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I had to give this article a major work-over; in addition to adding some entires, I had to remove a lot of the stuff that was already here. Most of them weren't retcons, but merely expanded information that didn't conflict with anything already known. I also don't know if I got the details for the Death Star entry right, but I did what I think is correct. Kuralyov 16:58, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I hope that future contributors keep in mind to seperate fan retcons from official retcons. --SparqMan 02:59, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It was established in the EU that Raith Sienar gave Tarkin the designs for the Death Star, and that Bevel Lemelisk developed the Superlaser; after Episode II revealed that the Geonosians gave the plans to Tyranus/Sidious, it was retconned that the Geonosians developed the details based on outlines given to them by Sienar Lemelisk.

The name in bold is clearly a mistake. Anyone knows if the writer intended to write Bevel Lemelisk or Raith Sienar? 62.74.3.220 20:39, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • Maybe he was their birthchild. :P -- Riffsyphon1024 20:44, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)


The identical R-22 Spearhead was then 'invented' as a predecessor of the A-wing, in order to explain the appearance of such ships in the Droids era. Where was this information taken from. Lucas wouldn't spend a minute trying to tie the cartoons together with the movies.Lt santa anna 12:56, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • I'm pretty sure it was either one of the Inside the Worlds or Incredible Cross Sections books, but I can't remember which one at the moment (and I don't own them all yet so I can't go check). The general idea was to rationalize the appearance of the A-Wing before its official deployment date. (Which, you're right, GL wouldn't give a damn about.) In addition to being in the Droids cartoon, the A-Wing is all over games like X-Wing and Rebel Assault before it's supposed to be generally available, so now we can say those were R-22's (or perhaps prototype RZ-1s), which were unofficially called "A-Wings." When they deployed the actual RZ-1 interceptor, they called it A-wing officially to fit the existing system of letter designations. —Darth Culator 14:13, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is a retcon, but in episode VI, Leia definitely says that she remembers her mother and in episode III her mom dies before Leia could have possibly remembered her mom. Short of some really lame excuses involving a force enhanced memory, i haven't heard anything that explains this. Is this Lucas just doing a poor job? Lt santa anna 13:02, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • It's not retcon, it's called inconsistency. :) - Sikon 13:18, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Not an inconsistency. Just a lie. Women do that. Anyway...... Should we create retcon category? Lonnyd 13:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
      • A third possibility is that she was refering to her adpoted mother on Alderaan. The books seem to suggest she was raised by her aunts, so it is possible she had an adpoted mother who died when she was young. (209.183.187.81 21:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC))


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[edit] Group != Squadron

The following Retcon entry was removed:

In the movies, Red Squadron appears twice, in Episode IV and Episode VI. According to the Expanded Universe, the Squadron was dissolved sometime in between and replaced by Rogue Squadron. The reappearance is explained by that Wedge Antilles renamed briefly the Rogues as Red Squadron, to honor the memory of the heroes of the Battle of Yavin.

The reason for its removal is based on how it is phrased. If the statement is basing it on the movies, then the statement itself is incorrect. Episode VI refers to Red Group, which constitutes several squadrons' worth of fighters, not a single squadron. All throughout the battle sequence, the term squadron is never used.

In addition, the use of colors (Red, Gold, Blue, Gray, Green) is supposed to be a battle-com terminology, and not the formal name of a squadron. Each fighter-supporting ship in the fleet, each installation, each base, etc. that has multiple fighters will delineate different flights, or squadrons, by colors, to make communication & tracking more effective. Hence the terms "Red Flight, Blue Flight, Green Squadron, Gold Squadron". The actual, formal designation (or name) of the squadron would be something like 243rd Pursuit Squadron, or 99th Tactical Squadron (I'm saying this as an example, since the naming of squadrons in Alliance/Republic service is inconsistent). The use of the terms "Rogue Squadron" or "Twin Suns Squadron" is appropriate, considering these squadrons' roles as crack, uber-elite, irregular squadrons that rove about from location to location. What you will find, though, is that there are "Red Squadrons" just about everywhere, because it's not a formal designation, merely a communications term. -- Hawke / Rtufo 16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leia's mother?

It says "The only logical explanation Leia's statement is that she is thinking of her adoptive parents Breha and Bail Organa.".

Yet in the film luke says "what do you remember of your mother, your real mother" and leia says "she died when i was very young", so she cant have been talking about here adopted parents, unless Breha died when leia was young and bail remarrid (which is highly unlikely)so .. ? Alexsau1991 23:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Did she actually know at that time that she was adopted? So she may well have thought that Breha Organa WAS her "real" mother. Or another possibility is that the "memory" she has is simply a construct of her imagination rather than a real tangible memory. 65.37.15.60 23:20, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Karen Traviss

Is it worth noting that Karen Traviss does this *a lot* under an examples section? Xanofar 01:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I think we ought to include her quote "Because we bloody say so, that's why." 129.107.81.12 00:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Expand

Needs huge amount of updating. —Lucius malfoy7 Talk • Reference 21:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

  • What about all of the retcons related to the EU's depiction of the Jedi Order before the PT? 67.162.175.159 08:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stormtroopers

In the retcon section on Stormtrooper it states that their was no mention of them being clones prior to the prequel movies. However in the 1977/78 Star Wars Official Poster Magazine an article by Anthony Fredrickson titled "Soldiers of the Empire" refers to Imperial Stormtoopers as clones 24yrs before the release of Attack of the Clones.

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