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The Miraluka or the Miralukas?
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If I remember correctly, Visas refers to representatives of her species as "the Miralukas". - Sikon 08:14, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Initiates of the Sith says "The Miraluka of Alpheridies." MarcK 09:23, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Power of the Jedi sourcebook also has the plural as Miraluka. I'd be inclined to think the game, as usual, is in error. QuentinGeorge 09:27, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I've mistaken. "The Miralukas" is heard exactly once in the game, other times it is "the Miraluka". I suppose it's the same kind of spelling error as "Bastilla" in Disciple's speech. By the way, why "as usual"? Does the game have other contradictions with something? - Sikon 09:48, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Power of the Jedi sourcebook also has the plural as Miraluka. I'd be inclined to think the game, as usual, is in error. QuentinGeorge 09:27, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Common Names
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What names are common to the Miraluka?
- What names are common to (insert species here)? Almost any. - Sikon [Talk] 18:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Taken from the Ultimate Alien Anthology- Example Names: Damaya Guru, Eloun Kooladi, Embrul Joff, Shoaneb Culu, Zebron Tadro --LightWarden 01:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Eyes
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I'm seeing some contradictory information with regard to Miraluka eyes. The text of this article says simply have non-functional eyes (which is highly plausible; their ancestors once had normal sight, and vestigal organs are common enought in the evolution of a species), but the infobox claims they have no physical eyes at all. Also, this picture shows Visas Marr with empty eye sockets, though given the scarring, it looks as though her eyes were gouged out rather than having never been there. So which is correct? Red XIV 18:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- From Unseen Unheard, which I think is the only time we actually see a Mirualuka's eyes, they have sockets that are empty. Visas' looked that way because Nihilus scarred hers. Kuralyov 15:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- There is this pic... it shows her before the scarring. --RilwenShadowflame 05:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- Is there any source that says or shows that they have eyes instead of just sockets? I've not yet seen one. --Darth Validus 04:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- In Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, Jerec (who is a Miraluka) is referred to as having a strip of cloth over his empty sockets. Even the cutscenes seem to show that he has no eyes behind the strip (a nice bit of editing work by the studio), only empty sockets. No scarring can be seen. 71.253.195.106 20:06, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Is there any source that says or shows that they have eyes instead of just sockets? I've not yet seen one. --Darth Validus 04:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- There is this pic... it shows her before the scarring. --RilwenShadowflame 05:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- From Unseen Unheard, which I think is the only time we actually see a Mirualuka's eyes, they have sockets that are empty. Visas' looked that way because Nihilus scarred hers. Kuralyov 15:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Vision?
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can miraluka see 360 degree's around them o r the limited to human sight? and if other jedi hear the crys of people dieing on a large scale (like obiwan) do miraluka see it? Hicups0002 may7,2006 11:18
- They don't "see" at all. Their perception of reality cannot be defined by a "line of sight." When Kreia teaches the Exile about seeing through the Force, she has him close his eyes and "feel" the Force. The Exile reads the minds of the crew and then further stretches out his "sight" to where he could percieve everything on the ship, even "the hum of the hyperdrive." It's hard to describe, but a Miraluka "feels" the world around him, so I guess you could say that it is like having a 360 degree vision. And I would guess that the Miraluka would feel large-scale destruction much the same way a trained Jedi would. I don't know if that helps. (Sirius Shadowflame 02:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC))
- How about the in-game Force Sight, available to Kreia, Visas and the player (who gets it from Visas as an influence reward)? It's almost like conventional sight, except that the world appears grey and organics have a glow. Gameplay mechanics? - Sikon 15:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd be willing to chalk it up to gameplay mechanics, much in the same way Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess handled Link's wolf form senses. The game visualizes the world as another species senses it. Or the movie Daredevil, in the shots when we see how he hears. (Sirius Shadowflame 17:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC))
- How about the in-game Force Sight, available to Kreia, Visas and the player (who gets it from Visas as an influence reward)? It's almost like conventional sight, except that the world appears grey and organics have a glow. Gameplay mechanics? - Sikon 15:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Force sight
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So here is an interesting question, could miraluka have been able to see things not connected to the force such as Vong or Ysalmari (spelled wrong I'm sure)? 70.152.43.245 06:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Errr someone special?
- To expand on that question, would a miraluka within an ysalamiri's "anti-force bubble" be blind? {{SUBST:User:Xavius/Signature}} 10:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- I guess so. Don't add it into the article though. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 10:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- The RPG, which I believe Wookiepedia considers canon, does indeed state that Miraluka are blind to creatures like the Vong and that their sight does not function in areas where the force is dampened, such as near ysalamiri. Should this be added? 99.154.44.67 08:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
miraluka jedi are rare?
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"Despite their inherent connection to the Force, Miralukan Jedi were quite rare, and Miralukan Sith were completely unheard of in the Galaxy prior to the years following the Jedi Civil War."
just wondering what the source is for this? in 'tales of the jedi: dark lords of the sith', when introducing shoaneb culu it says "her people, many of whom become jedi, see only in the force."
Philby 15:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Many Miraluka became jedi, but there weren't many Miraluka. 75.18.33.252 20:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Original Homeworld?
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What was their original homeworld? If I believe correctly, there was only a colony on Katarr, before they moved to Alpher.
- Katarr is believed to be the only Miraluka colony (ignoring the adopted homeworld of Alpheridies). Their world of origin is unknown. All that is known is that the planet of origin is inhabitable, if it still exists. —Unsigned comment by 206.51.181.80 (talk • contribs).
red skin?
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all of the pics show them with red skin, can we add one thta doest to show thart not all of them have that? Jabberwockxeno 17:38, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
- They have skin identical to humans, just look at Visas Marr. —Unsigned comment by 206.51.181.80 (talk • contribs).
Extinct, or Just Endangered?
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In KOTOR2, Zez-Kai Ell says that the entire Miraluka race was wiped out by Darth Nihilus (not counting Visas, of course, as he was unaware of her existence.) Were they in fact rendered extinct by that event?
- -- Gnostic 16:58, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
- They were wiped out on Katarr, a colony world of the Miraluka. The population was still thriving on Alpheridies. —Unsigned comment by 206.51.181.80 (talk • contribs).
Can they read?
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Can Miraluka see ink on paper?Gabora 06:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
- when you apply ink to paper you are apply a physical object to another, it exsists physically although the rise is barely noticable by our sense of touch i would assume someone using hte force could read it. ralok 06:29, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
- Funny thing that, when you consider everyone (or the vast majority of the civilized parts of the universe) seem to be using e-readers and such, meaning pen and paper are rarely shown to be used. I believe, but don't pin me on it, that the Miraluka "see" things the way the force sees them. It sees what is truly there, not what light tells our human eyes that is there. Pigmentation and other colour divining molecules are real, so I would say they could see everything perfectly, no matter the light conditions, but from a third person vision, rather then first person. It's as if they are looking over their own shoulder, aswell as over the shoulders of those living beings surrounding them. Also, while objects such as droids can not touch or power the force, they can be percieved by it. Beautifull examples for this are Yoda lifting a spacefighter from the swamp and jedi reaching out to the force to fly their fighters into battle.
Not being able to see colors/burned out sockets?
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Here's the thing: how come other non-Miraluka see colors through force sight, but Miraluka can't. Last I read from the developers KOTOR2, they showed force sight as black and white to differentiate it from normal sight for the player, but made no reference that the character saw through the force that way. However, outside of that game, no other source supports this? Plus, there are various sources show Miraluka seeing colors (Including the Old Republic comics) and even the RPG.
Also, only one Miraluka has been shown with burnt out sockets with no other one being shown that way. Also, other's have been described with either shallow sockets or no sockets at all. Plus, I have hear not reference of a Miraluka being able to create an illusion of eyes either?
Seems this is being based off a couple images in one comic and a game mechanic, it's a bit confusing? Brothejr 23:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)