Talk:Mandalore the Ultimate

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Article milestones Date Process Result 6 July 2007 Good article nomination Success 10 July 2007 Good article 16 September 2007 Featured article candidate Success 23 September 2007 Featured article 24 February 2008 Featured article review Removed 13 April 2008 Former featured article 13 April 2008 Featured article candidate Success 19 April 2008 Featured article 12 October 2008 Featured article review Removed 22 February 2009 Former featured article
Current status: Former featured article

Contents 1 Nominating for "Good Article" 2 Leader of scouting Party 3 KOTOR handbook 4 Hasbro action figure 5 Delete information 6 Still confused 7 Outdated 8 The line from the game can be interpreted either way

[edit] Nominating for "Good Article"

Personally, I think this article shows what Wookieepedia users can do if they put their minds to it. I'd add the appropriate tag to the beginning of the article, but I don't know what the code for it is (nor am I certain that I'm clear on the procedure). Let's see if anyone else agrees! Azra Namor 02:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm under the impression that Imperialles intends to go one better and get it to Featured Article status. -- I need a name (Complain here) 22:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leader of scouting Party

What is the BS about Mandalore leading the scouting party. Unless I see some actual proof, meaning an actual line from KOTOR 2 then I'm changing it. According to the first KOTOR, the Chronicle, and the New Essential Chron, Mandalore the Ultimate was slain by Revan at Malachor V. Lets try to keep it that way.Darth Nuke 00:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KOTOR handbook

The KOTOR Handbook says that is not known if this is the same guy who became Mandalore at the end of TOTJ...I'm assuming that this information is confirmed in History of the Mandalorians/the NEC, anyways? (I don't have either of those with me at the moment to check). Kuralyov 20:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The KOTOR Handbook actually basically confirms that it is not the same guy who became Mandalore at the end of TOTJ. The Mandalore the Ultimate entry is somewhat ambiguous, but the Canderous Ordo entry recounts an encounter Canderous had with that Taung, who told him that Mandalore the Ultimate was a usurper with ties to the Sith. The KOTOR sourcebook basically drops a bomb on this whole entry. What should we do? --Dizfactor 09:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• You're thinking of the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, not the Handbook. But yeah, it's a bomb that needs to be addressed. jSarek 09:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I would do it myself, but I don't actually have the book in front of me. I was reading a friend's copy last night before I came here.--Dizfactor 18:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • OK, got to borrow the book overnight, split the Taung Mandalore and M the U into two articles, rewrote some stuff. Still needs to be cited properly, but I need to go to bed. --Dizfactor 08:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Why did an admin revert this to information that is no longer correct?--Dizfactor 02:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about the revert, but for now, might it not be better/easier to simply stick in another section at the end of his biography: "Identity", (or somesuch) that addresses the claims by the old taung that MtU isn't the guy from TotJ? The CG deals with claims and accusations rather than out-and-out telling us that MtU isn't the guy from TotJ, right? (Though it's probably the case that he isn't the guy from TotJ) (90.240.252.35 11:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC))

• I also can't inderstand how could Canderous take the mask from the Taung soldier, when in KOTOR II he says that the mask was taken by Revan, who told him its location before he left for Unknown Regions. If that's true, how could the Taung soldier get the mask?, Mauser 20:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Nevermind, it was armor, not mask. Mauser 20:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hasbro action figure

Maybe the fact that he had a figure produced would be good for his 'Behind the scenes'. 24.17.73.18 03:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Mandalore the Indomitable got a figure, not the Ultimate. SarimThiri 19:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delete information

Well, if KotOR Campaign Guide is right, then all information before the Mandalorian wars should be deleted, because it's not about him, it's about this guy - Unidentified Taung MandaloreQuiGonJinn 08:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

• The KotOR CG states that the ailing Taung "claims" to be the true Mandalore. We don't know if he was lying.--Sentry 21:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
  • But we also don't know if he wasn't. So i think we should at least delete images from ToTJ, because they also appear in Unidentified Taung Mandalore article and therefore make a confusion, and write a note in Mandalore the Ultimate's biography about the possibility of him being the false Mandalore. QuiGonJinn 08:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn
    • The problem is that several sources explicitly state that he was Mandalore the Ultimate. Only one source (the KotOR CG) possibly contradicts that info, but it does not actually state anything as confirmed fact. As such, we have to leave the articles as they are for now.--Sentry 19:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Although, the CG is most recent. Recent pieces of canon info often takes precident over older canon. NaruHina ^Talk 12:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
        • Your point being what exactly? The KotOR CG does not have a definitive opinion on the matter, thus it does not establish canon in this case.--Sentry 19:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Still confused

Last time I checked, Mandalore the Ultimate was the Taung who found the Indomitable's mask, seen in that issue of TotJ. The section of Mandalore the Indomitable that mentions his helmet, indeed links to Mandalore the Ultimate, not to an anonymous warrior. Even the article Mandalore's helmet indicates the warrior of the pic with the Ultimate. However I guess now it's been retconned that he is not the same person right?. We don't know what happened to the warrior who found the mask, and we don't know the Ultimate's beginnings.
Now, what source told us that they are distinct persons? if that warrior is not the Ultimate, why the abovementioned articles have not been corrected and still identify the warrior as him? is there an article concerning the Taung warrior now? should the references to the Ultimate be deleted?

Anyone? MoffRebus 18:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Since nobody objects, I guess I will put the TotJ references back to maintain the continuity of events. MoffRebus 11:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. I found even more evidence that the Taung warrior of TotJ was accepted as the Mandalore, so there was no reason to keep them apart. Of course there is the possibility that this evidence was a remnant of an earlier misunderstanding that was not corrected, but still, I found no reason to object that "misunderstanding". I hope what I did was right (and still get no reply). MoffRebus 17:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated

The article is outdated in the light of the retcons made in the Kotor comics, Handbook and campaign guide. Why is it protected? Gratulor - User Page 12:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The line from the game can be interpreted either way

• "He was known to have been the quickest Mandalorian to ever master the use of the Basilisk war droids."

When Canderous refers to him being one of the quickest to master the power of the war droids, except for Mandalore, he was referring to his youth. Now we know that Mandalorians become adults by 13, and his so youth would be before 13 years of age. Which means that if he fought in the Sith War, wouldn't he be talking about Mandalore the Indomitable? Either way I think it's a bit too vague to be certain wheather he's referring to the Indomitable or the Ultimate. Gratulor - User Page 17:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)