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Fanboy Entry? Edit

For some reason the entire talk page has been purged and left with only a poorly written theory on Plo Koon's survival. Have there been other articles with talk pages being 'refreshed' like this? Could someone find a way to recover the whole thing? I really don't know how to revert such a major edit.Steelsapien 10:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

  • The talk page hasn't been purged, merely archived. There's a link to the preserved discussion in the talkheader above. - Cavalier OneFarStar.svg(Squadron channel) 10:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know we could archive talk pages. Steelsapien 13:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
      • I've archived the talk page and removed the previous pointless post. Talk pages are not forums for general discussion or questions. They are for topics relating to changes made to the article itself. Please adhere to the Talkheader template when feeling the urge to post on a talk page. Toprawa and Ralltiir 14:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Shakedown Edit

Plo Koon appears in The Clone Wars: Shakedown, the web comic leading into Rising Malevolence! Etan O'Hara 19:19, 15 December 2008

Plo Koon and Darth Maul Edit

I want to know where the information was found about Darth Maul commenting about Plo Koon's Lightsaber skills. When did they ever have a chance to meet? Swampboy822 14:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Swampboy822

Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. They didn't meet; Maul muses he wished he could fight a 'true lightsaber master' like Mace Windu or Plo Koon Jedi Xian 15:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Baran Do membership? Edit

The list of affiliations on this page includes that Plo Koon was a member of the Baran Do member. Could someone please clarify any details on this as I don't own the novel? Or would that be a breach of any copyright laws? Thanks! Steelsapien 12:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

  • In the novel, Luke Skywalker and son Ben travel to the Baran Do temple on Dorin, and it is mentioned that Plo Koon once studied there. -Guest

Legacy Edit

Would it be worth mentioning Kazdan Paratus made him out of scrap on Raxus Prime and that it was the first too attack Galen Marack? Garadex 10:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Maskless picEdit

  • Is that picture of plo koon without his mask canon now?Garadex using the force since 19bby 18:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
    • If you are referring to the image from the comics, the answer is no. It's never been confirmed as canon, and I feel it should be indicated as such. -Guest
      • It's from a canon source, so it's canon. - Lord Hydronium 07:07, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
        • The "behind-the-mask" appearance of Koon and the Kel Dor were intentionally left ambiguous, so says the characters' creators. I tend to trust in the original designers, rather than subsequent artist interpretations. The appearance of Koon in that particular picture has been repeatedly questioned, and never confirmed as canon. Unsigned comment by 216.160.131.245 (talk • contribs).
          • Wrong. Star Wars Purge: Seconds to Die features the image of unmasked Koon and he looks exactly like in this image. 17:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
            • Nick Dudman, the man who created Plo Koon and the Kel Dor species, disagrees with you. He maintains that the Kel Dor's appearance was never meant to be revealed, and that the image in question is not an accurate portrayal. Unsigned comment by 216.160.131.245 (talk • contribs).
          • Whatever was meant to be is now irrelevant. Published in a licensed source = Canon. Revealed in an interview with an author = Interesting background info, no more. End of story. MauserComlink 16:03, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
        • Sorry, not end of story. It's not "whatever was meant to be," it's what IS meant to be. I thought it was a general rule of this site: the canon of the visual medium always takes priority over the canon of the printed medium. Dudman is the creator of the Kel Dor, and his involvement is directly with the films (visual medium). If he denies the canon of the comic image, then there's really little that can be argued. That said, in regards to the film canon, there is no known presentation of an unmasked Kel Dor. Besides that fact, I'm sure you don't believe that everything printed, even from licensed sources, can be considered canon. Like most all comic books, those of the Star Wars franchise present many differences between not only the film canon, but also the canon of other comic books from the same title. It can't all be 100% truth. Unsigned comment by 216.160.131.245 (talk • contribs).
      • I agree with you. If the film canon takes priority, there's no way the comic portrayals are accurate. Look at the two pictures right in the main article... the facial features don't even match! The maskless picture shows four clawed tendrils protruding from Koon's lower jaw/neck area which are distinctly absent in the film photos. Also from the films, the tube-like appendages that connect from the sides of his head into the breath mask... missing from the comic image! Finally, it's a fact that Koon could speak Galactic Basic, which is kind of hard if he doesn't have any lips or a mouth like in the comic image! - JediMasterPloKoon 19:56, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
        • Nick Dudman is not a source of canon just because he designed Plo Koon. The fact of the matter is that Koon has been canonically depicted without his mask - not once, but twice. If you can't deal with this, go find some forum on which you can complain about it. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:17, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
          • Yes, he is. Official explanation: there is no known image of the Koon or his species unmasked in the film canon. If Dudman chose to release an unmasked image of a Kel Dor, or if it were portrayed in the visual medium, then we'd have an accurate depiction. Until that happens, Wookiepedia remains innaccurate. I'm actually really surprised; for a site that prides itself on it's veracity, there is A LOT of disregard for the integrity of the story, it's characters, and their creators. -Guest Unsigned comment by 216.160.131.245 (talk • contribs).
        • By the "anything published is canon" logic, Boba Fett unmasked resembles a human/feline hybrid with fur, pointed ears, and fanged teeth. I think we'd all agree, that's exceptionally accurate *sarcasm*. JediMasterPloKoon 17:58, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
          • I must say this discussion really amuses me. Just so you know: we do not follow the movie-only canon or G-canon (April 1st Joke aside), we follow the Expanded Universe canon. That means that we treat anything published in a licensed source as canon unless a licensed source (the one in question or another one) declares either an entire source or just some information from it non-canonical. This means that quite often the canonical version of something differs from how its original creator intended it to be. We do not decide what's canon and what's not, we do not interprete it the way we like, we do not twist it to make sense (as canon often doesn't). We simply take the info from various official source and compile it together to write comprehensive articles about various subjects, that's what we do. Regarding the image of Koon: this picture, though from the official site Databank, is only a behind-the-scenes photo of a model and does not necessarily represent the final version. But this image is from an official licensed comic, that was released just two months ago. That is canon, we work with it. I hope that you don't take it as a personal offense and will simply understand that your opinion about how Star Wars canon works is simply not correct, that's all. MauserComlink 18:12, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
        • I'm glad you find your blatant disregard for the facts so amuzing. It's clear that Wookiepedia makes no headway when it comes to conflicting data, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. No official Star Wars data source supports your claims (the maskless image in question does not appear in any data book or in Koon's profile on the official website, even under the "expended universe" section that you claim to support), and the explaination from LucasArts is that the visage of the Kel Dor is ambiguous. It's wrong of you to deliberately misinform the users of your site, but that doesn't seem to matter much. Unsigned comment by 216.160.131.245 (talk • contribs).
      • Sorry, I can't take you seriously with all the spelling errors and refusal to sign your post. (By using four tildes [~]) Zakor1138 19:46, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
        • The maskless image that is currently in BTS on the article was from the Behind the scenes section of the Databank, it just is no longer there now. You say that you know some person from Lucasarts who told you that Kel Dor appearance was left ambiguous for the movies. That is fine and might be even worth mentioning in the BTS of our article, however the appearance of unmasked Kel Dor was also established by a canonical, licensed comic. In that case the newer source trumps the older one, simple as that. What happened to Luke, Han and Leia after Endor was originally left ambiguous too, but later multiple books and comics have elaborated on that. Does that mean we shouldn't include the official info simply because it was intended to be left untold? MauserComlink 20:01, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
      • Wow. I don't really wish to dredge up an old argument, but there are a couple points that should be clarified here. The only canon that LucasFilms considers 100% is that of the films/television shows. This effectively means that everything in the expanded universe is not part of the primary canon. It also means that, if at any point information is presented in the film/show canon that conflicts with the expanded universe, the film canon takes priority in terms of what's "official." Wookieepedia, for the most part, disregards this rule (though long ago it did make the distinction), and that is why when such conflicts occur, Wookieepedia's articles can get really messed up. In regards to Koon's "maskless" pic, Mauser's argument that "the newer source trumps the older one" doesn't really work - the latest source in the mythology is The Clone Wars, and Koon's depiction in the show is physiologically identical to his film counterpart, thereby making it in conflict with the "maskless" pic. To the unsigned user's point, Koon's face was/is indeed left ambiguous, as it supposedly adds to the character's mystique. Yes, there have been those who've taken their artistic liberties and portrayed his face; and while it might be inaccurate or conflicted by future depictions, Wookieepedia will treat it as canon (by their definition) for the time being. Yoruichi's Paramour 18:40, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

breathing in space? Edit

Under "Powers", it is stated that Plo Koon can breath in space without equipment: "Koon also had the ability to breathe and survive in space for a short period of time owing to his thick Kel Dor hide."

That sounds like a contradiction -- there is nothing to breath in space. The challenge would be to survive explosive decompression.

I'd simply make the edit of deleting the verb "breath", but it could be that an author not that well educated in science slipped this phrase into a canonical work. --Rstinejr 01:26, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Your correct he could survive the vacuum of space due to his hid he could breath because all kel dor's need a masked filled with helium to breath of there home planet so Koon simply breathed using that GTQ(Problems?) 01:37, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

@GTQ -- but saying Plo Koon could breath in space if he had a mask should not be listed under special powers. Heck, even I could breath in space if I were wearing the right gear. And not needing oxygen is not a special power, since oxygen was poisonous to Plo Koon. 173.73.114.96 11:52, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Plo Koon's age? Edit

Does anyone have information on the age of Plo Koon, even if its in Kel Dor years. I remember it back from one of the comics he was about 300 or something. Shannon, Jedi Knight 15:05, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Telepathy Edit

Shouldn't we mention Plo Koon's powerful telepathy? He could use it over large distances, for example, when he reads Stark's mind in the Stark Hyperspace War. 82.32.105.111 18:27, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Circumstances surrounding death Edit

Are there any specific sources regarding the circumstances surrounding Plo Koon's death? I noticed that the 3rd paragraph at the top of the article (summarizing his demise) states that "His fighter crashed into a clone assembly area, killing 141 clone troopers of the 7th Sky Corps," however, there is no reference listed to support this. Also, is there any official, detailed source that confirms he was killed by the fire in the cockpit? The only citation provided in the "End of the war" section is the film itself, which I assume means that this conclusion was the result of original research. If I recall correctly, there was a brief surge of flames in the cockpit that engulfs him, but quickly recedes just before the scene cuts to his fighter crashing. There was nothing in the film to suggest that the flames killed him, and it's far more likely that he was killed on impact. If there are official resources to support what's currently stated, I think that the article should be updated to include them, and if not, the descriptions should be altered/removed. Yoruichi's Paramour 18:12, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

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