Talk:Padmé Amidala
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[edit] Padme's body
- I've read in two different articles (Obi-Wan Kenobi and Japor snippet) that Padme's body was cremated, but the statement was never sourced. Does anyone know where this statement comes from? If it's true, then it should probably be mentioned in Padme's own article as well as sourced in other articles. AngelQueen 21:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
No one really knows what the Naboo did to Padme's body, but it is almost certain that she was either buried, cremated or cast out to sea (I mean, what else can they do with it?) But yeah, I think it might just be fanon. Check with someone who knows more about this stuff. Officially The Greatest Jedi In the Game 12:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
In Naboo tradition the body must be cremated after 2 days of death then the ashes are cast out over a the Solleu River that runs through Theed. Since Padme loved Naboo and the people of Naboo her funeral was most likely kept within tradition, suggesting that she was cremated. Although many beleive she was buried at her lake retreat that would have been out of tradition. I personally belive that she was cremated keeping within Naboo traditions. The stament AngelQueen stated was probaly found in the Episode 1 complete picture thing lol anyway it says in there that all bodies where cremated after death then cast out over the river. that is probaly where its from. i hope this helped you!!!!!!!!!! --KreiaSkywalker19 23:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Remembered?
In episode 6, Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother from a very young age, but in Episode 3 it is revealed that Padme dies shortly after child birth. Isn't it conflicting to suggest that Leia could remember her mother from the moment she was born?
- This issue was much discussed... read some of the sections here: [1] Nanook 21:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have read that discussion and disagree with the conclusions. Leia says in her quote that she remembers her 'real' mother. If Bail Organa was trying to keep secret the fact that she was Anakin's offspring, Leia would never have been told that she was adopted only to raise more dangerous questions about her origins. There are indications that Bail's wife died before Leia reached maturity (one source provides that she was cared for by three of her aunts with her mother gone). Some say that the Force filled in the memory of when she was an infant, however, if she really remembered Padmé as her mother, why would she not recognize the portrait of Senator Amidala hanging in the Senate? Why, too, would Luke - countless times stronger in the Force than his sister at the time of his question to Leia - have no memory of his mother? I think the quote by Leia should instead be used for Breha Antilles Organa, for that is who she is referring to. BTW, Lucasfilms has hinted at that quote being expounded on during the release of the live-action TV series, suggesting that the death of Breha will be highlighted sometime in the series.
- It happens all the time that a surrogate or adoptive mother dies and the father remarries without ever telling the child of their previous adoption. Breha is in the hole that Lucas has not yet filled with the live-action series, and there are already references that she died while Leia "was very young". Occam's razor: Leia thinks she remembers Breha as her real mother, and Luke specifies 'real' to differentiate from a subsequent wife of Bail. This is speculation, of course, but so is trying to fixate on Leia remembering Padme, which is far more complicated to explain. Add this to the fact that the Breha page alludes to Leia remembering Breha as her 'mother'. Gethralkin 13:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- This has been discussed and debated quite a bit, but no solid resolution has really come of it. Can I please have a direct reference from Lucasarts that Leia is thinking of Padmé when she said the quote at the top of the article? Additionally, the article itself describes that it isn't clear how Leia could be remembering Padmé as her real mother, and that attempts to make Padmé fit the memory are speculative. Besides, a quote of Leia only promotes that line of thought and doesn't actually link the two characters together. Plus, although the quote could possibly describe her emotional makeup, it does not sufficiently fully describe what kind of person Padmé really was. However, if the quote is truly referencing Padmé (can actually be sourced to Lucas), I will be glad to make sure that it is reflected on the quotes page, as well, so that it is solidly referenced. Due to the conflict, speculation, and controversy, however, I move that the opening quote be changed from the touchy subject of Leia's memories to one that better fits the type of person that Padmé was during her life, and that better describes the strong, dynamic person that she was. Gethralkin 16:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Please refer to the canon policies of this site. Information does not need to explictly determined as originating from George Lucas to be considered authoritative. The official site's Q and A long ago established that the ROTJ quote refers to Luke and Leia's biological mother. QuentinGeorge 01:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- That's nice, still need the source. The only Lucasfilm source stating that Leia remembered Padmé that I found on StarWars.com later stated that it was not officially approved by Lucas. BTW, Lucas pretty much has the final word on what gets put in the canon, especially if it pertains to the main characters. As for what is considered a valid source by this site, I am fully aware of the list. Now, because the only source I can find is from a Lucas employee that responded to comments later saying that the theory that was laid out was speculative is what we need a valid linked source for. Gethralkin 04:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- The explanation that Leia was not likely remembering her biological mother was put forward by The Art of Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by Marc Cotta Vaz (valid source). It explains how Leia replies that her memories are only vague and that her mother died when she was very young. That it is possible that Leia was not referring to her birth mother, Padmé Amidala, but to Queen Organa herself, as Padmé died in childbirth, as seen in Revenge of the Sith. Since Luke stressed in Return of the Jedi that he was asking about Leia's real mother, it would mean either that Leia's early remembrances were of Queen Organa and that the Queen died long before the destruction of Alderaan, or that the memory is simply false (I personally do not believe that the memory was false...just of Breha instead of Padmé). On top of the reference just mentioned, IF Leia was to have remembered (via "Force memories") her biological mother, why not Luke? And why only remember sadness, instead of the vibrancy she displayed, and faith she had in others? Padmé's sadness was only at the end of her life. "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past...old friends long gone." The Force, if it was instrumental to Leia having memories of her mother, would have helped her to see how strong a woman she was, and how full of hope Amidala was. Jacen and Jaina Solo have been mentioned before as examples, but they serve to show that, if children in the womb have that connection with the Force, then it isn't going to be manifest only at their birth. Luke and Leia both would have had several months of experiences through the Force if that was the kind of connection they had. Gethralkin 05:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Another point to consider is that Leia said that her mother died when she was 'still very young', and did not say that she died when she 'was born'. Another point to consider is that Padmé was well represented visually in the Senate. Leia would have known who she was if she remembered her and then was shown a picture or holo of the woman. However, Leia demonstrates no such recognition which she obviously would have passed on to Luke. Yet, it was Alema Rar who disclosed to Luke the identity of their biological mother many years later. If no one has any sourced proof that Leia is undoubtedly referring to Padmé when talking of her memories, then in accordance with Wikia's "Neutral Point of View" policy, I will remove the quote (which only serves to promote one side of this debate), and replace it with one that directly and undoubtedly refers to Padmé. Gethralkin 20:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- First, Leia does not use the word "still". She said, "She died when I was very young." Secondly, why is this being argued? I'm certain, in interviews, Lucas has stated that Leia was talking about Padmé. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 20:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Another point to consider is that Leia said that her mother died when she was 'still very young', and did not say that she died when she 'was born'. Another point to consider is that Padmé was well represented visually in the Senate. Leia would have known who she was if she remembered her and then was shown a picture or holo of the woman. However, Leia demonstrates no such recognition which she obviously would have passed on to Luke. Yet, it was Alema Rar who disclosed to Luke the identity of their biological mother many years later. If no one has any sourced proof that Leia is undoubtedly referring to Padmé when talking of her memories, then in accordance with Wikia's "Neutral Point of View" policy, I will remove the quote (which only serves to promote one side of this debate), and replace it with one that directly and undoubtedly refers to Padmé. Gethralkin 20:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- The explanation that Leia was not likely remembering her biological mother was put forward by The Art of Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by Marc Cotta Vaz (valid source). It explains how Leia replies that her memories are only vague and that her mother died when she was very young. That it is possible that Leia was not referring to her birth mother, Padmé Amidala, but to Queen Organa herself, as Padmé died in childbirth, as seen in Revenge of the Sith. Since Luke stressed in Return of the Jedi that he was asking about Leia's real mother, it would mean either that Leia's early remembrances were of Queen Organa and that the Queen died long before the destruction of Alderaan, or that the memory is simply false (I personally do not believe that the memory was false...just of Breha instead of Padmé). On top of the reference just mentioned, IF Leia was to have remembered (via "Force memories") her biological mother, why not Luke? And why only remember sadness, instead of the vibrancy she displayed, and faith she had in others? Padmé's sadness was only at the end of her life. "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past...old friends long gone." The Force, if it was instrumental to Leia having memories of her mother, would have helped her to see how strong a woman she was, and how full of hope Amidala was. Jacen and Jaina Solo have been mentioned before as examples, but they serve to show that, if children in the womb have that connection with the Force, then it isn't going to be manifest only at their birth. Luke and Leia both would have had several months of experiences through the Force if that was the kind of connection they had. Gethralkin 05:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- That's nice, still need the source. The only Lucasfilm source stating that Leia remembered Padmé that I found on StarWars.com later stated that it was not officially approved by Lucas. BTW, Lucas pretty much has the final word on what gets put in the canon, especially if it pertains to the main characters. As for what is considered a valid source by this site, I am fully aware of the list. Now, because the only source I can find is from a Lucas employee that responded to comments later saying that the theory that was laid out was speculative is what we need a valid linked source for. Gethralkin 04:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Please refer to the canon policies of this site. Information does not need to explictly determined as originating from George Lucas to be considered authoritative. The official site's Q and A long ago established that the ROTJ quote refers to Luke and Leia's biological mother. QuentinGeorge 01:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- This has been discussed and debated quite a bit, but no solid resolution has really come of it. Can I please have a direct reference from Lucasarts that Leia is thinking of Padmé when she said the quote at the top of the article? Additionally, the article itself describes that it isn't clear how Leia could be remembering Padmé as her real mother, and that attempts to make Padmé fit the memory are speculative. Besides, a quote of Leia only promotes that line of thought and doesn't actually link the two characters together. Plus, although the quote could possibly describe her emotional makeup, it does not sufficiently fully describe what kind of person Padmé really was. However, if the quote is truly referencing Padmé (can actually be sourced to Lucas), I will be glad to make sure that it is reflected on the quotes page, as well, so that it is solidly referenced. Due to the conflict, speculation, and controversy, however, I move that the opening quote be changed from the touchy subject of Leia's memories to one that better fits the type of person that Padmé was during her life, and that better describes the strong, dynamic person that she was. Gethralkin 16:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- It happens all the time that a surrogate or adoptive mother dies and the father remarries without ever telling the child of their previous adoption. Breha is in the hole that Lucas has not yet filled with the live-action series, and there are already references that she died while Leia "was very young". Occam's razor: Leia thinks she remembers Breha as her real mother, and Luke specifies 'real' to differentiate from a subsequent wife of Bail. This is speculation, of course, but so is trying to fixate on Leia remembering Padme, which is far more complicated to explain. Add this to the fact that the Breha page alludes to Leia remembering Breha as her 'mother'. Gethralkin 13:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have read that discussion and disagree with the conclusions. Leia says in her quote that she remembers her 'real' mother. If Bail Organa was trying to keep secret the fact that she was Anakin's offspring, Leia would never have been told that she was adopted only to raise more dangerous questions about her origins. There are indications that Bail's wife died before Leia reached maturity (one source provides that she was cared for by three of her aunts with her mother gone). Some say that the Force filled in the memory of when she was an infant, however, if she really remembered Padmé as her mother, why would she not recognize the portrait of Senator Amidala hanging in the Senate? Why, too, would Luke - countless times stronger in the Force than his sister at the time of his question to Leia - have no memory of his mother? I think the quote by Leia should instead be used for Breha Antilles Organa, for that is who she is referring to. BTW, Lucasfilms has hinted at that quote being expounded on during the release of the live-action TV series, suggesting that the death of Breha will be highlighted sometime in the series.
- Let's end this. Now. It is accepted by most fans that she is referring to Padme. Please accept that, or at least stop pressing the issue here. There are several sources that say Leia was talking about Padme, not Breha. Chack Jadson (Talk) 20:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- The problem, Chack, with all of this is that both this article and the Breha article state (with the Breha article citing sources) that Leia remembered that character as her mother. Now, one of them is wrong, and I need sources to fix the one in error. Sources that say Leia was talking about Padmé may very well exist and be valid, however, no one has yet produced them to my knowledge. JMAS, you are correct, and I was mistaken. Hadn't had time to go through the film lately, but after rechecking, there is no "still" in the line read by Carrie Fisher. It was a misquote that I picked up from another post commenting on her memories and I have removed it from my argument because of its irrelevance. As for interviews, I would love to have a quote from them. It has been stated that most fans agree that Leia is remembering Padmé as her mother in RotJ. However, seeing as there are no verifiable sources that have yet been provided, the quote given at the top of the Padmé article really should be removed and a comment for Bts for both the Padme and Breha articles should mention both theories. As for those who feel strongly against removing the quote, be reminded please of the policy of this site:
- "Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material...The threshold for inclusion in Wookieepedia is whether material can be reliably attributed, not whether any individual editor holds it to be true. In particular, material that an editor believes to be true but that cannot be attributed to a reliable source should not be included in Wookieepedia." (emphasis mine)
- If there is a source for the quote stating that it is indeed referring to Padmé, please list it here in this talk thread to refute the removal. I will wait a month before replacing it with another quote that represents Amidala's character and personality. However, if and when before that time someone produces a reliable source that can be inserted into the article stating that Leia was indeed talking of Amidala, I will change what information members have added to the contrary in the Breha article. Gethralkin 07:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Leia is force sensitive. All things considered, I'd call that explanation enough. —Unsigned comment by 86.20.145.248 (talk • contribs).
[edit] 2.2 Updated with new information on her death
i read in the preview for coruscant nights 2 that her autopsy report gave a better explination on how she died than"losing the will to live" the information can be found on page 350 of jedi twilight.(Verlok 03:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC))
- I rewrote this section a little bit to make it flow better. I'm not entirely sure how to add sources, but yeah, it should be Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows - Amrita Glittersong 23:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
It says in her article she died from Anakin's force choke. It crushed her throat, though you couldn't see that. Personaly, I like the idea that she lost her will to live. LeiaOrganicSolo 01:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nice, like the new info. I like the better explaination of her death. Now Vader really DID kill her, and it wasn't just her losing to herself. JediNTT307 01:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Skywalker
Why isn't her last name officially that of "Skywalker" after her marriage to Anakin Skywalker in Episode II? Shouldn't her legal full name be Padme Amidala Skywalker? Maybe we should change the name on the article? korydvandyke 08:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- It was a secret marriage, so she didn't take his name. -LtNOWIS 13:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Granted, although I don't know how they do things religiously/legally in the Star Wars Universe, but they're marriage was before a minister and with two witnesses (R2-D2 and C-3PO). In our world that qualifies as a legal sanctified marriage, and shouldn't that be the same in their world, even if it was in secret? Sure, she wouldn't present herself as a Skywalker, but isn't she legally a Skywalker? korydvandyke 16:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Even if we did apply real-world policies to the Star Wars universe (which we don't), that still doesn't hold water. I personally know more than one couple who are legally married, not even in secret, and she legally does not have her husbands name. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
probley not because maybe after one of the eposides aniken almost killed her. after going to the dark side. (Queen amidala 13:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC))
[edit] Arena Picture
Don't we have a good picture of Padmé from the Geonosis Arena for the article? I think we should have one on there. JediNTT307 01:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'll try to get one tomorrow or the next day. If someone beats me to it, please post here so I know. ZEM talk to me! 03:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- Done. I put the best one I could get. ZEM talk to me! 18:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
- That's good. Thanks. JediNTT307 22:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Force
Is Padme Force Sensitive? KingDonfin You Seem familiar have I threatened you before!!! 03:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
No. Except for the Episode III novelization indicates that she could sense the Force through the Skywalker twins, during her pregnancy, or something like that... ZEM talk to me! 03:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
She could feel their power since they were inside her. And she felt there reaction to Palpatine. WILDEYE N-25 01:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The novel of AOTC suggested that she was force-sensitive, but I read that that was a deleted scene or something.[[2]]--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 05:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I read the AOTC novel also and it was something Yoda said, to the effect of: "Strong the Force is with you Senator Amidala." Paraphrased that is though. ZEM talk to me! 13:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
She might be strong in the force but that doesn't mean she is force sensative enough to actaully do anything about it. And, i was thinking, could another explanation for the "Ruminations" scene in ROTS (where Padmé and Anakin look out to each other and can feel eachothers feelings) Could Anakin & Padmé have created a force bond? JediNTT307 01:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if Padme is force-sensitive or not. I haven't been able to find any official sources confirming or dismissing it. I think in the AOTC novel, Yoda had said "Force sensitive, your are, Senator." But, even if I remember it right, the books aren't really a reliable source for that kind of info. It could have been something that GL had changed his mind on when the movie came out.
As for that scene in ROTJ, yes, I think it's very possible that she and Anakin had created a force-bond. If she isn't force-sensitive, and if Wildeye's explanation is correct, she probably felt Anakin's emotions through the twins she was carrying. Artoo-Droid--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 15:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't think Padme is Force-sensitive but somehow she and Anakin did create a Force-bond. The ROTS junior novel makes several references to their bond in the Force, and that is how Padme could sense the good left in Anakin. ZEM talk to me! 04:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
she had a force but in my school people say that no women or girls have the force and pademe does. (Queen amidala 13:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)) talk to me!
[edit] Youngest Queen
This confuses me in AOTC Padme said she was not the Youngest Queen ever Elected but Apailana was the youngest at 12. yet she hadnt taken office yet. who was the yougest queen and who was Padme talking about when she said she wasnt the youngest queen HELP!!!!!!!!!!! --KreiaSkywalker19 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
- That monarch has never been identified in canon. - Brandon Rhea
(talk) 23:05, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
OK! i'm totally confused, is this Queen Amidala from Phantom Menace(I think that's where Queen Amidala made her first apperance)?--Princess Leia Organa Skywalker Solo 21:27, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
