Talk:Moff

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Two notes: 1) Grand Moff deserves its own article, 2) Supreme Moff is completely conjectural and has no place. It doesn't even make much sense: Governors or Prefects oversee planets and systems, Moffs oversee sectors, Grand Moffs oversee oversectors and the Emperor oversees the Empire. Voila. --SparqMan 07:03, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Famous Moffs 2 Major rewrite 3 Splitting article. 4 Disra 5 Pro-Imperial Bias

[edit] Famous Moffs

Does this section even need to exist? I mena, we have a whole separate article listing moffs. Kuralyov 21:20, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

• I'll trim down the moff list a little and add to the list what we don't have yet, if any. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:08, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Major rewrite

Rewritten it, removing fanon. A couple of questions...

• Size of post-RotS Sectors; do we have an exact quote on Sector 3 - and why is the Moff of Seswenna acting within this jurisdiction...?
• "Supreme Moff" - I assume this is fanon? What about the supposed distinction between "Moff Commander" and "Moff Governor"?

Thanks! --McEwok 19:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting article.

Grand Moff is different from Moff and therefore should have it's own article. If we were to keep this at one article, all of the "Admiral" articles would be under Admiral. Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. We could also do with a separate category - Kwenn 19:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I disagree. I wouldn't in principle be opposed to rolling all the different Admiral pages into one, now that you suggest it... but we'd have to combine Admiral, Vice Admiral, Rear Admiral, Grand Admiral, Fleet Admiral, Systems Admiral, Brevet Admiral, and arguably Commodore—eight or nine pages covering a system of ranks that's treated differently in different fleets. That would produce quite a complicated article. Moff and Grand Moff, on the other hand, are a two-part hierarchy, and one that's only ever used by the Empire. Since the history of the Moffs includes the history of the Grand Moffs, I'm not sure it was neccessary to have Grand Moff as more than a redirect page; however, Charles has written something now, and maybe it's not neccessary to convert it back either. I also have some questions about some of the info on the Grand Moff page, but I'll ask over there. --McEwok 11:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
• Count me in for the "keep them split" vote. A little reduplicaton is acceptable, but the two ranks really should have two separate articles. jSarek 11:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Well it's important to remember that Moff and Grand Moff are actually part of a multi-part system. There's Prefect, Governor, Moff, and then Grand Moff.Charlemagne19
    • It's a fair point; but bear in mind that military prefects and planetary governors are both strictly planetary officials, military and civilian respectively; while Moffs and Grand Moffs represent the interstellar level, and I don't think we have any clear evidence of Grand Moffs actually with any authority over other Moffs: they're simply an enhanced version of the same rank. --McEwok 23:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disra

wait, the little captoin under the picture of disra said he died in 19aby, he just got arrested, where is the proof he died?72.230.40.84 19:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Changed - Kwenn 19:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro-Imperial Bias

Half of this article reads like Imperial propoganda. It labels the rebels as radical terrorists and blames them for prompting the atrocities the Empire committed. This is rubbish. I'm going to remove all of the following content:

"Without downplaying the crimes committed by the Imperial regime, we must in short, consider the nature of their authority against the backdrop of the Clone Wars and the subsequent insurgency, and endeavor to separate the reality of the situation from the rhetoric and propaganda produced by Senate radicals like Mon Mothma, and later canonized in official histories overseen by her political secretary and speechwriter, Major Arhul Hextrophon. While Imperial tyranny undoubtedly fuelled the fires of rebellion, it must also be asked how much the actions of the Rebel Alliance were themselves responsible for creating, or at the very least legitimizing, the very tyranny that they claimed to be revolting against." ~Cato

• Whether pro-Imperial or not, it reads like an argumentative essay. We should just stick with the facts here, and avoid phrases like "we must consider", "it must be asked", etc. —Silly Dan _(talk) 23:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)