Fanon AlertEdit

All of the new information added to this page is fanon. We should delete it and revert the page to its previous form. I am off to work in a bit, so I cannot do it until much later tonight. AdmiralNick22 17:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• You mean the stuff User:5n00p added? It's been taken care of now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediator length discussionEdit

I have been trying to figure out the length of the Mediator-class. Now, in light of the recent release of a length for the Viscount, I am curious as to which length should be used for the Mediator. Since we have some obvious conflicting statements, I figure that this may be a good place to discuss. :-)

Vector Prime describes the battle cruiser as follows: "Indeed, the battle cruiser was an impressive warship, an updated and more heavily armed and armored version of the Mon Calamari star cruiser."

This quote makes the battle cruiser out to be the latest in the long line of Mon Cal cruisers. It would not be called a updated version of the MC cruiser line if it was 7 times the size.

Yet, VP also describes the Viscount Star Defender as "twice the size" of the Mediator.

Then, in Hero's Trial, a Mediator-class engages a Miid Ro'ik warship, which it is described as larger than. Problem is that the battle cruiser is destroyed by a 1600 meter warship. The few sources seem to contradict each other in regards to the Mediator. I am curious on others thoughts. AdmiralNick22 18:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm, interesting. If we having conflicting sources, it's probably best to put something like this in the infobox: "(smallest size)–(largest size) meters". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  • That would be a good idea. I was tempted to do somethign like that myself but I figured it would be better to discuss it here first. AdmiralNick22 19:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, I think that doing it that way will create an acceptable solution for cases with disputed lengths. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Can you change it Jack? AdmiralNick22 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Sure. I just need the smallest and largest lengths. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, the absolute smallest would probably be 1600 meters (bases on Miid Ro'ik size). The largest would probably be 8500. AdmiralNick22 19:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
            • Okay, I'll add it in. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
              • Per the NJO sourcebook, actually, the Mediator stationed at Ord Mantell destroyed a Yuuzhan Vong battleship, and then was overwhelmed by the Miid Ro-ik. Its also worth noting that the Miid Ro-ik may have had additional shielding donated to it by the Dread Weapon on its bow. Its quite possible for that combination, 2240m battleship, Miid Ro-ik, and Dread Weapon, to overwhelm a Mediator, especially considering how early on in the war that battle is; the NR doesn't know how to win.--Sinre 14:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
• I can't see a reference in the NJOSB to a "battleship": the statistics for the Uro-ik V'alh are given in the Ord Mantell section on page 85 (for whatever reason), but the figures given here for a Uro-ik V'alh's taskforce are quite different from what was deployed around the Miid Ro'ik at Ord Mantell itself. --McEwok 15:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, let's say that the Mediator-class is 8,500 meters. Such a battle cruiser can still be overwhelmed by a smaller ship. After all, a lone A-wing did take out Executor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • The NJOSB tells us, through Malik Carr's bio, that he commanded the fleet of battleships that attacked Ord Mantell. Thus, we have battleships there. Considering three corvettes are mentioned at the Battle itself in Hero's Trial, and only two mentioned in the initial numbers jumping in by the Erinnic, those figures are wrong, at least by the books account of the battle. --Sinre 21:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Wait, what does that have to do with this ship? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Given the range of estimated sizes for the Mediator-class, I personally think that we should still have it listed as 1600-8500 meters in the info box. Anyone disagree? AdmiralNick22 00:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
          • I'm okay with it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
            • Thanks Jack. :-) Can you revert it back to how it was before? AdmiralNick22 03:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
              • I don't want to start an edit war, so I'll give others time to voice their opinion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Considering three corvettes are mentioned at the Battle itself in Hero's Trial, and only two mentioned in the initial numbers jumping in by the Erinnic, those figures are wrong, at least by the books account of the battle.

Or they just highlight different parts of the same battle, like most sources have done with the Battle of Yavin, Hoth, Endor, Geonosis, Utapau, Coruscant, Naboo etc in the movies. As for the size of the Mediator-class, I find no reason to assume it's as small as the old MC-series, which themselves vary in size, from the various MC80a cruiser designs to the Home One. If the Mediator is half the size of Viscount, you'd have a hard time getting it to be as short as an MC80 and not make it look ridiculous and out of touch with the Mon Cal's design traditions. Here's some rough comparisons of what the Mediator would look like, given different distributions of mass (I also added the measured HO model from ROTJ): image shack dot U S )/img272/5136/viscountzk8.jpg MS PaintedVT-16 19:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• What's with the circle and the oval? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
• Just to illustrate how the mass of the vessel would force it to look if it didn't follow general Mon Cal design styles. Either way, it would never actually reach a "length" of just 1,600 meters unless it was designed as a sideways cylinder. :p VT-16 01:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
  • VT-16, given the various, at times conflicting sources, it makes sense to list a size range in the stat box. Having 1600-8500 meters listed is fair, plus it does not favor one viewpoint over another. It seems like a very simple compromise that can be done without offending anyone. Do you, Jack, or anyone else agree? AdmiralNick22 02:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
    • At least put >1,600 meters in length if you have to. The fact remains, it was a battlecruiser, half the size of a Viscount, one went into a fight with YV battleships and a destroyer etc. over Ord Mantell and was destroyed. Doesn't sound that shabby. Why make little more than an MC80a in size? The only way that length reconciles with a size of over half a Viscount, is if it's shaped like a sideways cylinder. :P VT-16 10:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the compromise. :) AdmiralNick22 13:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Sounds good. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
• Something to bear in mind: size and length are not one and the same. It's easy to find ourselves thinking 1-dimensionally in that regard, since length is the main (and often only) dimension officially stated for Star Wars vessels, but a Mediator could easily be far more or far less than half the length of a Viscount and still be half its size. After all, the Executor is at most half the size of the Eclipse, yet the Eclipse is shorter by about a mile according to the current official stats. Red XIV 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, sometimes "size" and "length" are the same. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I just think it's a bit silly to presume that the Mediator-class is shaped like a sideways cylinder or a "flying wing". If the Home One type battleship was ever retconned to be 3.9 km long, this would be less than half the length of a Mediator-class battlecruiser if it's shaped like most other Mon Cal vessels. While that seems extreme, I find it stranger that one shipyard suddenly increases its designs a hundredfold (with the Viscount-class) without any kind of previous experience. Going gradually from the MC80 series and the Home One command ships, taking lessons from Imperial shipdesign and the NR Bulwark-class battlecruiser (later models), making first the Mediator-class and then the larger Viscount-class, just makes more logical sense than suddenly being able to create Executor analogs. VT-16 19:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Are we sure such a shipyard didn't have any prior experience? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
      • The only thing I can think of is a vessel seen on the Mon Cal misc. ship page. It's from General Grievous no.1, and it appeared to be as long as the Lucrehulk-class battleship it was fighting. Of course, since the Lucrehulk is ringshaped, it has more mass than a long, cylindrical vessel, but it's still an example of bigger Mon Cal vessels being run in the CW era. :) VT-16 19:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
        • Of course. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)