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Insurection seems like a loaded term in my opinion. Would Second Corellian Crisis be a more neutral term? -- SFH 22:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I second that. Crisis would be better Stinkywookie 18:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah. I'm actually glad they're almost making the Galactic Alliance bad guys, or at least controversial. I hated their name. I hope in the end, after this, after the Legacy stuff, they stick with the name (and form of Government) "Republic". -Aiddat 21:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Naming

Shouldn't this be listed as a conjectural name, since, to the best of my knowledge, the authors have never referred to the war as the Second Corellian Crisis? 64.12.116.9 16:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally like the GA government. That asside everything from Op. Roundabout to the end of the Correllian Blockade should be named the Corellian Crisis. However the Battle of Hapes and the majority of events in Tempest should be considered a seperate catagory of the Hapes Civil War. Further more the Battle of Gilatter VII and everything after that should be put in the catagory of a galactic civil war. In Inferno "The galaxy has esploded into all-civil war..." this means that Gilatter VII and the events of Sacfrice will be the catalyst for the eventual civil war. Apotheoses Jedi 01:28, 2 April 2007


If I can remember correctly, it is mentioned in number 9, Invincible, Troy Denning declares that it is a Second Galactic Civil War.

[edit] Layout

It seemed to me, when I read through, that the section "Operation Roundabout" seemed rushed and kind of sloppy. Could we put it into a seperate article like everything else so it could be given a more detailed look there? As it is, I was either confused or overloaded with information. --OompaLoompa of DOOM 02:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date

How do we know it ends around 42 ABY? Chack Jadson 21:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Confederation-Galactic Alliance War" source?

I'm assuming this is from Exile, but does it actually call it that, or just the "Corellia-GA war"? If the latter, we need to put a conjecture tag back on here. Kuralyov 04:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

  • It's called the "Corellia-GA war". Abbreviation or not, I'd say it's more encyclopedic as the source names it. - Lord Hydronium 19:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Why was the name changed from an official one to a conjectural one? Also, isn't this a bit absurd, since GA is short for Galactic Alliance? VT-16 13:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for the quotes

I have add sources for almost all the quotes in this page, although I'm not sure about the first one by Luke. I am sure I read it before, but I'm not sure which book it come from. I think the source could be either Bloodlines or Tempest, but I could be wrong. 219.95.56.172 05:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Galactic Civil War

In Inferno novel's synopsis it says "the galaxy has exploded in all-out civil war." Srini 06:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

  • So, that doesn't mean that the conflict was called the "Second Galactic Civil War". Jasca Ducato Sith Council 09:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
    • The Clone Wars were a civil war as well, but that was never named such. -- I need a name (Complain here) 15:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Jedi Order

Perhaps we should make the Jedi have a side all of their own in the infobox? 220.239.55.193 10:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

  • The Jedi Order MUST have their own side. I am suprised so many people keep thinking that the Jedi join the Confederation. Far from it. They merely stop actively supporting the GA because of Darth Caedus. The NJO should be showed as a neutral third party. AdmiralNick22 16:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hapes Consortium

Hapes should be put in the same infobox section as the New Jedi Order. They're in all this together (Reminds me of a song I know).--The All-knowing Sith'ari 14:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Image

Should the image of Luke and Lumiya's final duel really be the main image. This wasn't a battle of the Confederation-Galactic Alliance War, this was Luke's personal vendetta against Lumiya. I suggest putting the image of Caedus with the starfighters in the background.--Jedi Kasra 22:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree. I always thought the picture of Caedus with the starfighters fit better. If no one objects, I say go ahead and change it. Tarvin Calaan 02:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The main image should be Jaina vs Caedus because that will most likely be the end of the war and it looks better then just having Caedus' head there.--Darth Revanon 1:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't think the image of Jaina dueling Caedus should be used as the main pic because that's like using the Luke/Vader duel as the main pic for the Galactic Civil War or the Vader/Kenobi duel as the main pic for the clone Wars. Though those duels are important (as the duel between Caedus and Jaina undoubtably will be), it doesn't portray the war itself. The current image of Caedus at least shows a battle going on in the backround. So Darth Revanon, please mention any changes ur gonna make to the main image here to see if anyone objects before u change it. Tarvin Calaan 17:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Splitting of the Alliance

Umm yeah source? Im taking it off since we don't have one yet.

  • There is a source. Its stated in either Gilad Pellaeons spoiler or Tahiri Veilas. So maybe we should put it back, but that isnt the very first thing thats gonna happen in Revelation because there is the Battle of Fondor and the Battle of Roche. so maybe the splitting of the alliance would go somewhere in the middle. and who knows wat other events, if any, are likely to emerge.Darth Revanon 03:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Should the Imperial Remnant be seperately mentioned in the infobox as combatants? Because the Remnant is part of the Galactic Alliance, I think it's unneccesary to put the Alliance and the Remnant in there seperately. Tarvin Calaan 18:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Talking of such things, shouldn't we have "Imperial Remnant (Daala's faction)" in the Resistance to Jacen Solo box?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 13:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I dont think so cause she only commanded the maw fleet and the imperials sided with Caedus Steves490 23:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
    • But what I'm saying is since the Remnant is part of the Galactic Alliance to start with, do we need to put them in there seperately. If they get put in seperately, wouldn't that mean we have to put every member of the Galactic Alliance in there seperatly. When u say Galactic Alliance, the fact that the Remnant was on that side as well should be implied. Tarvin Calaan 22:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jedi Coalition

  • I think that the Resistance to Jacen should be renamed Jedi Coalition and given their own article. This is a name given to them in Invincible and I think its official enough. Does anybody agree? Steves490 18:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
    • As far as the name goes, if that's what the book says than I say go with it. But no matter what it's called, I think an article for the resistance to jacen needs to be made. It has to big a role at this point to still not have it's own article. So yes, I agree with with you. Tarvin Calaan 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Yea, we should make an article. But Who changed the picture?? The picture that I think needs to be here is the one with Jaina fighting Caedus.--Darth Revanon 4:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I updated this page with the Jedi Coalition name and left an unstarted article link for the side that we should fill in and "WOOKIFY" ASAP. Steves490 20:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • YES!! actually between the two of us we already did but change the name everywhere its the resistance. btw who changed the pic? Steves490 21:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Yea i think that all the places that said Resistance to Jacen Solo have been changed. Now who is going to actually create the article?? And as for who changed the image, look above at the part thats Main Image.--Darth Revanon 5:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Starting the new article sounds fun and all but I personally would rather help beef up the article once its got the core of the whole article in place. Right now I am waaaay to hungry to do it but since we put the empty link in all the battles they were in I'm sure sombody will get to it. If nobody does I'll do it later when I'm not so sleepy and can think. Steves490 21:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Yea thats true. Hopefully it can be done soon though lol.--Darth Revanon 9:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Everybody editing LOTF articles, i am writing the basic core foundations of the Coalition article and it should be finsihed by late tonight. After that all your help will be appreciated Steves490 03:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First Battle of Fondor

I think that the only possible event that could be considered the first battle of Fondor in this war is the confrontation between the Anakin Solo and the fondorian fighters early in Revelation. does anybody object to this? If not I will start an article. Steves490 21:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Well do you have any ideas? I dont recall any other fondor battle/skirmish of any kind mentioned in the series. Steves490 21:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • It turns out that the First Battle of Fondor (Yuuzhan Vong War) is what the first battle of Fondor is according to Karen herself. So now the question is should the article about the battle from the Confederation-Ga war which is currently called Second Battle of Fondor have the "second" taken away from the name since there was no other full scale battle at fondor in the war or should it remain as it is. Steves490 23:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
    • It should stay at the canon name, Second Battle. - Lord Hydronium 23:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Exactly. The novel gave this battle that name, so it should stay at Second Battle. Greyman Jan.png (Talk) 23:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Then if it is gonna be called Second Battle of Fondor, we need to change that in the little box were u can click on the location and u go to the article of that battle. and we should add the Duel on Hesperidium in that box as well.--Darth Revanon 11:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Gyndine

Does anyone think we should make a page for the Confederation attack on Gyndine which took place during Exile? If I remember correctly, it wasn't a major engagement, but it isn't mentioned anywhere in the article and I think it should, as well as have its own page. Tarvin Calaan 21:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Yea that sounds like a good idea. And also, now that were talking about battles/duels shouldnt we do an article with the duel bwtween Lumiya, Alema Rar, and Tresina Lobi on Coruscant?--Darth Revanon 5:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Ok, thats been done. If you guys want to do your Battle of Gyndine, than go ahead.--Darth Revanon 11:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Second Galactic Civil War?

I just finished reading the end of Invincible, where a character actually refers to this war as the Galactic Civil War - not the war of Rebellion vs. Empire, but this one, the war of GA vs. Confederation. Could we then say that possibly, this conflict will actually be referred to in canon sources as the Second Galactic Civil War? It certainly seems apropos, and it is far less unwieldy than the one we have now. Others will have to get the book and confirm this for themselves, but I wanted to make sure this was aired as a possibility. Please discuss. Erik Pflueger File:Republican Emblem.png 17:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I think that we should wait until Invincible is released and everyone has it to discuss changing the name. Also, if u dont mind, since you have read Invincible, can you type up the Outcome on the article please??--Darth Revanon 1:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I absolutely agree that we should wait until more people have the book in hand before any decision is made. I wanted to get the question in the air so that others would be aware of it in reading. And regrettably, I did not absorb enough to be able to type up the "Outcome" in a manner that would in any way be satisfactory to you. I was there just to examine the elevation of a certain admiral to a certain new office. But I caught the name by accident, and thought it deserved mention. Besides, as I say, the current name is far too unwieldy for my tastes, and it sounds dead when spoken aloud. Perhaps this will work better. Poetically, I like the notion. Erik Pflueger File:Republican Emblem.png 18:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I finished the book last night and thought the same thing, i saw it in page 3 following a series of threats and overtures from all sides of the Galactic Civil War. Its possible thats its the second GCW but it could also be reffering to it as ONE of the many GCWs in the STAR WARS series. I prefer Second Galactic Civil War to the current name though Steves490 21:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Having just come here to mention this myself I would also agree with the move. Come Invincible I feel it makes more sense since by then we have the Jedi Coalition, Remnant, Mandalorians and Daala's Irregulars (just to name the ones I can think of) all fighting so it grows beyond just involving the Confederation and GA anyway. --Xanos 21:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to get a bot to start changing instances of Confederation-Galactic Alliance War into Second Galactic Civil War and moving articles then? Arsonal 06:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

I just visited the article for the first time in a few days and noticed that the userbox is 1/4 the size of the whole article. I get the separation of the battles cause it was a bit overwhelming before, but what about the combatants? I would change it but i'm not sure if this is the way everybody wants it now. Even if this is acceptable some of it is wrong anyway Steves490 05:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major Battles

Does anyone else think we should cut down on the number of battles under major battles in the infobox? It has every battle in the war and i don't think we can consider EVERY battle a major battle. This would be like listing every battle in the clone wars in the infobox in that article. I think we should pick the biggest ones and get rid of the rest. Tarvin Calaan 23:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Yea i noticed the box was getting a bit big a little bit ago. But i agree that some of the skirmishes/small duels can go. Steves490 01:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Ya. Does anyone have any suggestions as to which ones should go and which should stay? Because i haven't read into the series enough to have a well supported opinion. Tarvin Calaan 01:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll get it. Steves490 20:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Just so everybody understands, I know that the two duels on the anakin solo were major, but they were part of the battles of Kashyyyk and Shedu Maad so to keep the article condensed I just left the battles there Steves490 21:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • It looks much better. Thanks. Tarvin Calaan 22:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] End of the Second GCW in 41?!

Okay, I'm a little bit confused. Why are you claming the end of the Second Galactic Civil War to be set in 41 ABY? I'd read the whole Legacy of the Force series and can't understand why this date. Can anyone explain it to me? I'm also author in the German Jedipedia an we are concerned in the fact that the whole conflict was setted in 40 ABY. So what?--Daritha 21:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Sue Rostoni confirmed this over on the Official site forums. Heres the below link Daritha

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=7260

[edit] Alliance-Confederation War

  • pg. 77 of Millennium Falcon (novel) names the war the Alliance-Confederation War, should this be discarded like the Corellia-Ga War name given early in the LOTF series, or used publicy? Steves490 00:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two Wars?

  • Personally I think that there are too seperate wars here, as once the Blockade of Corellia is broken it takes on a new direction. Anything before that is more of an insurrection then a war, I think it needs a serious discussion.

[edit] Renaming proposal

It appears that The Essential Atlas names this conflict as the New Galactic Civil War. Page scan of the conflict map can be found on the Del Rey blog. Perhaps someone with a Comic Con copy of the book can verify this. I'll be getting my copy sometime next week. Arsonal 21:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

  • In Omen Luke identifies it as the Second Galactic Civil War, which source has more authority? Steves490 02:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I say Omen. Its called the Second Galactic Civil War in Outcast too.--Darth Revanon 23:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
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