What DID Leland say?Edit

Ok, so Leland Chee did say "any text discrepencies with other sources would likely to superceded by the other source." But about Yoda we do have a stated policy of not showing any more background info. This is of course not a written source, but how should we interpret Lelands statement? And the Yoda's species page mentiones that Yoda didn't know about Dagobah until just before the Clone Wars. If there is a valid source on that, wouldn't it kick this version of events out the window? Charlii 21:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

or the simple explanation is that yoda did not know he was on dagobah

Or it says that this is an entry into a contest that the Star Wars Fan did not win. So is this even part of the mythology or just Fanon?

• "To a dark place, this line of thought carries us...." Cutch 18:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It is superceded. We don't know who Yoda's Master was and he never visited Dagobah prior to the Clone Wars - Kwenn 18:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I disagree that it's superseded. 1) It's highly possible Yoda had no idea he was on Dagobah on this occasion and 2) This guy was hardly Yoda's "master" in an official sense. QuentinGeorge 20:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, if it's not superceded, we need to have something in the article representing the fact that Yoda most likely had no idea he was on Dagobah. I also suggest adding this info to the "History" section of the Dagobah article. Cutch 21:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
        • I truly don't believe it is superceded at all, as I've yet to find a canon source that says Yoda didn't know of Dagobah until the Clone Wars and in fact the only place I can find it stated is on our own page. If there is somewhere, please feel free to tell me. Additionally, the entry itself (which can be viewed image shack dot U S )/img47/6234/designanalien9small7pp.jpg here for anyone wanting to see it) doesn't say he specifically knew that the planet was Dagobah; in fact, it specifically says that he landed "on a swampy planet covered with dense fog", and then seems to name it in a sort of OOU way, as if Yoda himself didn't know. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
          • The canon source for Yoda not knowing about Dagobah is Revenge of the Sith: The Visual Dictionary. I'd still recommend making the article reflect Yoda's cluelessness—I already added this event to the Dagobah article, as well as mentioned the fact that Yoda likely didn't know where he was. Cutch 22:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
            • Would you mind telling me which page says that Yoda knew nothing of Dagobah? It's definitely not on either of the 2 Yoda pages (pages 34 and 35) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
              • Once again, I curse the fact that I'm at college and away from my books. Maybe it wasn't the RotS VD, maybe it was one of the others. I do remember it was in one of those Fact File boxes... Cutch 23:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
                • Just to quote the small "Data File" box on the Yoda page:

—Unsigned comment by Jaymach (talk • contribs).

• That actually sounds to me like he HAD been there before. jSarek 23:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I would agree, and it's possibly backed up by Star Wars: Complete Locations, as I posted on the Hysalrian talk page.

—Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • WELL, THEN... nevermind. Cutch 02:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
      • The articles I have edited now reflect this revelation. Cutch 03:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
        • I posted a quote from RotS Incredible Cross-Sections in Senate Hall, stating Dagobah was one of 37 planets Yoda found missing from the Jedi Archives. It doesn't actually say that he wasn't previously aware of its existence, however, and the fact that he decided to keep only Dagobah as his "private secret" could indicate Yoda has some special connection with the planet - Kwenn 12:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • • I still have a hard time seeing an entry into a contest as canon. I could write an article about how Yoda's species could fly when younger and submit it into the "what's the story" contest on the OS and not win. Does that make it Canon? - Stinkywookie
        • No, but the only case where it would be publicated would be if you won, in which case it would be canon.
          • But it says on the Hysalrian page that he was an honorable mention. - Stinkywookie
            • and I just saw the entry about the contest and what Leland Chee said. I don't like it but what's said is said. - Stinkywookie
• Leeland Chee has stated explicitely here that the part about training Yoda on Dagobah is not canon:

"does it follow that N'Kata Del Gormo is actually canon, since it's not directly overruled by another source?"

"The existence of such character is part of continuity, but his appearance on Dagobah would not be, since the time of Ep III is the first time that Yoda ever sets foot on Dagobah as noted in the Revenge of the Sith novelization."

--Eyrezer 05:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Time to change the articles... Cutch 05:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Rather than delete the entire selection, I'd recast the bit about Yoda's training as a widely believed story in the GFFA, which is most likely not true (due to the reasons Leland states above). QuentinGeorge 06:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, wait, how does that line hold true considering the other sources which explicitly say it WASN'T his first trip there? QuentinGeorge 06:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Dang good question. Continuity Contradiction Alert!!! Cutch 06:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Unless the comment in RotS(N) came from GL, and therefore overrules simple c-canon, that statement is the easier one to retcon away. As far as I can see it only says: "On the jungle planet of Dagobah, a Jedi Master inspects the unfamiliar swamp of his exile..." I wouldn't call that explicitly stating that he never been there before. And isn't him killing the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi there mentioned in several sources? Charlii 07:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Please take a look at the OS thread linked above again, Leland Chee has explained the issue. The "unfamiliar" quote is in the script as well, and should be read as "never been on the planet before". The Bpfasshi uprising is subject to retcon, Leland suggests that the final confrontation took place close to Dagobah, with the mortaly wounded Dark Jedi limping away before he died. Thus my edit was correct. Charlii 22:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
        • I hate to be a bother, but I'm gonna have to revert again as he says he's unsure as to whether or not that retcon ever happened and, barring higher canon sourcs contradicting it, that means it's still canon. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 06:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
          • We obviously interpret his words differently. After reading the thread again I still stand by my statement. The only thing he is unsure about is exactly how the Bpfassi incident will be retconed, he is perfectly sure of the fact that it needs to be retconed after RotS. Charlii 10:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
            • Charlii has it right. jSarek 10:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
              • I was going by this quote:

Which would seem to imply that even Chee himself is unsure whether or not Yoda had been to the planet before. Of course, if they have used this retcon, then the N'Kata Del Gormo training him on Dagobah isn't canon...but if they've not, then there's no reason to assume it can't be as Yoda will have been to the planet before. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 10:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • • Yoda not being to Dagobah isn't the retcon; it's the new G-canon fact that has to BE retconned. The retcon is Yoda's fight with the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi happening off, but near, Dagobah, instead of on it. THAT'S what he's not sure has been officially used or not, not whether Yoda had been there before. jSarek 11:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
                  • Actually, the G-canon source simply says "On the jungle planet Dagobah, a Jedi Master inspects the unfamiliar swamp of his exile..." which could easily mean he's simply unfamiliar with the area, that he didn't recognize the planet very well or, as I think Leland Chee unfortunately seems to be taking it, that he had never been on the planet before. I think I may ask him myself for more detail sometime later today....just now I need to go as my friend is coming around. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 11:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• The original source also says Dagobah is this fellow's homeworld. Even if the training DID NOT take place on Dagobah (and I'm not convinced of that), the dude himself could still be native to that planet.JustinGann 10:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• He had never been to Dagobah before, but it seems that N'kata Del Gormo training Yoda on a swamp planet is canon. The swamp planet is not Dagobah, although it was originally intended to be. It is possible that the swamp planet is Hysalria, but it is not confirmed. 173.51.126.86 08:27, June 26, 2011 (UTC)