Talk:Senator
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Would it be a better idea to make this article in a table format, seeing how many senators we have now. The categories can be: Name, Planet/Sector Represented, Term, Notes. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm confused, but wouldn't giving all those characters a category make a page like this easier to execute? --SparqMan 03:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No different from the many lists of things we have now. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Which require tedious manual updates. --SparqMan 15:52, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No different from the many lists of things we have now. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm confused, but wouldn't giving all those characters a category make a page like this easier to execute? --SparqMan 03:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I think you're confused on this Sparq. I didn't mean a real category, I meant a section of a table, and that would make it easier to read. Now it makes sense, doesn't it. Sorry to do that. -- Riffsyphon1024 14:34, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Disambig
This should cover the general concepts of Senates in Star Wars, with links to the senates. On a side note, Wikipedia redirectos "senator" to "senate". Not that we have to or necessarily should, just as a note of interest. --SparqMan 08:29, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps this article should be List of senators and Senator can redirect either to List of senators or to an article about senates in Star Wars, or perhaps to a disambig. – Aidje talk 14:29, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Weird
"Diath Sidrona (Senator of Tatooine and Arkanis Sector, c. 4,000 BBY: elected as Supreme Chancellor)"
I know Sidrona was a Jedi, but this is the first I've heard of him being Senator or Supreme Chancellor. Anyone able to shed light on this? 59.167.60.69 06:47, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- CUSWE seems to support it. MarcK 06:53, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Interesting. Well, that's something to point out next time someone says Leia can't be a Jedi because you "can't be a Jedi and a politican at the same time". QuentinGeorge 06:56, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Concering Sidrona: he led the Senate in the TOTJ comics. He was never called Supreme Chancellor per se, since that title was not yet known to the EU, being a creation of TPM, but his position was clearly that called SC in the prequels, and other EU (such as Coruscant and the Core Worlds) has confirmed that the title does predate the TOTJ events, so it would be his title. We also know from TPM, NEGC, and other sources, that Supreme Chancellors are chosen from amongst Republic Senators/Representatives, so assumedly Sidrona was Senator from Tatooine in Arkanis Sector, his homeworld. We should note that the Jedi of TOTJ and prior to that often held "secondary jobs" such as politician, scientist, etc., but this was not possible under the stricter Jedi Code post-Ruusan (ie, Rancisis was not allowed to be Blood Monarch of Thisspias, Dooku had to leave the Order to resume the title Count of Serenno, etc.). The New Jedi Order seems to leave some room for secondary jobs (Jaina, Keyan, Kyle, Kenth, Corran, and even Luke himself all having served in the military), but by Dark Nest, most of them seem to have given these up and be more focused on being just Jedi.JustinGann 00:23, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, Leia's conflict was that she couldn't take the time to train because she was so busy with the whole New Republic thing. By the way, Jedi were often quite skilled in politics, although they used it more for negotiating than for running for Senate. – Aidje talk 14:33, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Oh, I agree with you. The Jedi Council is, after all, by definition a political organisation. QuentinGeorge 02:42, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Interesting. Well, that's something to point out next time someone says Leia can't be a Jedi because you "can't be a Jedi and a politican at the same time". QuentinGeorge 06:56, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Separate Senator Sections?
I believe that we should have each senator under subsections such as "Galactic Republic Senate", "Imperial Senate", and so on. That way, it would be easier to sort all of them out. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:34, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- That would be nice, but it is unclear who remained in the Senate after the transition to the Empire. We know of a few, but not all. The new "Bridge" EU material might help fill in those gaps. --SparqMan 14:17, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Well, even if some senators served in the Galactic Republic and Imperial Senates, their names would be on both lists. It would be a lot more organized though. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:18, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- It would be a bit redundant, since many of the ROTS Senators would be on both the Galactic Senate and Imperial Senate list. Besides, the Galactic Senate and Imperial Senate are really just a continuous body, the name changed for politicla reasons...after all, when the IMPERIAL Senate was disbanded, Tarkin said the last remnant of the Old Republic had been swept away. And most known Imperial Senators were already Senators before ROTS, as their EU backstories have them opposing the creation of the New Order or something like that. And some EU Senators, it is unclear whether they were in the Senate before ROTS or between ROTS and ANH. Similarly, the few known Galactic Alliance Senators all formerly served in the New Republic. The two current categories (Republic/Imperial and New Republic/Alliance) are about as specific as is currently practical.JustinGann 18:24, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- As said above - for all intents and purposes the Galactic and Imperial Senates are the same body - it's members continued serving despite the fact that Palpatine became Emperor. The New Republic, on the other hand, is an entirely new body - not built on the previous government, and so is separate. QuentinGeorge 02:44, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I just thought of that idea since there were some senators with the dates of "0 BBY" as their term that shows that they weren't in the original Galactic Senate. I thought it would be easier to tell when some of the senators served and it what senate. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:47, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the dates are only CONFIRMED dates, some Senators with 0 BBY are known to have served at the time the Senate was disbanded, but MAY have served as far back as ROTS, as did Garm Bel Iblis, so any such division would be artificial. The Imperial Senate IS the Galactic Senate, simply renamed.
- Oh. Well, thanks for clearing that up for me. Now I understand it much better. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:17, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the dates are only CONFIRMED dates, some Senators with 0 BBY are known to have served at the time the Senate was disbanded, but MAY have served as far back as ROTS, as did Garm Bel Iblis, so any such division would be artificial. The Imperial Senate IS the Galactic Senate, simply renamed.
- Well, I just thought of that idea since there were some senators with the dates of "0 BBY" as their term that shows that they weren't in the original Galactic Senate. I thought it would be easier to tell when some of the senators served and it what senate. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:47, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- As said above - for all intents and purposes the Galactic and Imperial Senates are the same body - it's members continued serving despite the fact that Palpatine became Emperor. The New Republic, on the other hand, is an entirely new body - not built on the previous government, and so is separate. QuentinGeorge 02:44, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- It would be a bit redundant, since many of the ROTS Senators would be on both the Galactic Senate and Imperial Senate list. Besides, the Galactic Senate and Imperial Senate are really just a continuous body, the name changed for politicla reasons...after all, when the IMPERIAL Senate was disbanded, Tarkin said the last remnant of the Old Republic had been swept away. And most known Imperial Senators were already Senators before ROTS, as their EU backstories have them opposing the creation of the New Order or something like that. And some EU Senators, it is unclear whether they were in the Senate before ROTS or between ROTS and ANH. Similarly, the few known Galactic Alliance Senators all formerly served in the New Republic. The two current categories (Republic/Imperial and New Republic/Alliance) are about as specific as is currently practical.JustinGann 18:24, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- There are two Doman Beruss'es: one from Illodia, one from Corellia. One is like nephew of the other, they are NOT the same character; one is male, one female; so please don't change the New Republic section Beruss to "later Senator of Illodia," b/c that is incorrect.JustinGann 09:40, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Table
- I like the new format! QuentinGeorge 06:36, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Me too! Can someone teach me how to make it?JustinGann 23:53, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Yea I figured it was time to fix it. Justin, I simply copied the code from the Improvement drive page. It's a bugger to remember these codes by hand unless you have them down. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:00, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- I should add that I don't know how to remove the last column (5th), which is redundant now) and I've tryed everything. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:03, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Yea I figured it was time to fix it. Justin, I simply copied the code from the Improvement drive page. It's a bugger to remember these codes by hand unless you have them down. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:00, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Me too! Can someone teach me how to make it?JustinGann 23:53, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Last name first
When this list is being remade under the new table, is it necessary to keep the last-name-first format? It's confusing now, and it'd still be alphabetical, and all other lists keep first names first...Kuralyov 23:56, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with the current format. Just wait until its finished and look at it then. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:00, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if we can't get rid of the 5th column, let's use it! Species and gender, like a dramatis personae!
- It might work, however thats squeezing an awfully lot of info in there. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:49, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if we can't get rid of the 5th column, let's use it! Species and gender, like a dramatis personae!
[edit] All done!
Thx all that helped! There, doesn't that look pretty? Template:Wipes tearJustinGann 02:22, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Either you're very devoted or you just have too much time, but your work is still appreciated. Good job. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:04, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Vurk vs. Ongree
OK, folks, lets keep Concorkill correctly Senator of Skustell Cluster as I had him. Somebody changed him to Senator of Sembla! Shame on you! Skustell Cluster is home to Concorkill's species, the Ongree, to which Pablo-Jill and Coelman Kcaj belong as well. Sembla is home to the Vurk, the species of Coleman Trebor. Methinks somebody confused Coleman Kcaj and Coleman Trebor, which is understandable. I really HATE those character names;)JustinGann 05:54, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- [blushing]]OK, I just got the new Insider explaining the whole Sweit thing. Apologies all around!JustinGann 02:42, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Redlinks
I just added a ton (albeit short) entries for many Senators. For the majority of them, there are no sources. Hollis 01:18, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Hollis: Thanks for getting stubs on them at least, but a few things to be advised of:
1) you could check CUSWE to get sources and some basic info; this would prevent you from making some basic mistakes in these stubs (such as the wrong gender, or saying Navi was arrested 19 BBY by the Empire) 2) when the dates say c. 19 BBY - 0 BBY, etc., you often put in your entries "so and so served as Senator from 19 BBY to 0 BBY", etc. This is incorrect. When the dates on the table are meant to convey dates of exact service, there is no "c. "--your are giving the false impression these Senators were elected 19 BBY. The "c. " dates are simply dates they were confirmed in office. Many Senators follow the "c. 19 BBY - 0 BBY" pattern b/c we know they were originally Senators of the Old Republic but also of the Empire, indicating they were in office at the 1st Empire Day 19 BBY, and also in office at the Senate's effective dissolution 0 BBY. They may well have been in office for YEARS prior to 19 BBY. There are similar mistakes you have made.JustinGann 12:01, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Caamasi in NR
according to NJO SB, Elegos appointed to Senate only after Gavrisom/Pellaeon treaty; also, apparently the Caamasi fully resettled the planet Caamas after HoT, as NJO sourcebook indicates Elegos represented the planet Caamas (not Kerilt, not Susevfi) in NR Senate.JustinGann 08:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Old Republic Love
So why isn't there any Old Republic love? They had senators too and we should try to compile them, don't you think? Mrobviousjosh 21:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- They're there, buddy. Galactic Republic = Old Republic
