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Isn't this briefly referred to as a "chalcedony wave" at the very end of the "A New Hope" novelization?[]

I distinctly remember this being asked as one of the quizzes in Star Wars: Behind the Magic. LelalMekha 18:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

  • From pg. 219 of the ANH novelization: "At the far end of a long open aisle stood a vision gowned in formal white, barred with chalcedony waves—Leia Organa's signet of office." Looks like it to me. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, this could indeed refer to stripes on her robe. But I thought they were actually talking about the necklace -and in fact, that is what was explicetly said in the french version of the Star Wars: Behind the Magic CD, but I'm afraid this was full of translations mistakes. LelalMekha 19:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
      • I have the English version of BTM handy. If you can direct me to which page the trivia question is on, I could check it for you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure at all, for it's bee a while! It could be the quizz question for any topic related to Leia, the Battle of Yavin or the Massassi Temple... I'll check it tomorrow and we'll see. LelalMekha 19:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Well,it 's definitely Leia's trivia. LelalMekha 19:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Conjectural or not?[]

There's a disagreement between me and JSarek on whether the title of this article is in-universe or not. I've played the Decipher SWCCG quite a lot, and that's where the name comes from. From what I've seen, titles of items and characters are always in-universe. Even though this is technically an effect, it's used like a device (to use game terms). Look at the lore under the title and it's also in-universe. Decipher CCG cards are very acurate most of the time. So I think we should use Ockham's Razor on this one and assume it's an in-universe name unless contradictory evidence shows up. It's quite usual that necklaces and jewelry don't have special names, but are identified by who owned them. Cf. Affair of the Diamond Necklace. Dark Father 08:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

  • This isn't about whether it's in universe or not, which is why I used Template:Nickname, not Template:Conjecture. There are plenty of instances where Decipher was creative with card names or lore; our recent Trash Compactor discussion of The Bith Shuffle is a good example. Also, Decipher was not above using nicknames or handy identifiers where appropriate; for example, we only recently learned that Braniac's real name was Pons Limbic. Prior to learning this, we had his article at Decipher's nickname, with the nickname tag prominently displayed. I don't see this as being any different from that; it's a term for a unique item, but it's clearly not meant to be the NAME of that item. jSarek 11:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Ah, now I understand. I got conjecture and nickname confused. I'll put the nickname tag back there. Still, it might be that the necklace had no proper name. Would it still be a nickname in that instance, if it was the only way to identify it? Dark Father 12:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Honestly . . . I'm not sure anymore. It seems lightsabers such as Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber and Anakin Solo's lightsaber have not been so tagged . . . but Palpatine's cane has been tagged with Conjecture. We may need a Senate Hall or Consensus Track discussion to see what's appropriate and what's not. jSarek 01:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
        • Hmm, I see. That is indeed necessary. One possibility might be creating a new tag for objects without proper names, though that might be too convoluted. By the way, I created this article (I didn't have an account here then). I wouldn't have guessed the intricacies involved with such a seemingly simple object. Dark Father 10:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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