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Padme's body[]

  • I've read in two different articles (Obi-Wan Kenobi and Japor snippet) that Padme's body was cremated, but the statement was never sourced. Does anyone know where this statement comes from? If it's true, then it should probably be mentioned in Padme's own article as well as sourced in other articles. AngelQueen 21:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No one really knows what the Naboo did to Padme's body, but it is almost certain that she was either buried, cremated or cast out to sea (I mean, what else can they do with it?) But yeah, I think it might just be fanon. Check with someone who knows more about this stuff. Officially The Greatest Jedi In the Game 12:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In Naboo tradition the body must be cremated after 2 days of death then the ashes are cast out over a the Solleu River that runs through Theed. Since Padme loved Naboo and the people of Naboo her funeral was most likely kept within tradition, suggesting that she was cremated. Although many beleive she was buried at her lake retreat that would have been out of tradition. I personally belive that she was cremated keeping within Naboo traditions. The stament AngelQueen stated was probaly found in the Episode 1 complete picture thing lol anyway it says in there that all bodies where cremated after death then cast out over the river. that is probaly where its from. i hope this helped you!!!!!!!!!! --KreiaSkywalker19 23:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Remembered?[]

In episode 6, Leia tells Luke that she remembers her mother from a very young age, but in Episode 3 it is revealed that Padme dies shortly after child birth. Isn't it conflicting to suggest that Leia could remember her mother from the moment she was born?

-Alkaig

  • This issue was much discussed... read some of the sections here: [1] Nanook 21:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I have read that discussion and disagree with the conclusions. Leia says in her quote that she remembers her 'real' mother. If Bail Organa was trying to keep secret the fact that she was Anakin's offspring, Leia would never have been told that she was adopted only to raise more dangerous questions about her origins. There are indications that Bail's wife died before Leia reached maturity (one source provides that she was cared for by three of her aunts with her mother gone). Some say that the Force filled in the memory of when she was an infant, however, if she really remembered Padmé as her mother, why would she not recognize the portrait of Senator Amidala hanging in the Senate? Why, too, would Luke - countless times stronger in the Force than his sister at the time of his question to Leia - have no memory of his mother? I think the quote by Leia should instead be used for Breha Antilles Organa, for that is who she is referring to. BTW, Lucasfilms has hinted at that quote being expounded on during the release of the live-action TV series, suggesting that the death of Breha will be highlighted sometime in the series. Unsigned comment by Gethralkin (talk • contribs).
      • It happens all the time that a surrogate or adoptive mother dies and the father remarries without ever telling the child of their previous adoption. Breha is in the hole that Lucas has not yet filled with the live-action series, and there are already references that she died while Leia "was very young". Occam's razor: Leia thinks she remembers Breha as her real mother, and Luke specifies 'real' to differentiate from a subsequent wife of Bail. This is speculation, of course, but so is trying to fixate on Leia remembering Padme, which is far more complicated to explain. Add this to the fact that the Breha page alludes to Leia remembering Breha as her 'mother'. Gethralkin 13:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
        • This has been discussed and debated quite a bit, but no solid resolution has really come of it. Can I please have a direct reference from Lucasarts that Leia is thinking of Padmé when she said the quote at the top of the article? Additionally, the article itself describes that it isn't clear how Leia could be remembering Padmé as her real mother, and that attempts to make Padmé fit the memory are speculative. Besides, a quote of Leia only promotes that line of thought and doesn't actually link the two characters together. Plus, although the quote could possibly describe her emotional makeup, it does not sufficiently fully describe what kind of person Padmé really was. However, if the quote is truly referencing Padmé (can actually be sourced to Lucas), I will be glad to make sure that it is reflected on the quotes page, as well, so that it is solidly referenced. Due to the conflict, speculation, and controversy, however, I move that the opening quote be changed from the touchy subject of Leia's memories to one that better fits the type of person that Padmé was during her life, and that better describes the strong, dynamic person that she was. Gethralkin 16:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
          • Please refer to the canon policies of this site. Information does not need to explictly determined as originating from George Lucas to be considered authoritative. The official site's Q and A long ago established that the ROTJ quote refers to Luke and Leia's biological mother. QuentinGeorge 01:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
            • That's nice, still need the source. The only Lucasfilm source stating that Leia remembered Padmé that I found on StarWars.com later stated that it was not officially approved by Lucas. BTW, Lucas pretty much has the final word on what gets put in the canon, especially if it pertains to the main characters. As for what is considered a valid source by this site, I am fully aware of the list. Now, because the only source I can find is from a Lucas employee that responded to comments later saying that the theory that was laid out was speculative is what we need a valid linked source for. Gethralkin 04:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
              • The explanation that Leia was not likely remembering her biological mother was put forward by The Art of Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones by Marc Cotta Vaz (valid source). It explains how Leia replies that her memories are only vague and that her mother died when she was very young. That it is possible that Leia was not referring to her birth mother, Padmé Amidala, but to Queen Organa herself, as Padmé died in childbirth, as seen in Revenge of the Sith. Since Luke stressed in Return of the Jedi that he was asking about Leia's real mother, it would mean either that Leia's early remembrances were of Queen Organa and that the Queen died long before the destruction of Alderaan, or that the memory is simply false (I personally do not believe that the memory was false...just of Breha instead of Padmé). On top of the reference just mentioned, IF Leia was to have remembered (via "Force memories") her biological mother, why not Luke? And why only remember sadness, instead of the vibrancy she displayed, and faith she had in others? Padmé's sadness was only at the end of her life. "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past...old friends long gone." The Force, if it was instrumental to Leia having memories of her mother, would have helped her to see how strong a woman she was, and how full of hope Amidala was. Jacen and Jaina Solo have been mentioned before as examples, but they serve to show that, if children in the womb have that connection with the Force, then it isn't going to be manifest only at their birth. Luke and Leia both would have had several months of experiences through the Force if that was the kind of connection they had. Gethralkin 05:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
                • Another point to consider is that Leia said that her mother died when she was 'still very young', and did not say that she died when she 'was born'. Another point to consider is that Padmé was well represented visually in the Senate. Leia would have known who she was if she remembered her and then was shown a picture or holo of the woman. However, Leia demonstrates no such recognition which she obviously would have passed on to Luke. Yet, it was Alema Rar who disclosed to Luke the identity of their biological mother many years later. If no one has any sourced proof that Leia is undoubtedly referring to Padmé when talking of her memories, then in accordance with Wikia's "Neutral Point of View" policy, I will remove the quote (which only serves to promote one side of this debate), and replace it with one that directly and undoubtedly refers to Padmé. Gethralkin 20:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
                  • First, Leia does not use the word "still". She said, "She died when I was very young." Secondly, why is this being argued? I'm certain, in interviews, Lucas has stated that Leia was talking about Padmé. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 20:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Let's end this. Now. It is accepted by most fans that she is referring to Padme. Please accept that, or at least stop pressing the issue here. There are several sources that say Leia was talking about Padme, not Breha. Chack Jadson (Talk) 20:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • The problem, Chack, with all of this is that both this article and the Breha article state (with the Breha article citing sources) that Leia remembered that character as her mother. Now, one of them is wrong, and I need sources to fix the one in error. Sources that say Leia was talking about Padmé may very well exist and be valid, however, no one has yet produced them to my knowledge. JMAS, you are correct, and I was mistaken. Hadn't had time to go through the film lately, but after rechecking, there is no "still" in the line read by Carrie Fisher. It was a misquote that I picked up from another post commenting on her memories and I have removed it from my argument because of its irrelevance. As for interviews, I would love to have a quote from them. It has been stated that most fans agree that Leia is remembering Padmé as her mother in RotJ. However, seeing as there are no verifiable sources that have yet been provided, the quote given at the top of the Padmé article really should be removed and a comment for Bts for both the Padme and Breha articles should mention both theories. As for those who feel strongly against removing the quote, be reminded please of the policy of this site:
"Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material...The threshold for inclusion in Wookieepedia is whether material can be reliably attributed, not whether any individual editor holds it to be true. In particular, material that an editor believes to be true but that cannot be attributed to a reliable source should not be included in Wookieepedia." (emphasis mine)
If there is a source for the quote stating that it is indeed referring to Padmé, please list it here in this talk thread to refute the removal. I will wait a month before replacing it with another quote that represents Amidala's character and personality. However, if and when before that time someone produces a reliable source that can be inserted into the article stating that Leia was indeed talking of Amidala, I will change what information members have added to the contrary in the Breha article. Gethralkin 07:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Leia is force sensitive. All things considered, I'd call that explanation enough. Unsigned comment by 86.20.145.248 (talk • contribs).
  • I have no source to quote, but considering the conversation between Luke and Leia in ROTJ, the surprise Leia registers when Luke refers to her as his sister could be due to the idea that her "real" mother was not actually Queen Organa, but some other person who would have given birth to twins. The fact that she always "knew" that Luke was her brother also leads me to believe that her shock is not from discovering a sibling, but from discovering that the real mother to whom she just referred was not who she thought she was. The reason "most" fans accept that Leia is referring to Padme in ROTJ is because the quote would instantly come to mind when viewing Padme as it is the only reference to a mother in the original trilogy. Thinking the matter through after the events of ROTS allows one to realize that there was no way that Leia alone could have remembered her real mother while Luke did not. I would sooner believe that Leia created the memory than believe that only she had any memories of her mother.Kaitco 23:52, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • At the time that movie was filmed, Lucas meant the quote to be about Padme. Now there are many controversies saying that Leia couldn't possibly remember Padme because she died seconds after Leia's birth. As for the question about why Luke couldn't remember her and Leia could (considering the sources given to support Padme being the subject of the quote...the ROTS book clearly states that Luke's "eyes were squeezed tightly against the light..." Leia, however... "Unlike her brother, this baby's eyes were wide, and she stared in Padme's direction as if she wanted to see and memorize her face." I'm guessing this was put in so that the quote by Leia in ROTJ could be supported by Leia's attempt to memorize Padme's face moments after birth. 202.124.74.188 11:30, February 20, 2011 (UTC)Emiigurl202.124.74.188 11:30, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

2.2 Updated with new information on her death[]

i read in the preview for coruscant nights 2 that her autopsy report gave a better explination on how she died than"losing the will to live" the information can be found on page 350 of jedi twilight.(Verlok 03:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

It says in her article she died from Anakin's force choke. It crushed her throat, though you couldn't see that. Personaly, I like the idea that she lost her will to live. LeiaOrganicSolo 01:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Nice, like the new info. I like the better explaination of her death. Now Vader really DID kill her, and it wasn't just her losing to herself. JediNTT307 01:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Anakin's choke caused her death. She could have fought dying, and pleaded for medical aid, but chose not to. In her mind, she chose to go "gracefully", or in peace. She also probably found it difficult to want to live an existence without her beloved husband there to help raise their children. She knew she couldn't avoid death, and was likely comforted by the knowledge that Bail, Obi-Wan, and Yoda would be able to protect her children. 66.212.64.252 21:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Skywalker[]

Why isn't her last name officially that of "Skywalker" after her marriage to Anakin Skywalker in Episode II? Shouldn't her legal full name be Padme Amidala Skywalker? Maybe we should change the name on the article? korydvandyke 08:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

  • It was a secret marriage, so she didn't take his name. -LtNOWIS 13:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Granted, although I don't know how they do things religiously/legally in the Star Wars Universe, but they're marriage was before a minister and with two witnesses (R2-D2 and C-3PO). In our world that qualifies as a legal sanctified marriage, and shouldn't that be the same in their world, even if it was in secret? Sure, she wouldn't present herself as a Skywalker, but isn't she legally a Skywalker? korydvandyke 16:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Even if we did apply real-world policies to the Star Wars universe (which we don't), that still doesn't hold water. I personally know more than one couple who are legally married, not even in secret, and she legally does not have her husbands name. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

probley not because maybe after one of the eposides aniken almost killed her. after going to the dark side. (Queen amidala 13:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC))

Padme does not publicly take his name to keep Anakin in the jedi order. the scroll that contaniens there names says that she is a Skywalker. Padme does officaly have the last name Skywalker but she does not publicly go by Skywalker instead by Amidala --"All mentors have a way of seeing more of our faults than we would like. It's the only way we grow." 02:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC) Unsigned comment by KreiaSkywalker19 (talk • contribs).

Arena Picture[]

Don't we have a good picture of Padmé from the Geonosis Arena for the article? I think we should have one on there. JediNTT307 01:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to get one tomorrow or the next day. If someone beats me to it, please post here so I know. ZEM talk to me! 03:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Done. I put the best one I could get. ZEM talk to me! 18:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • That's good. Thanks. JediNTT307 22:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Force[]

Is Padme Force Sensitive? KingDonfin You Seem familiar have I threatened you before!!! 03:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No. Except for the Episode III novelization indicates that she could sense the Force through the Skywalker twins, during her pregnancy, or something like that... ZEM talk to me! 03:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

She could feel their power since they were inside her. And she felt there reaction to Palpatine. WILDEYE N-25 01:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The novel of AOTC suggested that she was force-sensitive, but I read that that was a deleted scene or something.Artoo-Droid--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 05:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I read the AOTC novel also and it was something Yoda said, to the effect of: "Strong the Force is with you Senator Amidala." Paraphrased that is though. ZEM talk to me! 13:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

She might be strong in the force but that doesn't mean she is force sensative enough to actaully do anything about it. And, i was thinking, could another explanation for the "Ruminations" scene in ROTS (where Padmé and Anakin look out to each other and can feel eachothers feelings) Could Anakin & Padmé have created a force bond? JediNTT307 01:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure if Padme is force-sensitive or not. I haven't been able to find any official sources confirming or dismissing it. I think in the AOTC novel, Yoda had said "Force sensitive, your are, Senator." But, even if I remember it right, the books aren't really a reliable source for that kind of info. It could have been something that GL had changed his mind on when the movie came out.

As for that scene in ROTJ, yes, I think it's very possible that she and Anakin had created a force-bond. If she isn't force-sensitive, and if Wildeye's explanation is correct, she probably felt Anakin's emotions through the twins she was carrying. Artoo-Droid--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 15:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

    • Actually, I don't think Padme is Force-sensitive but somehow she and Anakin did create a Force-bond. The ROTS junior novel makes several references to their bond in the Force, and that is how Padme could sense the good left in Anakin. ZEM talk to me! 04:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

she had a force but in my school people say that no women or girls have the force and pademe does. (Queen amidala 13:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)) talk to me!

Uh...BobaFett1 Bounties collected Jaster's Feather 23:43, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Padme doesn't have the Force, but many girl and women do. Whoever said they couldn't be Force Sensitive was wrong.66.103.119.237 02:23, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Youngest Queen[]

This confuses me in AOTC Padme said she was not the Youngest Queen ever Elected but Apailana was the youngest at 12. yet she hadnt taken office yet. who was the yougest queen and who was Padme talking about when she said she wasnt the youngest queen HELP!!!!!!!!!!! --KreiaSkywalker19 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

  • That monarch has never been identified in canon. - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird (talk) 23:05, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

OK! i'm totally confused, is this Queen Amidala from Phantom Menace(I think that's where Queen Amidala made her first apperance)?--Princess Leia Organa Skywalker Solo 21:27, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it, my MOTHER had it, and... my sister has it." Unsigned comment by 72.95.159.187 (talk • contribs).

  • This quote is incorrect. It should be, "The Force is strong in my family. My father has it, I have it, and... my sister has it." Aside from that, I am not sure what it even has to do with Padme being the youngest queen. Kaitco 01:55, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Portrait in Palace when?[]

This article currently states that the portrait of Amidala is in the Imperial Palace in 4 ABY, before the Emperor is defeated and while Luke and Leia are discussing their mother in Return of the Jedi. Considering its first appearance is during the Thrawn Crisis, what source suggests it was displayed there for all of that time? -Kev-La Ttolya 02:55, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Family[]

Did Padme's family know of her marriage and her baby? If they did shouldn't we include it in this article?--"All mentors have a way of seeing more of our faults than we would like. It's the only way we grow." 19:32, December 27, 2009 (UTC) Unsigned comment by KreiaSkywalker19 (talk • contribs).

Padmé's close family, inculding her sister, mother and father, knew of the Skywalker-Naberrie marriage, but not the whole Naberrie family. Padménaberrie (talk) 18:34, July 4, 2013 (UTC)Padménaberrie

Made to look pregnant?[]

"The japor snippet that Skywalker had given to her in 32 BBY rested in her hands and Amidala was made to look heavily pregnant so that both of the children to whom she gave birth were believed to have died with her and could be hidden from the Emperor and Vader" A woman's body appears pregnant right after birth. In can in fact take several weeks for her body to return to pre-pregnancy looks. I don't know how death works into the equation but shouldn't she still appear pregnant, despite giving birth? -Unsigned comment by 96.49.105.107 (talk • contribs).

  • Good point. That last part is now gone. I'm fairly sure that it was speculation, and it certainly wasn't in the cited source. -LtNOWIS
I think it was in the novelization of Revenge of the Sith.BobaFett1 Bounties collected Jaster's Feather 23:39, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

the Words[]

Pretty good article, overall. You might want to look up the difference between the words "stylish" and "stylistic". 208.118.193.46 23:28, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Decoy Queen[]

"I was not elected to watch my people suffer and die while you discuss this invasion in a committee!"
―Queen Amidala, to the Galactic Senate — (audio) Listen (file info)[src]
Queenamidala

Queen Amidala during the Trade Federation crisis.

The Image and the Quote, are they not of Queen Amidala's decoy, Sabé, portrayed by Keira Knightley, you can here the difference in the voice from the quote from her address to the senate. Should they really be labelled as Padmé Amidala? Alexsau1991 (Talk page) SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit 21:26, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

  • No, both the image and the quote are actually Padme as portrayed by Natalie Portman. If you watch the film again, you will notice that Sabe is rarely on screen alone when she is dressed as the queen. In every scene where Sabe is dressed as the queen, you will notice Padme on the side or in the front of all the other handmaidens. In the quote, Padme is addressing the whole of the Senate and there is no way that that could be left to the decoy. She is also in no real danger at that point, so there is no reason for her to not be herself. In the image, this is one of the first views of the queen and it would make little sense to have a decoy at this point, especially since, again, the queen was in no danger at that point. Kaitco 03:00, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reunited[]

I have read that apparently Anakin and Padme are reunited in the Netherworld of the Force when he dies, but cannot find this anywhere. Does anybody know the answer to this? It seems pretty bad for George Lucas to put such emphasis on there relationship in the prequels and have Anakin so devistated after her death and than have them apart forever.Sith1 12:08, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I like to think that they were.--Hulk10 (talk) 01:55, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Why??[]

Why on earth is Padme's infobox Imperial?? That makes her seem bad...

--Lamp774 20:47, January 28, 2012 (UTC)Lamp774

Issue with opening quote[]

The opening quote doesn't refer to Padme. Leia didn't know at the time that her adoptive mother was not her real one, and she was talking about Breha Organa. Even if she had known, it's impossible for her to have memories of Padme since Padme died in childbirth. Even if she could have had memories, they would have been of pain, not ordinary times. Could someone please remove the quote or explain how it does refer to Padme after all? 95.149.95.86 15:56, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

  • If I recall correctly though, no source ever said she was referring to Breha. Supreme Emperor (talk) 13:40, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Name[]

Where does her name come from?Unsigned comment by 173.48.172.61 (talk • contribs).

It came from the Imagination of a man called George Lucas. Unsigned comment by 209.213.29.14 (talk • contribs).

Senator[]

Will it be better to refer to her as Senator of Naboo instead of the Chommell sector since more sources seem to refer to her as the senator of her homeworld, while only one source on the old Databank (indirectly) stated the Chommell sector. Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 05:21, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

  • She's the Senator of the Chommell sector. There's no reason to say otherwise or try to warp canon. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 05:27, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
    • But it's an older source that states this, and more newer sources, like the Encylclopedia entry, just say Naboo. Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 05:32, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
      • And they don't say that she's not the Senator of the Chommell sector. Also, Darth Plagueis calls Palpatine the Chommell sector's Senator. Cade GalacticRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 05:33, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
        • Ok, then in the article I'll just add that she also represented Naboo, since I believe senators can represent both a world and a sector. Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 05:40, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
          • No. The planet doesn't differentiate from the sector. Naboo's the sector capital, so she's referred to as the Senator of Naboo in the same way she's the Senator of the Chommell sector.
            • Wait, what source refers Naboo as the sector capital? Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 05:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
              • And how is the term "senator" should be capitalized? Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.--Darth Pythonis CIS roundel (Talk) 05:47, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

3.3 Factual correction[]


Princess[]

In one of the pictures in this article she is referred to as “a young Princess Amidala” - but she was elected Queen, it was never her birthright, so she was surely never a princess? 92.14.208.183 08:33, November 22, 2018 (UTC)AngusL92.14.208.183 08:33, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

  • You are correct, she was not born a princess, but she was elected one, as explained in the paragraph below where that picture appears. Asithol (talk) 21:43, January 20, 2020 (UTC)
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