated your vote to Option 5 because of a lighting issue in the image that is now Option 6, I have updated Option 6 to the correctly lighted version of the image, and feel that this is a loads better option for an infobox image than Option 5 because it is higher quality and less awkwardly cropped.--Benjay2345 (talk) 19:39, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • If we're gonna be more accurate with his physical appearance and lighting of the image representing his inner self in the end of the movie then I'd suggest having the one where he's looking out on the twin suns of Ahch-To right before he dies, if the quality permits.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:47, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
    • I disagree. While we need to choose a picture that is best representative of the character, we also need to use one that works well as a profile image in the infobox. Promotional stills almost always work better than live-action shots for that reason. The last shot of him right before he dies just isn't great for the infobox. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:27, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
      • Agreed. Any view of his face in that sequence is through a close up. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:33, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
  • Hey, quick question, is it against policy to use the infobox image in the text of the article? The full version of Option 5 is currently being used in the Luke Skywalker article and IMO it is an image that functions better as the entire image. If we can't use it in both the article and the infobox, I think that Option 6 would be the better option because it is perfect for the infobox without any cropping and it would allow us to use Option 5 in the text in its full glory. It seems like a waste of such an infobox worthy image in Option 6. Its perfect for the infobox, forward facing, neutral expression (what we always look for). Option 5 seems awkwardly cropped from an image that is better in full.--Benjay2345 (talk) 01:58, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
    • There are no policies saying the full version can't be used later in the article. That would be fine. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 02:18, August 1, 2018 (UTC)