Talk:Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire
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- Forum:CT Archive/Imperial insignia page. —Silly Dan (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Legacy Empire
Shouldn't there be expansion on the design and layout of the Legacy Era Empire's Insignia? -- Riffsyphon1024 12:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Definately! But this begs the question of how much we should amalgamate the rank and uniform pages.... --McEwok 17:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Admiral Kazz
I'd like to see this article explain why Admiral Kazz insisted on wearing his insignia upside-down. Or at least make a note of it. —Silly Dan (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it matches one image of Tavira... let me think about this? --McEwok 23:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The "Artoo's files" section
- If no-one objects, I'm going to restore the pargraph that was removed: I think the distinction between movie evidence and Expanded Universe needs to be made somehow in the discussion, but I do also think that the movies can be discussed as "in-universe" material:
- We see prequel scenes preserved as holos by Artoo in the Dark Nest Trilogy.
- The reference to "the cache of files presented by R2-D2 to the Whills in around 104 ABY" is based on a behind-the-scenes comment by George Lucas.
- The Ep.IV opening crawl was written by Voren Na'al in Galaxy Guide 1: A New Hope. He was suggesting that a narrative version of the story of Luke and the Death Star could be made.
- Perhaps we could rephrase it less contentiously, though: "It is generally agreed that the most reliable and accurate body of evidnce for events in the Imperial period consists of surviving visual footage, but while this offers useful examples of rank insignia, it contains no explicit guide to the overall structure of the system, and it is not by any means clear that one system is being consistently used in all the footage."
- Anyone...? --McEwok 23:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think the above statement is very reasonable and should be put in the article. 64.235.77.3 19:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Imperial Rank Colors and Battle Droids
After seeing the prequels, I have a theory as to what the Imperial rank colors mean. In Episode I, the battle droids with red markings are security, the blue markings signify a pilot, and the yellow markings are for commanders. I wonder if the Imperial colors mean something similar? --KievanMereel 21:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bast's rank
The new Death Star novel finally confirms Bast is a general, lower-ranking than Tagge but higher-ranking than Motti.JustinGann 10:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Bast was actually a Chief--a non-comissioned officer having gold squares with two red as distinguished from Tarkin's yellow. Another lower adjunct wore 6 gold as did Captain Khurgee; all were petty officers.
Of course, it's arbitrary to discuss this, since the first "ranking system" was never codified, and has devolved through the movies; rank plaques bear no meaning as to the officer's rank--it's completely whatever the costume designer wanted for the films. —Unsigned comment by 99.147.177.21 (talk • contribs).
[edit] 2.2 Updated with new information
Addenda
In reference to the confusion between commander and captain ranks in verbal use as well as to the problem of obvious Admirals, Moffs etc. wearing captain/commander rank during the battle of Endor:
In historical navies around the world, and even in some modern ones, it is an unwritten rule that there is only ever one "Captain" aboard a ship. Any other officers holding that rank who were traveling on that same ship were promoted or demoted (according to seniority) when refered to verbally so as to avoid confusion as well as to denote respect for the actual commander of the ship. The easiest solution, it appears to me, is that the Imperial navy has one rank (denoted by six squares stacked two high) which, if denoting the commander of a vessel is referred to as "Captain" while when referring to an officer aboard the vessel who is not its commander as "Commander."
Also, throughout history, many very high ranking officers chose to wear their field-grade rank instead of their flag rank when actually commanding troops. Lieutenant General Lee, commander of all Confederacy forces in the Civil War usually wore a Colonel's rank insignia--the highest rank he had actually earned in the United States Military. General Grant also aparrently disliked wearing his proper insignia. When he accepted General Lee's surrender, he was wearing a Private's blouse with his insignia hastily sewn on--a marked contrast to Lee himself who had (in a rare display of finery) put on his full-dress General's uniform. Admiral Piett could have been wearing his Captain's insignia for this reason. Another, more likely, reason is that there were four (possibly more) Grand Admirals present at the battle of Endor. Since a Grand Admiral superseeded all other officers, an was known for his tactical proficiency, it is highly likely that one or all of these men were the titular commander of the Endor Fleet. In this case, it is likely that Piett would have been the actual field commander but he would not have been the actual commander of the flet and, once again citing the proper deference to the titular commander (similar to the one-captain-on-the-ship situation) it would have been improper to refer to Piett as Admiral if another was officially in command. It is traditional also for a commanding admiral to retain titular command of the flagship of the fleet, therefor, it would have been appropriate, in the presence of a higher-ranking admiral, for Piett to have officially served as Captain of the Executor, rather than as Admiral of the Fleet.
Thank-you
Very Respectfully, etc. etc.
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US Military —Unsigned comment by 129.29.227.2 (talk • contribs).
- I feel that the last post (or parts of it) should be in the behind the scenes (ROTJ blooper section), as it seems to shed light on possible explanations for rank insignia in the film. —Unsigned comment by 64.235.77.3 (talk • contribs).
