Delegation of 2000[]
In her infobox, it notes her loyalty to the Delegation of 2000, but that was only ever in cut content. Looking at the canon policy, "information from cut content was usually considered non-canon but in some cases may have been confirmed as canon." That's how we treated it in the past and, unless there's something I'm unaware of now, shouldn't we continue to handle that the same way? The Delegation of 2000 was not in the final film, therefore not canon, right? ProfessorTofty (talk) 21:11, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about Padmé's involvement, but the Delegation itself still is canon, per Meena Tills' entry in the new official databank. --Lelal Mekha (Audience Room) 08:47, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm. Well, that's good to know, but perhaps we ought to err on the side of caution when it comes to actually listing Amidala herself as a member, unless we have something that wasn't cut content that says so. ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:16, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
Family[]
Why are Padme's family not listed? Their pages all refer to them as potential relatives, and while I know most of their stuff was deleted, it's fairly obvious by their presence at the funeral that they are canonically her parents, sister, and nieces... —Unsigned comment by 75.59.232.130 (talk • contribs).
- Fair question. Essentially, we don't have a canonical source saying that, so until we do then we can't list them as such. Once we do have a source saying that, we will update the articles to reflect. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:37, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Expanding on that, it appears that while some of her relatives' names have recanonized, their relations to Padmé have not yet been recanonized. Some of them, like Sola Naberrie, don't yet exist in the new canon. We'll have to wait on that, until it's further fleshed out. IFYLOFD (Talk) 18:38, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
Infobox color[]
Why does Padme have a Galactic Empire infobox? She died just after the empire was founded. Skywalker2255 (talk) 22:10, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I believe the reasoning is that she was still alive at the foundation of the Empire, and therefore briefly represented Naboo in the Imperial Senate. I would definitely agree that the Republic colors would be way more fitting, though. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:11, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, her last major affiliation was the Republic. I thin it should be changed. Skywalker2255 (talk) 22:13, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Just another beautiful character wasted :( —Unsigned comment by 92.16.114.247 (talk • contribs).
Default Sort[]
It seems that the article is still listed by her first name whenever she ends up in a Category Intersection. Even though the wiki markup coding clearly states that she's to be sorted as "Amidala, Padme", she's still listed in the P section. Is this a bug with the coding?Shayn Mikel (talk) 20:11, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
TLJ[]
Did she got indirectly mentioned on TLJ? When?--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:21, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
- No idea--189.222.69.5 20:29, December 17, 2017 (UTC)
She lost the will to live[]
"Amidala, unable to face what had become of Skywalker, had lost the will to live (at least, according to the medical droid) and her body began to shut down despite the efforts of the medics to save her." It might be silly, but I think, this is not true. I think, her heart was broken, but she said, there is still good in Anakin, so she knew that there is hope for him. To tell the truth, I can't see, how she would gave up her life when she just gave birth to her children, and how she couldn't face with Anakin's transformation if she knew that there is still good in him, so maybe this is more complicated than this. And on the top of the article the text says she was gravely injured. Maybe that would be more appropriate phrasing? WriterBuddha (talk) 21:00, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
Biography gallery sourcing[]
Does this article source to databank's biography correctly?--Editoronthewiki (talk) 18:03, June 17, 2019 (UTC)
Apailana[]
How come Queen Apailana isn't mentioned anywhere in this article? She should be because became the new queen of Naboo after Padmé death, maybe either under the Death (funeral) section or the Legacy section. And I bet other attendants of the funeral, especially the Amidala family should be in there too. Rocket Retro Reed (talk) 15:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- By all means, feel free to add info if you believe an article is lacking. RattsT (talk) 17:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- I should have said this through my old account, but in talk pages when I ask questions like "Should anything about _____ go anywhere in this article?", not only do I mean it like I will make the edit(s) myself, I also mean that I [may] need help too, sometimes. Rocket Retro Reed (talk) 21:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
ARTİCLE NAME[]
The article is not supposed to be called Padmé Naberrie Amidala Skywalker ?!RearendiaRT (talk) 12:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- What source uses this name? UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We already know from many books and movies that he comes from the Naberrie family and married Skywalker.RearendiaRT (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We cannot move the page to this name until it is used in a source, see this. UberSoldat93 (talk) 12:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We already know from many books and movies that he comes from the Naberrie family and married Skywalker.RearendiaRT (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
LGBTQ+ individuals[]
So what exactly is the reasoning for adding Padmé to LGBTQ+ individuals? I know there was a discussion about it somewhere though I never saw it. The books are clear that Sabé is in love Padmé, but there's no indication of the other way around. Some people may interpret it as such, which is completely fine, however it is speculation for an encyclopedia to go by any single interpretation. Furthermore, E. K. Johnston has said her intention was for Padmé and Sabé's bond to be sisterly, so it should make the most sense to go by the authorial intent here. Rsand 30 (talk) 23:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi! As far as I am aware, no one was ever able to produce evidence that E.K. Johnston called Padmé and Sabé "sisters". Spookywilloww claimed there was a tweet in which Johnston said this but was never able to produce that tweet. Moreover, there are multiple instances where Padmé experiences jealousy while witnessing Sabé flirt with someone else (Harli Jafan). Here is one quote from Queen's Peril: "Padmé listened to [the handmaidens] plot, feeling strangely disconnected. Yes, Neurotransmitter Affection were shatteringly popular, but there was no reason to be so reckless as to go and see them. Unless Sabé really did like Harli. If so, Sabé would have to keep secrets from both, and surely that wouldn't be any fun. Unless she ended up liking Harli more. Padmé refused to go down that road. There was no reason to be jealous or doubt Sabé's loyalty. They were just going to a concert, like normal girls. One night. They could make that work" (Johnston 143, my bold print). Later, at the concert, Padmé sees Sabé dancing with Harli and once again has to calm her own jealousy: "Sabé and Harli moved well together, and Padmé almost forgot to watch the band. She didn't like this feeling. She didn't think it was jealousy--not entirely, anyway" (Johnston 148, my bold print). It is difficult to understand why Padmé would feel jealous over seeing Sabé flirt with someone else if she is not romantically attracted to her. There is also plenty of other evidence, but this is the most concrete. Let me know if you would like to see more and I will be happy to provide it. Queen Amiadala (talk) 00:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, thank you. I do think it could still be up to interpretation, though if no one can find Johnston's tweet then I guess leaving the category is fine for now. Rsand 30 (talk) 00:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Mia! thank you for commenting here. I do think Spooky's comment was more that she wanted you to put more into Padme's bts about what EK had said, none of which was too overt on her sexuality and hence in the end supported your thesis. She just wanted everything properly cited. I think it was lost in translation as to what she was asking. I think Spooky was pro-Amidala getting the category and just wanted everything cited lol. Also I think it was a Mike Chen tweet that called their bond sisterly? And the debate was over whether that would impact? I don't think it would personally Editoronthewiki (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Editor, thanks for your response. I am happy to add references to Johnston's tweets in the BTS section of Padmé's page. There is only one I can think of that directly references Padmé and Sabé and would be relevant, though. It links an article about deep friendships but this does not necessarily preclude a romantic reading. Let me know if there are any other tweets you believe I should mention. Queen Amiadala (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- This is all total speculation. Couldn't she just have been jealous that one friend chose the other friend over her? Maybe it wasn't jealousy but lonliness or isolation she was feeling? Maybe this tag should be removed as speculation until a source explicitly states so? 124.180.213.62 09:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- The term “jealous” is actually used twice in Queen’s Peril in relation to Padmé’s feelings for Sabé (see pages 143 and 148), so we can rest assured that she is not simply feeling loneliness or isolation. Neither is she “jealous that one friend chose the other friend over her”, as Harli is not a platonic friend to Sabé but is established repeatedly as a love interest. Therefore, the situation is as follows: Padmé watches Sabé flirt and dance with someone else and becomes jealous. I struggle to see how this could be interpreted as anything but romantic interest. Queen Amiadala (talk) 11:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- You could say that about EVERY relationship in Star Wars. You could interpret the relationship between Han and Lando or Han and Luke as LGBTQI+. - 11:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am providing concrete textual evidence of Padmé’s romantic attraction to another girl. I am confused by the intended meaning of the above comment: “you could say that about EVERY relationship in Star Wars”. I have detailed a very specific situation where the text specifies (not once, but twice) that Padmé becomes “jealous” over seeing her female friend/crush flirt with someone else. If you believe that Luke/Han and Han/Lando have similar textual evidence, then perhaps we should consider adding Han to the LGBTQ+ category (as Luke and Lando are already included). Queen Amiadala (talk) 12:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- If E.K. Johnson intended for Padme to be LGBTQI+, she would've said so. But no, the writer herself had no intention of that. The writer's words trumps your interpretation. I think that Typho and Dorme were in a relationship or even Mon Mothma and General Madine. My evidence: my own interpretation of their interactions. E.K. herself said Padme isn't LGBTQI+, that's the evidence. Otherwise, we end up with the Luke Skywalker x Reye Hollis issue, again. - 12:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Did Johnston never comment on Padmé’s queer identity or did she explicitly say “Padmé is not LGBTQ+”? The above comment seems to suggest both. If the latter, could you please link your source? If the former, you are speculating by saying that E.K. Johnston “would’ve said so” if she intended for Padmé to be LGBTQ+. As a sapphic woman who has spent a lot of time fighting for queer representation, I can assure you that this is emphatically not the case. Recall that Disney-Lucasfilm is still a largely queerphobic company and its authors are not always able to openly express their intentions when it comes to which characters they intend to be queer. We cannot assume authors’ intentions about characters’ identities unless they explicitly say, “this character is not queer”. Even then, if there is solid textual evidence in-universe that a character is queer, that should probably take precedence over Tweets or interviews that are not part of the “official” Star Wars canon. (Though if you are curious, Johnston did say in an interview that she also reads Dormé and Typho as a couple, around the 24 minute mark.) Queen Amiadala (talk) 12:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- If E.K. Johnson intended for Padme to be LGBTQI+, she would've said so. But no, the writer herself had no intention of that. The writer's words trumps your interpretation. I think that Typho and Dorme were in a relationship or even Mon Mothma and General Madine. My evidence: my own interpretation of their interactions. E.K. herself said Padme isn't LGBTQI+, that's the evidence. Otherwise, we end up with the Luke Skywalker x Reye Hollis issue, again. - 12:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am providing concrete textual evidence of Padmé’s romantic attraction to another girl. I am confused by the intended meaning of the above comment: “you could say that about EVERY relationship in Star Wars”. I have detailed a very specific situation where the text specifies (not once, but twice) that Padmé becomes “jealous” over seeing her female friend/crush flirt with someone else. If you believe that Luke/Han and Han/Lando have similar textual evidence, then perhaps we should consider adding Han to the LGBTQ+ category (as Luke and Lando are already included). Queen Amiadala (talk) 12:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- You could say that about EVERY relationship in Star Wars. You could interpret the relationship between Han and Lando or Han and Luke as LGBTQI+. - 11:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- The term “jealous” is actually used twice in Queen’s Peril in relation to Padmé’s feelings for Sabé (see pages 143 and 148), so we can rest assured that she is not simply feeling loneliness or isolation. Neither is she “jealous that one friend chose the other friend over her”, as Harli is not a platonic friend to Sabé but is established repeatedly as a love interest. Therefore, the situation is as follows: Padmé watches Sabé flirt and dance with someone else and becomes jealous. I struggle to see how this could be interpreted as anything but romantic interest. Queen Amiadala (talk) 11:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- This is all total speculation. Couldn't she just have been jealous that one friend chose the other friend over her? Maybe it wasn't jealousy but lonliness or isolation she was feeling? Maybe this tag should be removed as speculation until a source explicitly states so? 124.180.213.62 09:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Editor, thanks for your response. I am happy to add references to Johnston's tweets in the BTS section of Padmé's page. There is only one I can think of that directly references Padmé and Sabé and would be relevant, though. It links an article about deep friendships but this does not necessarily preclude a romantic reading. Let me know if there are any other tweets you believe I should mention. Queen Amiadala (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only thing I'll jump in here and say is I think there was some accidental citation to Queen's Hope at one point instead of Peril, if that was the case that appears to have been fixed. Editoronthewiki (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I present these comments respectfully. At this point in time, with the evidence presented here and in the article itself, it appears clear that there cannot be a definitive conclusion either way. Either interpretation is fine and maybe that was the author's intent: to allow the reader to interpret it for themselves through the lens of how they view the world. Unfortunately, as an encyclopedia we have to present factual evidence. On a side note, there are many people who may be viewed as identifying as LGBTQ+ but choose not to identify as such or be identified as. Applying labels to people when they themselves do not identify as such is a slippery slope. Celestial oubliette (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your respectful response, I really appreciate it. I am completely in agreement that you should never label real people without their consent. However, Padmé is a fictional character. Furthermore, the Star Wars galaxy does not appear to use the same labels as we do on Earth, so we must assess characters’ identities by different means. According to the rules detailed under the “LGBTQ+ Individuals” category: “This category is for organic beings who had one or more of the following traits: their gender identity was not defined within a binary gender model, their gender identity did not align with their assigned gender at birth, they experienced attraction towards other beings of their own gender or multiple genders, and/or they did not experience attraction towards or have interest in reproduction with other beings.” In Padmé’s case, she shows attraction toward multiple genders, as evidenced by her romantic feelings for both Sabé and Anakin. Therefore, she belongs in the LGBTQ+ category. As you know, I have cited the concert scene from Queen’s Peril as evidence of Padmé’s attraction to Sabé. However, please feel free to explain to me how this scene might be interpreted through a heterosexual lens. In my own experience, becoming jealous when a friend flirts with someone else does typically signify romantic attraction to that friend. So far, no one has been able to clear up for me why this is not the case for Padmé. I am also happy to provide further textual evidence for Padmé’s romantic attraction to Sabé, if that helps. Just let me know. Queen Amiadala (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- This isn't about *our* experiences, so lets not make it personal and bias to how we want to things to be and look at what the sources say, thanks Lewisr (talk) 00:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, people can be platonically jealous over a close friend spending more time with a romantic partner than them. I don't know enough about the source material to judge adequately, but if all it was was Padme was jealous of Sabe spending more time with a romantic partner then there's not really justification for Padme having romantic feelings for Sabe. It could be, but it's not solid-as someone else in the LGBTQ community I'm speaking from personal experience when I say for some people it can be difficult to judge the line between a close friend and someone you're interested in beyond friendship, and I'm not entirely sure Wookieepedia is definitively able to make a judgement one way or the other in this case. Fan26 (Talk) 00:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- It does not have to be linked to romantic attraction. Another interpretation could also be that Padmé is questioning her jealousy due to someone else receiving more attention than her and then feeling guilty for seeking attention/validation for herself, particularly when their bond is described as sisterly. I think applying the category label is biased one way over the other and does not present a balanced view to the subject as it currently stands. Please note that no other information has been removed from the article to present facts as they currently are presented. Celestial oubliette (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- It should be mentioned that the original addition of the category as seen here was added despite the general consensus reached in the Project pride's channel in April, before the discussion was given a fair chance to conclude, and also ignored the opinions of several queer Wookieepedia editors who felt the novel was not clear enough to add the category. Though a view from a heterosexual lens was asked for above, other queer editors should be allowed their interpretation of source material to be weighed just as much as any others. There was a strong argument from both sides in the initial discussion, both sides of which should be held up to policy standards to see which follows the sourcing policy best. Lewisr (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, I did not assert that my comments were coming from a "heterosexual lens". It appears to have been assumed by other editors as I simply provided an opinion on the topic at hand in response to statements made here. Perhaps I need to include a disclaimer in future. Celestial oubliette (talk) 01:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- It should be mentioned that the original addition of the category as seen here was added despite the general consensus reached in the Project pride's channel in April, before the discussion was given a fair chance to conclude, and also ignored the opinions of several queer Wookieepedia editors who felt the novel was not clear enough to add the category. Though a view from a heterosexual lens was asked for above, other queer editors should be allowed their interpretation of source material to be weighed just as much as any others. There was a strong argument from both sides in the initial discussion, both sides of which should be held up to policy standards to see which follows the sourcing policy best. Lewisr (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your respectful response, I really appreciate it. I am completely in agreement that you should never label real people without their consent. However, Padmé is a fictional character. Furthermore, the Star Wars galaxy does not appear to use the same labels as we do on Earth, so we must assess characters’ identities by different means. According to the rules detailed under the “LGBTQ+ Individuals” category: “This category is for organic beings who had one or more of the following traits: their gender identity was not defined within a binary gender model, their gender identity did not align with their assigned gender at birth, they experienced attraction towards other beings of their own gender or multiple genders, and/or they did not experience attraction towards or have interest in reproduction with other beings.” In Padmé’s case, she shows attraction toward multiple genders, as evidenced by her romantic feelings for both Sabé and Anakin. Therefore, she belongs in the LGBTQ+ category. As you know, I have cited the concert scene from Queen’s Peril as evidence of Padmé’s attraction to Sabé. However, please feel free to explain to me how this scene might be interpreted through a heterosexual lens. In my own experience, becoming jealous when a friend flirts with someone else does typically signify romantic attraction to that friend. So far, no one has been able to clear up for me why this is not the case for Padmé. I am also happy to provide further textual evidence for Padmé’s romantic attraction to Sabé, if that helps. Just let me know. Queen Amiadala (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Here are the tweets in question from Mike Chen and EK. They were, sadly, written to be more sisterly than anything. It's a shame, they do make a great pairing and I love their dynamic. But authorial intent should not be disregarded. —SnowedLightning (they/them) 00:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thankyou, SnowedLightning for providing those quotes. I personally find "X" to currently be a navigational nightmare. Celestial oubliette (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. It can in fact be a nightmare, and I wouldn't subject anyone to having to dig through things. Luckily, all I had to do was ask Spooky for the tweets, which she gladly supplied. —SnowedLightning (they/them) 00:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well thankyou, both then! Celestial oubliette (talk) 01:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. It can in fact be a nightmare, and I wouldn't subject anyone to having to dig through things. Luckily, all I had to do was ask Spooky for the tweets, which she gladly supplied. —SnowedLightning (they/them) 00:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thankyou, SnowedLightning for providing those quotes. I personally find "X" to currently be a navigational nightmare. Celestial oubliette (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Just to note, I've removed the category per existing community consensus. The existing evidence from the authors indicate this was not the intention. While everyone is welcome to their own interpretations of the novels, Wook exists to document the factual evidence. Supreme Emperor Holocomm 05:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)