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Reborn twinsEdit

What's the source for the names of the Reborn Twins, Vil and Dasariah Kathos? I don't remember them being mentioned by name.--SM-716 20:20, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • Good question KEJ 21:37, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • According to their page, the voice credits. - Lord Hydronium 21:36, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • Yup, that's correct. I wonder if they were meant to have a more central role in the storyline of the game. KEJ 10:12, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • They had voice credits? Weird... I don't even remember either of them ever talking. I second that thought, KEJ-- I wonder if they were originally supposed to be more prominent characters in the game? Maybe they had lots of dialogue and backstory in a level that was omitted from the final game due to deadlines or something. SM-716 18:40, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • No, they don't have any dialogue, but they do have lines like "Ugh", "Uff", and "Arrgh!" whenever they're hit by your lightsaber, and I seem to remember that they also have some in-game taunts. Whether that's enough for voice credits I don't know, but I am still wondering if they were intended to have a more central role. KEJ 22:28, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • No, they had parts. One of them stated before Jaden vs. Rosh and the Brothers:

"Enough talk! Rosh, despose of this puny Jedi so we can complete our task!"

They also make some in-game taunts such as:

"We are unbeatable!"

"I am unstoppable!"

Also, after you kill the first one, the other one tells you:

"You'll pay for that, Jedi!" 168.103.70.82 07:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Inverse ninja lawEdit

I love the inverse ninja law reference. Love it. (Ulicus 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC))

  • Yeah, but I think there are cases where the INL is violated. For instance, the Reborn don't get weaker as their numbers increase - they actually get more powerful as the game progresses... but of course, the player gets more powerful as well, so maybe that evens out things. KEJ 22:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Masters?Edit

There were no grey-colored "Masters" in JKII.

  • It refers to Shadowtroopers. In fact, the ranking system seems incorrect to me. "Reborn Boss" doesn't sound much like a formal rank, like General, Colonal, Captain, ect. Shadowtroopers, whether regarded as Reborn or not, in my opinion, should be separate. They were more of an elite division of Stormtrooper to me... 168.103.70.82 07:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • In fact, I don't even think that the section for 'Force User' is accurate. From memory of fighting them, they rarely used many force powers, and relied heavily on lightsaber combat. They were also the only Reborn below 'Bosses' to have more than one style (They mostly use Medium, but they also use Fast in little tidbits from time to time). I think this needs some cleanup... 168.103.70.82 07:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • You know what? I just went ahead and changed it. Tired of looking at it. 168.103.70.82 22:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Opening quoteEdit

Here are a few quotes about the Reborn, from Jedi Outcast. Do we want any of them for the opening? -BaronGrackle 12:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"But that's impossible, isn't it? You can't just give people the Force with a machine, right?"
Jan Ors
"I sense a disturbance in the Force, but... there's something strange about it."
Kyle Katarn
"Strange. He looked like a Jedi and fought like a Jedi, but his power felt so warped."
Kyle Katarn
  • I chose and paste the 3rd one in the article for the time being. Darth Kevinmhk 14:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

OrganizationEdit

Is it really accurate to say that Reborn were less organized under Tavion? From my point of view, they seemed more organized then Desann's Reborn. Desann's Reborn were killed off very easily in JKII, even though there was sometimes 3, 4, or even 5 facing two Jedi at a time. In JK: JA, I noticed (usually 'cause I've never really mastered dealing with Reborn) after repeatedly dieing that a normal, red-clothed Reborn weilding a single-bladed lightsaber normally dominated a single-bladed Jedi (and an exception was actually pretty rare), and even a Double-Bladed Jedi. Those Sith Cultists that don't have sabers and rely on force powers usually worked pretty well with their Saber Counterparts. An example is when a Saber Cultist will normally Saber Throw you while you're being choked by a Force Cultist. And I remember repeated instances on Taspir III when I meet what I've dubbed 'Reborn Brother Pairs' consisting of a Double-Bladed and Daul-Saber Reborn. The Double will Force Drain me while the Dual will get in perfect position (or happen to be in perfect position) and use the lightsaber manipulation technique (or the Dual Kata, whichever) to kill me without harming his partner. This has happened to me at least three times (probably more). Clearly, they're more organized... 168.103.70.82 07:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Perhaps they're more organized in terms of combat and stuff, but they're less organized in terms of "militarstic ranks" and stuff. This also makes sense, since Desann's Reborn were more of a military organization, whereas Tavion's New Reborn are an organization within a cultist quasi-religious organization. But I agree that in terms of combat and coordination/teamwork, the New Reborn are quite organized. That's how I see the difference anyways. Of course, this probably has to do with computer gaming development from JO to JA, but I'd be interested to see what how a digetic retcon would deal with this. KEJ 10:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Desann still worked close with the Imperial, that's why his subordinates were better organized. Darth Kevinmhk 14:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Reborn POWs Edit

What happend to the reborn who were captured during the battle of the Praxeum(such a as the one, who is seen handcuffed in outro of JO?) Were the imprisoned for life? Did the jedi kiled them?(probably not, it would not be the jedi way) Did they try to redeem them? Does anybody know? Thanks Hominid 20:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Reborn and the "stormtrooper effect"/"inverse ninja law" Edit

I have actually fouund this "law" to be true in real life! when someone is "jumped" and they have strong resistance, notice the attackers lose their edge and become confused, getting in each others way and experiencing a sort've mass cowardice/hesitation thing..not to mention that some of them are just joining in and have no real quarrel with the victim..they quiclkly lose interest in the fight when the victim has beaten one or two of their compatriots too badly! one good example of this phenomenon is in the TARTAN Extreme Asian movie "OLD BOY" in that scene a self taught martial artists defeats a small army of hired goon attackers mainly because they cannot all attack him at once and they are surprised and alarmed by his ferocous counter attacks.

Inverse Ninja Law section Edit

I think this part of the behind the scenes works and is relevant, but it is horribly wordy and long-winded. I'm cutting it down to include only how the "law" applies to Reborn. -Graal 04:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

New RebornEdit

Do we really need a New Reborn section in this article that is as long as, if not longer, than their main article? One of the two should be deleted.DarthMRN 03:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Shortened it down a bit. KEJ 09:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

RanksEdit

What are the sources for these ranks? I doubt spawn codes count as canon.DarthMRN 03:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that's the only source, and I agree with you. -BaronGrackle 01:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I have played through Jedi Knight II and III several times, I think the ranks section is a mix of reborn and new reborn. Please fix, I know that all the reborn in II had lightsabers, so no 'unarmed' 'force users', that was III. 65.27.139.162 10:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I have played through the game several times and think the descriptions are pretty accurate; except for the force users as the only powers I’ve seen them use are push and pull. Also I don’t think any Reborn masters appeared. Jakethejedi

Inverse ninja law edit Edit

Change "The first" (reborn) to "The first several." As some might argue that the first reborn was only at that difficulty level because of the difficulty of not accidentaly killing yourself in the pit.SargeLIVES 00:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Reborn Warrior from JO and Dark Jedi from KOTOR Edit

Since these two games were released I've been asking myself, why do these two groups of enemies look some much alike? Frankly speaking I was hoping, that SW Wikia would provide some explanation, but there is none. Any guesses?

Perhaps Desann was very fond of old history, learnt much about the Jedi Civil War, about the customs and traditions of those times? It's possible, that just like the Jedi, the Dark Jedi had a customary robe of their own style, that was later used as a basis for the clothes of the Reborn... Neterwan 19:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

sithspawn? Edit

would the reborn count as sithspawn? Although they were not created by the sith, they are the result of the sith (read their history and creation, without the sith they couldnt exist) and other force-changed beings not associated with the sith are sometimes called sithspawn? ralok (talk) 05:25, August 19, 2012 (UTC)