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When do you capitalise padawan? It seems whenever I have written padawan (with or without capitalisation) someone comes along and 'corrects' it. I imagine it should be capitalised when a noun, as in, "Padawan Bastila", but not when saying "Bastila is a padawan." Thoughts? --Fade 14:09, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Padawan is a rank, such as Jedi Knight or Jedi Master. It must always be capitalized. TopAce 21:00, 14 Oct 2005

AppearencesEdit

Do we count Ep. 4 an appearence of a padawan? Anakin Thomas 14:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Come on, there are more appearances than that for a Jedi apprentice/padawan! Telos 06:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Nearly every Star Wars appearance has a Padawan!!!!!!!!!!!!! Telos 03:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Better bring this up again. We currently have Episode V as an appearance, though Episode I was listed as "1st". If we are taking Luke as Yoda's Padawan -- that is, if the term can be used for Luke -- then ESB should be first, and perhaps even Episode IV. Do we have any official source that calls Luke a Padawan? - Captain Kwenn Talk 01:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The BraidEdit

When Luke became a Jedi, did the Jedi go back to wearing briads or did the New Republic forget about them. Double D 20:10, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • I don't think Luke was aware of the use of Padawan braids (he also wasn't aware of the name 'Padawan') so they were not used in the new Jedi Order - Kwenn
    • Seeing as how none (or few) of the Padawans at the Dantooine enclave back in the Jedi Civil War wore the braid; it's likely that this wasn't always tradition to begin with.
    • Is there any in-story reason why Luke didn't learn anything from people like Mon Mothma who were around before the Jedi Purge? They might not know the training methods and traditions, but they'd certainly know the term Padawan and of the fact that Jedis were trained at a much earlier age than Luke's students were.

162.84.120.221 07:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

      • Anyone have any info as to the origin of this tradition?Lonnyd 11:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon Image Edit

if we have to have a picture of anakin, can we get a real picture?? stop all the cartoon junk, cause it looks stupid. anyone care if i change it?

Multiple PadawansEdit

Someone remind me: what's the official retcon for multiple Padawans per master in pre-"Phantom Menace" comics and such? It's not in the article, and I think it should be. Cutch 03:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

  • From the period after the Old Sith War, multiple padawans were discouraged, due to it seemingly leading to them defecting to the Sith. Having a single padawan allowed the master to focus on his pupil better and pay more attention to them. QuentinGeorge 03:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Shouldn't this be in the article? Cutch 23:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Famous Padawans? Gimme a break!Edit

Err... isn't every Jedi a famous Padawan? Anyo ne else think this section isn't needed? Cutch 17:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

    • yes, and its the same with knights it says Luke, Obi etc, there masters now?

riduculus. Jedi Dude 18:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm removing it, then. - TopAce 15:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Padawan Pony Edit

So, can anyone tell me what the deal is with that dinky little pony tail worn by the Padawans in the prequel trilogy? -

No, what should we say about it? MoffRebus 13:51, 17 August 2006

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I dunno, maybe something about what it's there for? I mean, the Jedi don't just have frivolous junk. There's a function and a purpose behind everything. I was just wondering. -Master Moratan

As soon as we learn anything, we will include it in the article, you can be sure about it MoffRebus 04:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The braid may have been optional. And of course, Jedi of species that don't have hair on their heads couldn't have a braid. I'm guessing they had something else that identified them as padawans.--Darth Oblivion 15:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahsoka Tano doesn't have hair. Her Padawan braid is made out of Silika beads.DarthSnips95 01:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Padawan=apprentice? Edit

In KOTOR it is impied that Padawan is a step up from apprentice.--Darth Oblivion 15:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Include it, I say. Its canon.DarthMRN 02:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Age of initiationEdit

So far we have seen a general rule that Force sensitives must be below a certain age to be admitted, with some exceptions, or course. But logic dictates that in times of large-scale war with the Sith, recruiting new blood from the ranks of those above recommended age and throwing them into battle would have been an option. Does anybody know anything about padawan admission in times of crisis?DarthMRN 02:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • in path of destruction, the darth bane novel. they talk about sending force sensitive children into war before the sith recruit them--Black Jack Scarron 20:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

trialsEdit

What if a Padawan never passes his or her trials? Do they remain padawans forever, or do they eventually leave the order?



Good Question~ m.s.

They can retake the trials, or (at lest during the clone wars) they could join the service corps off planet to help with agriculture, or they could remain at the temple and serve as engineers, caretakers, ect. 128.54.190.207 01:38, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

  • This question was from at least 2007. Please note timestamps in the post and close by before responding and do not post in ones that have been inactive for a long while, even if they were never answered. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 01:54, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Padawan's root Edit

I know this is a fairly obscure subject, but in the article, it implies in the intro the word 'Padawan' is not Basic. If not, what language is it derived from, and are there any other words like it that it could be related to? Perhaps from the same language as Bendu, Ashla, and Bogan?-Solus (Bird of Prey) 22:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Quote Edit

In the main quote, I always thought it was "the learner", not "a learner". Anyone? Chack Jadson 21:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should change the first quote to a padawan talking and not refering to one. --User:Axx1000 21:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Mahabharata inspiration Edit

In the Mahabharata, the Pandavas (singular Pandava, in Sanskrit: पाण्‍डव pāṇḍavaḥ) or Pandawa (alternative spelling) are the five acknowledged sons of Pandu, by his two wives Kunti and Madri.

It should be noted, I'm pretty sure that's where it comes from. --Master Starkeiller 22:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I have one question.Ben Skywalker is noted as a Padawan when in the books it says that he isn't a proper apprentice and technically an apprentice which is not a Padawan but is a Jedi above the Youngling rank that has not been chosen as Padawan by anybody since Jacen hasn't properly chosen Ben as his Padawan.Darth Rayze 14:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Age limit Edit

What's the age limit for becoming a Padawan? I know it's somewhere around 13 but is it when you become 13 you're sent to Agri Courps or when you ceased to be 13? Obi-Wan's article seems to imply at 13. I haven't read the Jedi Aprentice books and don't know where I could get a hold of them. Sorry if this isn't in the right place, I'm new to this.

According to The Clone Wars film, TV Series and Novel, Ahsoka Tano is referred to as a Youngling despite being 14 years old (as opposed to Obi-Wan's age of 13 when he was about to be sent to serve the Agri Corps because he still had not been chosen by a Jedi Master to be a Padawan) and as TCW is probably more canon than the Jedi Apprentice series of books, should the new official age that a Youngling becomes a Padawan at the age of 16. Also on the Mace Windu page it says that by age 14 and being the top in his class, he was still unable to construct the lightsaber that came to him in his visions. It also says that he is sent to Hurikane age 14 to retrieve the purple crystals for the lightsaber that we see in the movies. My theory is this: the official age limit for a youngling to become a Padawan is 16 (think graduation from secondary/high school to college) however, with Qui-Gon's depression over Xanatos, the Jedi Council possibly orchestrated sending Obi-Wan off to the Agri-Corps early so that he would cross paths with Qui-Gon Jinn and thus igniting a master-apprentice relationship between the two. The Stark Hyperspace War also causes problems (in TCW Kenobi and Skywalker agree that sending a 14 year old youngling into a war is a bad idea) because Obi-Wan entered a war with his master a year younger than Ahsoka did with Anakin. Sorry I almost forgot, Obi-Wan travelled with Qui-Gon because it all started out as negotiations which escalated into a war. So yeah, I think we should change the age limit to 16 and possibly mention some exceptions.Makashi Master 17:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)Makashi_Master

  • In Yoda: Dark Rendezvous the padawan Scout is about to be sent to the agricultural corps because she's past the the age limit of 13 and doesn't have a master. So based on that, the limit is 13. I have heard speculation that for humans, the limit is 13, but for other species, the limit varies. Also, since canon sources have told us that the limit is 13 (such as the book I mentioned, and the book Obi-Wan was in) the article will continue to say that the limit is 13. We can only say what canon sources tell us, and canon sources say the limit is 13, so until a canon source says otherwise, the article will say 13. 72.79.210.50 20:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Ceremony Edit

Is there any form of ceremony for a youngling to become a jedi's padawan? I note that in Phantom Menace, Qui-gon, and later Obi-wan, both seek the permission of the council to take Anakin as a learner. Could this be comsidered a form of ceremony that generally must be observed? -Asani 17:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Padawans and sabers Edit

Glacialis 14:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC) - Where do Padawans get their sabers?

I think they borrow them from the Academy, and then get their own when the become an apprentice. But I'm not sure. Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 14:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Ops, wrong way round, Apprentice's borrow them from the academy and Padawans get their own. Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 14:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Glacialis 14:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC) - Think Padawans have them made by their Masters? Can't find anything for or against it but it strikes me as appropriate.

Padawans taking PadawansEdit

This is in the BTS section:

"As Anakin did not achieve full Jedi Knighthood until 20 BBY, he was technically still a Padawan, himself, at the time of the Battle of Christophsis. Which would indicate a shortage of Jedi manpower so desperate (due to the Clone Wars), that Yoda had to make an extreme exception to the usual rules."

This sort of struck me as odd.

Anakin was knighted after the Mission to Vjun and during an episode of the first Clone Wars cartoon series that takes place before the Clone Wars film. I know there's a lot of confusion regarding the dates presented for Clone Wars continuity, but the events of the new series clearly take place during a time gap in the first series between Anakin's knighting ceremony in Chapter 21 and the mission to Bomis Korri IV in Chapter 22. Given the evidence of when these events take place in relation to each other, it initially seemed to me this statement is false and should be removed.

I have considered, however, the possibility that the meaning of the BTS statement is to say that Skywalker was given the rank of Knight during ST:CW Chapter 21 because of special dispensation (like a field commission) before completing his final trial, which is basically accepted to have occured on Nelvaan (and after the Battle of Christophsis). If that is the case, if that split hair is what comprises the technicality spoken of, then I propose that it should be more clearly stated as such in the section. Perhaps worded to illustrate that the extreme exception was more accurately explained as a Padawan was Knighted prematurely and held a somewhat dubious rank when given a Padawan instead of possibly being interpreted that a Padawan took a Padawan.

I'm thinking it would only take the inclusion of a phrase like:

"As Anakin only held the rank of Knight without having completed the trials and therefore did not really achieve full Jedi Knighthood until 20 BBY, he was technically still a Padawan, himself, at the time of the Battle of Christophsis."

It seemes to me to add clarification. Anyone agree? 206.195.19.50 15:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

This was me, BTW. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in... Medleystudios72 16:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

As much as I love the Clone Wars graphic novel series and novels before the new TCW film, tv series and books, perhaps the events in those were placed at the wrong time or with certain facts missing. Anakin Skywalker became a Jedi Knight 3 months after the Battle of Geonosis, following the battle of muunilinst, his duel with Ventress on Yavin IV and the introduction of Grievous into the war allowed for his ascension to Knight. An example of a timeline could be: Episode II: Attack of the Clones,CW volume 1, CW volume 2, CW volume 3, CW chapters 1 - 21, CW volume 6, TCW film, TCW TV Series, CW Volume 7, CW Volume 8, CW Volume 9. But why no mention of Ahsoka in those later volumes? Perhaps she had already been killed, reassigned to another Master or perhaps Anakin allowed her to operate alone with Captain Rex. So in short Anakin Skywalker did become a Jedi Knight in 22 BBY. This is a rough guess so don't take my word for it. Makashi Master 17:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)Makashi_Master

The Quote Edit

Um, I don't get how it has to do with Padawans. It only mentioned it, that's it. We should change it. --SuperFlash101 21:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. It's restating what Qui-Gon said in Episode I,that training to be a Jedi is not easy. It outlines the challenges Padawans have to face,so I think it is perfect for the articleDarthSnips95 01:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


Obi-Wan's Purple Lightsaber? Edit

Why does obi-wans lightsaber look purple in the picture on this page? Fire-lord (If no one talks thing out, how will we ever have world peace?) ; 01:44, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

  • Because the technology to generate the lightsabers in TPM was not very good. It's blue. Cade Calrayn StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit 02:00, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

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